Blah blah blah, 9/11 conspiracy, a plane has hit the Pentagon? What do you think?
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1TuffSupra said:
I can't believe I'm even replying to this...
The construction types of the WTC vs the Empire State are so different you might as well compare a fiberglass bass boat to an oil tanker...
Go do some research on the way those buildings are designed and come back after you've read up on both.
Supracentral said:
lol dude, the empire state building was completed in 1931, the WTC was completed in 1973, that is 42 yrs worth of time to gain knowledge in how to design skyscrapers. Are you trying to sit here and tell me that a building 42yrs older is better designed. I personally think you are fooling yourself.
Are you forgetting the bombing of the wtc in 1993. Here is a small excerpt from an article that I found about the bomb and the damage it caused.
And some info on the WTC design:
Construction of the towers began in 1966 and were completed in 1972. During the period, implementation of an innovative elevator system halved the number of elevator shafts. The express elevators took people to "sky lobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors, where they could board local elevators. Unlike many skyscrapers of the period, WTC does not include stone bearing or masonry in the facade but aliminum cladding sheathing the perimeter columns. Also unique was its grouping of columns into the core and perimeter of the building.
To meet the challenges of wind load, gravity load and related architectural stresses, the WTC's structural engineers took a then-unusual (which is now normal) approach in its construction: instead of employing a traditional grid-like plan with beams evenly spaced throughout a floor (no concrete center support as in the wtc and all modern skyscrapers), the WTCs columns were grouped in the building's core and perimeter. The core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 133 feet and consisted of steel box columns running from the bedrock to the tops of the tower. The columns tapered to the top, where they transitioned to light weight H-beams, but the exact dimensions are unknown as the blueprints are under the juristiction of the Port Authority and are not public domain. Each tower had 240 steel perimeter columns (from 2.5 inches thick at the bottom tapering to .25 inch at the top) placed 14 inches around the perimeter. This signature feature of grouping columns in the core and perimeter allowed large tracks of floorspace that were uninterrupted by columns, a significant marketing feature for the towers.
But the WTC was taller than the empire state building, hell the empire state building was 1250', 1472' with the spire, the wtcs were 1368' without any kind of spire and they were very boxy vs the design of the empire state building which got much smaller as the height increased.
You do know that the masonary exterior of the empire state building is a facade right? The basic design of the buildings was the same besides what i mentioned and from what Ive found the design of the wtc is what modern designers are still using today. The only real difference is the fact that they are using an electronic dampering system which helps to counteract the forces created by typhoons, earthquakes, and gail force winds. If im wrong you make sure to let me know, but from what Ive found online, it is what it is
Excuse me folks, I was incorrect in my research as one of our fellow members so rudely pointed out to me in PM. I personally think that the remarks were valid, but the way in which they were done was uncalled for. So for the record, I AM stating that I was wrong. It was a B25 and NOT a B52 that crashed into the empire state building. Cant we all see how easy it is to confuse two simple #'s. Here are the stats on a B25:
Wingspan: 67' 7"
Length: 51'
Height:16' 4"
So I guess that clears up why a 767 would dessimate the twin towers, and a much smaller plane could hit an antiquated building and not do even half as much damage. Here is the PM I was sent so we understand what was said.
The empire state building wasnt hit until 1945 and its concrete exterior was simply a facade it was constructed out of mostly brick from what Ive found, but I dont know shit. Im done with this thread
Wingspan: 67' 7"
Length: 51'
Height:16' 4"
So I guess that clears up why a 767 would dessimate the twin towers, and a much smaller plane could hit an antiquated building and not do even half as much damage. Here is the PM I was sent so we understand what was said.
The empire state building wasnt hit until 1945 and its concrete exterior was simply a facade it was constructed out of mostly brick from what Ive found, but I dont know shit. Im done with this thread
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Fuzz, put down the weed. It clearly has melted your brain. All of you see what happens when you smoke it. And dope smokers say it has no effects...:nono:
Have any of you conspircacy retards seen flight 93 yet? Where is the plane?
