So I watched the promo video for Bi-tron oil additive which is supposed to give you dual oil films and protect against friction during major stress. IT SOUNDS WAY TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anybody besides the creator used this shit? I'm all for fightin the friction but I'm sceptical. If this stuff is so revolutionary and has already sold $100mil why the hell isn't it being marketed mainstreamly. I bet $$$$$$$$$$$$ that this thing is a scam but If not lets hear some positive feedback from customers.
WTF is Bitron 4 Real?
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Hey 87,
If you're on Supraforums, you can PM gmacrae about it. Here's a thread with his feedback:http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383055&page=2
"Off topic, but yea i got a bunch of bi-tron stuff recently, put some in my torsen diff (with redline h/d shockproof), and put some in the engine. There's a noticable difference in the engine. Cold starts are awesome, you can hear the difference. On cold start it immediately sounds like a warm engine, no slight valvetrain noise like i used to get. It also seems to have conditioned my valve seals up and they're not leaking like they used to (startup smoke). The bi-tron is actually thinner than the engine oil so it hasnt just thickened it up. Im very impressed so far" (We were talking about how the product might solve the oil-starved R154 thrust washer issue so many supra owners face)
Spaniard on SF did a CRAZY thing with a Porsche 944: (Don't try this!!)
"ZaZZn, i personally had to try the Bitron stuff cause it moved me and me being an engineering student. I just had to do some tests. I am running them now, but lets just say that our 200,000 miles Porsche 944 that was dying ran for over an hour without else and a Bitron additive. We turned off the car cause we got nervous about breaking the car inside the Aerodynamics lab and it would have created a mess. But this stuff made me skeptical and now seeing the science being it, I am amazed. All I know is that I'm sure as hell adding it to my Supra."
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4619671#post4619671
Also Don aka VanSupra on SF used to be a Bi-Tron distributor in the 90's. You could PM him also. smupra on SF has seen me do the test live and uses it in his Mk3. Tom at Kinetic Motorsports in Langley B.C. knows all about it too.
It is me in the videos, demonstrating the products. I'm just a distributor, I didn't invent the stuff. I was totally skeptical of the product so I bought that oil testing machine on eBay and made that series of videos so people could see how well it actually works.
I plan to apply as a vendor here and SF but I'm waiting to have a few Supra owners try the products, and have good feedback to say about it since the mods will likely be skeptical, like everyone is the first time
Just trying to offer the Supra community the ultimate lubrication technology available. I cringe every time I see a post of someone spinning another bearing, that may have been avoidable.
(P.S. It is marketed only through home-based businesses, not TV infomercials or auto-parts stores. That's how it has sold $100 mil. That TV show on my website is a spotlight on the company which is based in my city (Vancouver)
Cheers - Brad
If you're on Supraforums, you can PM gmacrae about it. Here's a thread with his feedback:http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383055&page=2
"Off topic, but yea i got a bunch of bi-tron stuff recently, put some in my torsen diff (with redline h/d shockproof), and put some in the engine. There's a noticable difference in the engine. Cold starts are awesome, you can hear the difference. On cold start it immediately sounds like a warm engine, no slight valvetrain noise like i used to get. It also seems to have conditioned my valve seals up and they're not leaking like they used to (startup smoke). The bi-tron is actually thinner than the engine oil so it hasnt just thickened it up. Im very impressed so far" (We were talking about how the product might solve the oil-starved R154 thrust washer issue so many supra owners face)
Spaniard on SF did a CRAZY thing with a Porsche 944: (Don't try this!!)
"ZaZZn, i personally had to try the Bitron stuff cause it moved me and me being an engineering student. I just had to do some tests. I am running them now, but lets just say that our 200,000 miles Porsche 944 that was dying ran for over an hour without else and a Bitron additive. We turned off the car cause we got nervous about breaking the car inside the Aerodynamics lab and it would have created a mess. But this stuff made me skeptical and now seeing the science being it, I am amazed. All I know is that I'm sure as hell adding it to my Supra."
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4619671#post4619671
Also Don aka VanSupra on SF used to be a Bi-Tron distributor in the 90's. You could PM him also. smupra on SF has seen me do the test live and uses it in his Mk3. Tom at Kinetic Motorsports in Langley B.C. knows all about it too.
It is me in the videos, demonstrating the products. I'm just a distributor, I didn't invent the stuff. I was totally skeptical of the product so I bought that oil testing machine on eBay and made that series of videos so people could see how well it actually works.
I plan to apply as a vendor here and SF but I'm waiting to have a few Supra owners try the products, and have good feedback to say about it since the mods will likely be skeptical, like everyone is the first time
Just trying to offer the Supra community the ultimate lubrication technology available. I cringe every time I see a post of someone spinning another bearing, that may have been avoidable.
(P.S. It is marketed only through home-based businesses, not TV infomercials or auto-parts stores. That's how it has sold $100 mil. That TV show on my website is a spotlight on the company which is based in my city (Vancouver)
Cheers - Brad
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I'll try to get some local supra owners on camera with their feedback, and make some more web videos like the ones on my site. I'd like to also dyno test the products on camera as well, just gotta find the right place/car.
Dyno test will only be convincing if it's a before and after scenario, preferably also someone we know.
