how is everyone??
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me neither but on alot of newer cars there are braces crossing the upper strut mounts, and there again 40 yrs ago the only cars that had sway bars on them where from europe.
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IJ.;1190192 said:
in that case y do we have sway bars on our cars??? they essencly do the same thing, so if upper strut bars do nothing then sway bars would do nothing.
You're NOT helping your case by displaying total ignorance on what each component actually does in the real world...... :nono:
IJ.;1190192 said:
what a great word... is that the same thing as a double wishbone? and i though our suspensions were, and i use this word carefully, "similar" to a double wishbone?
EDIT: like i said im not trying to argue... im just trying to gain knowledge
Shen: Our cars ARE double a-arm/wishbone, STB's are appliciable to McPherson Strut suspension where the towers are load bearing in cornering, ourws aren't all they do is support the spring loads nothing to do with cornering.
If you look at most STB's they're designed to be easily unbolted and this is their downfall as a brace as they act as a big ass hinge at the single bolting point.
Think of a cardboard box, unfold the ends so it's a tube then grip diagonal corners and flex it side to side, this is all your STB could possibly do as installed.
Fold the ends back over and repeat, it's pretty strong this way and this is what an STB is missing to be effective as the engine is in the way.
Run a couple of diagonals back to the firewall and continue them into the dash support brace and it might just do something.
If you look at most STB's they're designed to be easily unbolted and this is their downfall as a brace as they act as a big ass hinge at the single bolting point.
Think of a cardboard box, unfold the ends so it's a tube then grip diagonal corners and flex it side to side, this is all your STB could possibly do as installed.
Fold the ends back over and repeat, it's pretty strong this way and this is what an STB is missing to be effective as the engine is in the way.
Run a couple of diagonals back to the firewall and continue them into the dash support brace and it might just do something.
Shen: No probs I'm NOT trying to start shit it's just basic engineering.
Think of the force vectors and how you need to design something to counteract them.
Think of the force vectors and how you need to design something to counteract them.
IJ.;1190229 said:
I know I have done some more reading. :icon_bigg Being a good boy over on this end of the pond.
And I have been doing some more work on my supra.:evil2:
-Sean
IJ.;1190229 said:
i know your not trying to start anything... this is why your a supermod, you know your shit. thats what this place is for, to learn from others. plus i know im young and i can say i know a fair amount but to the large world that is cars... i know only a little of that world, which is why i love to learn about it all.
I can be a total and utter knob at times but this wasn't one of em :icon_razzDunckel;1190232 said:
funky_monkey58;1190233 said:
Reading is good
It's also a good idea to study what the GroupA guys did back in the day as much of it applies to our cars today.
(never saw a GrpA with an STB)
Just trying to help stamp out more SupraMythsshenronzero;1190237 said:
well thanks for a of ur replies, btw the dubble wishbone on our cars take up most of the flex so the the strut bar is really unessasary
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shenronzero;1190171 said:
Why bother with handling,you have 800 lbs. of stereo equipment in your hatch.
toy fanatic78;1194907 said:
just to get your facts closer together its closer to 200
, and the majority of that wieght is centered in the car, so the car really cant tell the difference, and for that matter the stuff that is actually in the hatch area is about the same weight as a spare tire and cover with carpet. and why should i care about how my car handles or steers? what make my car different from anyone else? i care about the driveability of my car just as much if not more than other people... oh and i get over 300 mile to my tank even with all that extra equeipment