There are no pieces. Todd Beamer didnt say "Let's Roll", the plane didnt crash, it was just a goverenment demolition team that burned a field. And all of the "missing" passengers are in the witness relocation program, and everybody is in on the conspiracy. This is truly one of the dumbest threads I have ever seen. People posting links to bad information.:3d_frown:
The 9-11 conspiracy, Kennedy, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster all have one thing in common. Hoaxes by malcontents. How did that engine make its way to the inner ring of the Pentagon?
Have any of you conspircacy retards seen flight 93 yet? Where is the plane?
There are no pieces. Todd Beamer didnt say "Let's Roll", the plane didnt crash, it was just a goverenment demolition team that burned a field. And all of the "missing" passengers are in the witness relocation program, and everybody is in on the conspiracy. This is truly one of the dumbest threads I have ever seen. People posting links to bad information.:3d_frown:
He didnt say they always get them back, he said it was rare. And we got them back, in bad condition, as one would expect. There is a difference between a trained pilot doing a belly flop and a terrorist acclerating a plane as fast as it will go into a building.
You dumbass. They arent made to withstand a hijacked jumbo jet hitting as hard as it can. And the WTC, is an exoskelatan to withstand smaller planes that do hit it.
So all the morons here and elsewhere can watch the 757 hit the building after bouncing off the ground(some guided missle) before hitting the Pentagon.
It already has. The most disputable evidence is on the side of the cosnpiracy morons. The least disputable evidence is the people watching it hit the Pentagon, the flight tracking, the security photos, etc.
You really are dense. The plane bounced when on the ground before hitting the Pentagon. What two feet are you looking at that was unburned?
The 9-11 conspiracy, Kennedy, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster all have one thing in common. Hoaxes by malcontents. How did that engine make its way to the inner ring of the Pentagon?
OneJoeZee said:
Well I guess I should say one more thing since this has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Im assuming your refering to me since my post was the last before yours. It is part of my sig, I love my name, its unique, its me. If I didnt put it in the sig are you telling me you would know my name? I dont think so. Its my personal choice, get over it. And what is your first name? Joe right?
If your joking, Ill apologize in advance. I just got put in a funk ass mood
I wasn't referring to you. I was talking to matt. I just read his first post in the thread and realized he does it everywhere. Thought it was strange.
-Joe
^You don't sign your name like that
anyway. this thread is very interesting. I'll keep reading
-Joe
^You don't sign your name like that
anyway. this thread is very interesting. I'll keep reading
1tuff: I did not mean to seem rude in my PM. I should have read it out loud first for that reason and because it was not entirely accurate either.... But ohh well, crap occurs.
Your reply to me was not nice either but it was private so I won't be a jerk and post it here..
I say good day to you and this thread..
Your reply to me was not nice either but it was private so I won't be a jerk and post it here..
I say good day to you and this thread..
Fuzz,
Do you understand any of the info you posted? It sounds like to me that the author (of the original info, not you Fuzz) is trying to baffle people with bullshit. For instance:
48 million kg's (105,821,885 pounds/53k tons) = 26,455 yards of concrete. And that's 3,000 psi concrete, the cheap stuff used to pour driveways, house foundations & low end commercial construction.
When I helped design the Four Seasons Hotel in Miami, a 67 floor high rise, I designed one footing that was 70' wide x 210' long x 18' deep. That's 9,800 yards of concrete, more than 40% (based on 3k psi concrete) of what your author is claiming was used in a structure that is 50% larger than the Four Seasons Miami.
For the footing I mentioned above, a 12k psi mix was used. This mixed weighs approx 7700 lbs/yard. That's a whole new can of worms, isn't it?
So, WTC has approx 53k tons of concrete in the entire structure, & the Four Seasons Miami has 37.7k tons in one footing. Are you seeing the discrepancy here?