I'll be happy to do it!:naughty:
I'll be happy to do it!:naughty:
This is interesting.. I used ZMAX on my old van and it did improve the gas mileage. I’m not sure about adding this BI-TRON to my supra.. I quickly looked at the website and it seems that a part of the site is geared towards MLM so we can sell the stuff. It was hard to get a total price of what it would cost for 1 car.
I will keep an eye out for more info. and if anyone does use it let us know. Who wants to be a gunni-pig???
I will keep an eye out for more info. and if anyone does use it let us know. Who wants to be a gunni-pig???
I figure if it were that good Car makers would use inferior materials and spec that to make up the difference in longevity.
(wonder how many snakes they need per litre?)
(wonder how many snakes they need per litre?)
IJ. said:
yup. that and if it was that good, why don't the auto manufacturers or oil companies already put it in oil, etc.?
IJ. said:
IIRC, it's 2 full snakes + 1 head/liter.
For that genuinely Snakey goodness hmmmm doggie! yeehawww!
(I tried to watch the vid but only got half way through watching Cletus and his kin and felt ill>> "I bin a merkanik for 30 years and done got me a 30 puuucent increase in effishency")
Show me some tests done by a reputable lab under controlled conditions ....
(I tried to watch the vid but only got half way through watching Cletus and his kin and felt ill>> "I bin a merkanik for 30 years and done got me a 30 puuucent increase in effishency")
Show me some tests done by a reputable lab under controlled conditions ....
yeah... it's all a bit shady. The feedback is very positive in an infomercial-esque way, and for some reason car manufacturers are oblivious to it, and so are exxon, castrol, etc... I think if theres anything good to put in oil, it would be mixed in with synthetics already. It's also funny that out of all of the guys doing hugely expensive engine builds, who bring all sorts of cool unusual stuff to the table, none of them have mentioned this additive.
Do you really think I faked all my positive eBay feedback? http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...Give me a break. You guys are not to cordial to a product that might help out the community. There are other methods of marketing other than TV, namely word of mouth, and that is how you are hearing about it now.
Here's a little conspiracy theory for you. The "big oil compines" know about this, but they only want to make oil that is approved by the SAE. Guess who that is? The Society of Automotive Engineers. The big auto companies make a HUGE percentage of their profits from residual OEM parts sales. Would they approve of a product that virtually eliminates wear? I doubt it. $$$ All these guys are quite happy with the status quo staying the way it is. (Mainly start-up wear slooowly killing engines and drivetrains so they fail after the manufaturer's warranty)
And it's not like I'm recruiting anyone, I just get tired of seeing so many spun bearing threads and I think I can help out. IJ: I'm surprised you haven't heard about it. It's rather popular in aussieland! http://www.bi-tronaustralia.com/
Relax and give it some time. There will soon be lots of Supra owner feedback. Spaniard (an engineering student in SF is apperently doing a full documentary on Bi-Tron. He ran a Porsche 944 with no oil for an hour and noted no additional wear, scuffing etc. http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4619671#post4619671"I will have a documentary on the whole set-up soon, but I am very professional about my work. So I am still editing video and compiling data for those of you who like to see the numbers that dont lie. I figured I would do it, cause I am impartial and I wanted to see if the people over at Bitron were just pulling our legs. But it fact this shit works oddly enough and I'll be honest as I always am, I was scared for this Porsche's motor. I was so sure of myself, I thought this damn thing was going to break. And sure enough, it stayed alive and running better than the way we received it with 200,000 miles."
Here's a little conspiracy theory for you. The "big oil compines" know about this, but they only want to make oil that is approved by the SAE. Guess who that is? The Society of Automotive Engineers. The big auto companies make a HUGE percentage of their profits from residual OEM parts sales. Would they approve of a product that virtually eliminates wear? I doubt it. $$$ All these guys are quite happy with the status quo staying the way it is. (Mainly start-up wear slooowly killing engines and drivetrains so they fail after the manufaturer's warranty)
And it's not like I'm recruiting anyone, I just get tired of seeing so many spun bearing threads and I think I can help out. IJ: I'm surprised you haven't heard about it. It's rather popular in aussieland! http://www.bi-tronaustralia.com/
Relax and give it some time. There will soon be lots of Supra owner feedback. Spaniard (an engineering student in SF is apperently doing a full documentary on Bi-Tron. He ran a Porsche 944 with no oil for an hour and noted no additional wear, scuffing etc. http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4619671#post4619671"I will have a documentary on the whole set-up soon, but I am very professional about my work. So I am still editing video and compiling data for those of you who like to see the numbers that dont lie. I figured I would do it, cause I am impartial and I wanted to see if the people over at Bitron were just pulling our legs. But it fact this shit works oddly enough and I'll be honest as I always am, I was scared for this Porsche's motor. I was so sure of myself, I thought this damn thing was going to break. And sure enough, it stayed alive and running better than the way we received it with 200,000 miles."
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We also tested Zmax. I think it is mainly just a cleaner because it smelled strongly of acetone. Video: mms://stream.yourgalaxy.com/bitron/sgarage3zmax.wmv
tekdeus said:
settle down.
just like you are entitled to pimp whatever product you like, we are entitled to be skeptical.
tekdeus said:Skepticism is to be expected. I guess snakey and Cletus are words I'd rather not be called
i think you missed the point of IJ's and my exchange- we weren't calling you any of that. IJ was referring to the video and the "snake" references pertain to things like this commonly being called "snake oil"....
