jetjock said:
Spoken like a true Southerner. A Floridian no less, a state run by Dubya's brother. I wish I'd noticed that earlier so I could've save my breath. Had your state it's shit together in 2000 we'd not even be in this mess. And this flag wavin' "USA Number One" thing (typical of folks down there) you've got going on makes you about as blind as they come.
Nice dig. Could you show your ass any more than that?
jetjock said:
If you had the education I was referring to you'd have understood I didn't mean any degree you obatined from a university. And you confirmed that by working so much to live the way you do you *are* living in your own little world and haven't a clue about what goes on in the real one. As I said, uneducated. I'll bet you don't have a passport and if you do I could count on one hand the number of times you've been outside our border other than military service.
I'm not a world traveler in the civilian sector, big deal. I have been to Panama, Ireland & several arab nations on the goverments tab, but I don't understand the passport deal. Sorry
jetjock said:
You also seem to put a great deal of faith in the government's ability to do the right thing for the country instead of looking after itself, hence your "if Bush had done anything wrong he'd have been called on it by now". How clueless is that? Bush is bad enough but the real problem is the government in general. It's been out of control for a long time and all it needed was someone like W to come along and push it over the edge while manipulating many of those in it.
Who exactly did Saddam use his WMDs on? His own people sure, but not us.
LOL, that is rich.
"arrogant, ignorant, cloistered sorts who possess neither care nor knowledge of what goes on outside their own little world."
jetjock said:
The other countries mentioned already have or are developing nuclear capabilities and pose a far greater threat but you don't see us invading. Instead we're just pissing them off by blustering. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs. Bush knew it from day one and now so does everyone else.
Everyone? Are you sure you want to say everyone?
jetjock said:
And many of the weapons Saddam did have he got from us, or have you forgotten we were pals for years?
We were also pals with the USSR during WWII, so what's your point?
jetjock said:
Same with Osama back when the Russians were in Afghanistan.
LOL, see above
jetjock said:
In fact Osama's hatred of us is directly linked to how we abandoned the country back in those days.
Yeah, Saddam had WMDs...but not as many as we do. He did have the chemical and biological ones most of the world has banned but we still have them because W has backed out of or refused to sign the treaties. If Saddam has weapons we must stop him....with our weapons. Makes perfect sense.
LOL, and we used them when? Oh, that's right, against Japan.....over fifty years ago.
jetjock said:
Less attacks? You must be joking.
No, I'm not. Am I wrong, did I miss an attack?
jetjock said:
It took years to plan and execute 9-11 and the clock is ticking. Nothing has changed except there are more people ready, even eager, to participate in the next one. If you think the country is safer than it was you've got your head deeply buried in the sand. Not that any terrorist would "waste" an attack on Florida or that terror attacks are the real point anyway.
Do you have something against us dumb as red necks? It must be that we stopped your boy from getting elected. Pity.
jetjock said:
How how we helped the Iraqi people exactly? Their country is about to dissolve into civil war. Not to mention we had no right to invade another sovereign nation based on lies and without just cause in the first place.
There is where you are wrong. We have every right to as per the sixty some odd UN resolutions that Saddm willfully broke.
jetjock said:
Or you you still clinging to a 9-11 connection? And there is a lot more oppression in the world than Saddam was ever guilty of. Maybe you hadn't heard of what happened in Rawanda 10 years ago when we sat back and did nothing while a million people were slaughtered. Or what's happening in North Korea today.
I guess that you haven't heard of Kosovo & Somolia, either
jetjock said:
Then there are the Saudis, one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet. But they've got all that oil you need for your SUV and A/C so it's OK we look the other way. That said, the US has no business being the world's policeman anyway, especially when it has so many domestic problems of it's own.
I can't disagree with that
jetjock said:
Iraqi democracy? A pipe dream. Fundamentalist religious beliefs and democracy are incompatible with each other.
The fundamental problem with the Iraqis (and other arab nations vs democracy) is they place religion before goverment.
jetjock said:
Just look at the problem sit causes at home. Iraq is bad enough but you've still chosen to ignore Bush's other crimes
Again, list the *crimes*, please. Can't do it, can you?
jetjock said:
. What human rights violations? Good grief, have you been living in cave? Try holding innocent people (including US citizens)
Any links to the US citizen claims?
jetjock said:
snatched off the street in secret foreign prisons without due process. Try tourture in the prisons we do know about.
LOL, the Abu Graib instance. If I recall correctly, the ones that tortured the detainies were sentenced to several years in prison, but let me guess, Bush was behind it, right?
jetjock said:
The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves. Bush has already been indicted by the International Court of Justice for war crimes. Course, the US bailed out of the World Court before that happened. How convienent.
LOL, the white phoporus / targeting civilians arguement. LOL again
jetjock said:
You civil rights haven't changed since the Carter Administration?!? Ever hear of The Patriot Act? Ever bother to *read* it?
Wire taps I presume? Please fall into the trap....
jetjock said:
As I said, it won't be guys like me that'll either have to live with the mess or pay the enormous cost in dollars since I've already bought my retirement home abroad. Love it or leave it? Watch me.
OK, I'll watch??
jetjock said:
I'd rather lie on a beach in a safe country with enlightened people than live in one that is well on it's way to a decline, something that eventually happens to all great civilizations. We're on our way to being a first rate third rate nation, a mere shadow of our great past, and it's people who think like you that are making it happen.
Ah well, we're never going to agree on this anyway so why bother. The bottom line is if what W is doing will work. Will it make the country safer while safeguarding it's principles? Will it make the US a place the world admires and strives to emulate? The answer is clear to those with perspective beyond where their next paycheck or gallon of gas is coming from or what brand of beer should be bought for the Super Bowl.
Again, nice dig. But I expect nothing less from someone that is still sore that Kerry lost. Say it with me,
President Bush. Don't worry, you'll get accustom to it over the next 2 years.