Do you understand any of the info you posted? It sounds like to me that the author (of the original info, not you Fuzz) is trying to baffle people with bullshit. For instance:
48 million kg's (105,821,885 pounds/53k tons) = 26,455 yards of concrete. And that's 3,000 psi concrete, the cheap stuff used to pour driveways, house foundations & low end commercial construction.
When I helped design the Four Seasons Hotel in Miami, a 67 floor high rise, I designed one footing that was 70' wide x 210' long x 18' deep. That's 9,800 yards of concrete, more than 40% (based on 3k psi concrete) of what your author is claiming was used in a structure that is 50% larger than the Four Seasons Miami.
For the footing I mentioned above, a 12k psi mix was used. This mixed weighs approx 7700 lbs/yard. That's a whole new can of worms, isn't it?
So, WTC has approx 53k tons of concrete in the entire structure, & the Four Seasons Miami has 37.7k tons in one footing. Are you seeing the discrepancy here?
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for all the people that have started the trash talking to others, stop now.
you wanna debate with them do it, just stop calling people morons and dumbass's
it just pisses people off and makes them flame back.
you wanna debate with them do it, just stop calling people morons and dumbass's
it just pisses people off and makes them flame back.
Although I was one guilty of posting a link to the "Pentagon Strike" misinformation video, I do not believe it. It was simply interesting that someone would go through the effort to put that information together. All great conspiracy theories are interesting to me, but they don't hold all of their water. The stories fabricated are set to fascinate and provoke the mind, and they do just that, as all famous works of fiction do.
Seriously, Terrorists/27.
Seriously, Terrorists/27.
Not the Pentagon, but here is an interesting picture showing the main support system of the WTC towers. Notice how narrow the shearwalls (vertical strip supporting the core) are? This is great for reducing weight, but it also puts all the eggs in one basket so to speak. Damaging the shearwalls will have a detrimental effect.
^^ well, I know for one thing, that the terrorist arent stupid, they have pretty much the same "nerds" if you will, working on their side.
Ok my quick turn on this:
-A plane didn't hit the pentagon
-First reports were a "truck bomb"
-3 planes went down, not 4
-2 hit the twin towers
-The third which was to hit the pentagon, wasn't hi-jacked and crashed. It was shot down by the US Air Force. Why? It was on its way to nail the pentagon. It was in full flight control, just not with American hands. When the pilots didn't answer, werent' on thier flight path, and the twin towers were hit - the order was to shoot it down.
-This is not the first time a civilian plane has been shot out of the sky. Look up Payne Stewart - famous golfer. Plane depressurized. Headed for Canadian airspace at 50,000ft with no one alive inside. When it got over "wild country" with no one around, the Air National Guard blew it out of the sky.
-A plane didn't hit the pentagon
-First reports were a "truck bomb"
-3 planes went down, not 4
-2 hit the twin towers
-The third which was to hit the pentagon, wasn't hi-jacked and crashed. It was shot down by the US Air Force. Why? It was on its way to nail the pentagon. It was in full flight control, just not with American hands. When the pilots didn't answer, werent' on thier flight path, and the twin towers were hit - the order was to shoot it down.
-This is not the first time a civilian plane has been shot out of the sky. Look up Payne Stewart - famous golfer. Plane depressurized. Headed for Canadian airspace at 50,000ft with no one alive inside. When it got over "wild country" with no one around, the Air National Guard blew it out of the sky.
rakkasan said:Not the Pentagon, but here is an interesting picture showing the main support system of the WTC towers. Notice how narrow the shearwalls (vertical strip supporting the core) are? This is great for reducing weight, but it also puts all the eggs in one basket so to speak. Damaging the shearwalls will have a detrimental effect.
That's a very interesting picture. Think I'll save it.
GotToyota? said:Shut up, Joe.
-Matt
You don't. There isn't a need.
take an hour and a half out of your day and watch what really went down.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
trust me it's worth it. answers a lot of questions. i saw it three times.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
trust me it's worth it. answers a lot of questions. i saw it three times.