Hp range, need numbers and thoughts about it.

gsxr141

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at what point does a mhg become necessary? i'm shooting for 400whp with my budget setup. i'm worried about having the head done to get a perfect surface for a mhg.
can a stock hg with arp studs handle that?
 

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gsxr141;1808992 said:
at what point does a mhg become necessary? i'm shooting for 400whp with my budget setup. i'm worried about having the head done to get a perfect surface for a mhg.
can a stock hg with arp studs handle that?

Yes it can. I would still mill the head and get a valve job though.
 

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Turbo Habanero;1808994 said:
I know I just figured it wouldn't be that big of a difference.
Upgraded turbos are a whole different thing. Even 57trim upgrades push your upper limit into 400+ territory.

However, when it comes to the stock turbo, the mod path and power gains have been well documented for nearly two decades.
 

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gsxr141;1808992 said:
at what point does a mhg become necessary? i'm shooting for 400whp with my budget setup. i'm worried about having the head done to get a perfect surface for a mhg.
can a stock hg with arp studs handle that?

For a mhg, you need to machine the head AND the block.

For just oem hg, you should still mill the head.

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GrimJack;1809003 said:
Upgraded turbos are a whole different thing. Even 57trim upgrades push your upper limit into 400+ territory.

However, when it comes to the stock turbo, the mod path and power gains have been well documented for nearly two decades.
I think we are on two different pages here..

He is running a 57trim @ 15 psi I was thinking he would be making more then you quoted to the wheels Grim.

I also said that I didn't think the 57trim would make that much less then the 60-1
 

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57 trim flows 40lbs/min
60 trim flows 46lbs/min
60-1 flows 56lbs/min
58 trim Billet wheel (which is actually closer to a 60trim wheel) Flows 58+lbs/min
 

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thanks... i have a freshly rebuilt shortblock. i'm just trying to save some time by not having to get any head work done. at this point, i'll probably have the head gone through. this way, i can use a mhg.
 

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gsxr141;1809060 said:
thanks... i have a freshly rebuilt shortblock. i'm just trying to save some time by not having to get any head work done. at this point, i'll probably have the head gone through. this way, i can use a mhg.

yeah i would recommend just doing the MHG then
 

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Turbo Habanero;1809018 said:
I think we are on two different pages here..

He is running a 57trim @ 15 psi I was thinking he would be making more then you quoted to the wheels Grim.

I also said that I didn't think the 57trim would make that much less then the 60-1
Aha! I missed the 57 trim in his initial specs. Yes, that will increase his possible top end. There is still a world of difference between trims, as your next post illustrates.
 

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gsxr141;1808992 said:
at what point does a mhg become necessary?

The point at which you encounter detonation, even if slight. Both head and block must meet standards for the stock headgasket. The block still has to be flat. Which it usually will be, as it is a very hard cast iron.
 

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not to hijack the thread, but i'm in a similar boat.
i'm looking for between 400 and 500hp.
i have fresh rebuilt lower end with stock rods and pistons, and new toyota bearings and rings. i want to use an upgraded ct26 from albert, lex afm,560's. i already have a bicddp, and full 3' exh. i'll either go with an afc or standalone.
my question is about the head. ..... i can get a set of new bc stage 3 cams for a good price, but will they work with my setup?
i know if i get them, i'll have to at least get bc springs and retainers, and possibly go with .5 oversize valves.
basically, if the cams are overkill for my needs i'll pass on them.
if anyone has any advice, i'm all ears..... thanks....kevin
 

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just do stage 2 cams, .5 oversize valves, and bc springs, ct26 57 trim from albert, lexus afm, depending on how much boost your pushing, youll def be around that 400-500. thats the build im looking for at the moment.
 

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Thanks guys. This thing was supposed to rebuilt on a budget. I know i'll probably need to do a clutch and a bunch of other stuff, so i was hoping to save on some stuff.
I'm going to definitely get the head milled so i can use a mhg, i just wasn't sure if the cams and valves would make a difference at this point.
AT THIS STAGE CAN I USE AN AFC, OR SHOULD I JUST GET THE STANDALONE NOW?
 

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gsxr141;1809360 said:
Thanks guys. This thing was supposed to rebuilt on a budget. I know i'll probably need to do a clutch and a bunch of other stuff, so i was hoping to save on some stuff.
I'm going to definitely get the head milled so i can use a mhg, i just wasn't sure if the cams and valves would make a difference at this point.
AT THIS STAGE CAN I USE AN AFC, OR SHOULD I JUST GET THE STANDALONE NOW?
At this stage, an AFC is borderline. Personally, I'd go for a standalone, especially if you're set on using the stock pistons - they really cannot handle any detonation.