Question about AFRs.

TheAmazingDave

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I temporarily installed my Auto Meter AFR gauge today. I say temporary because I'm trying to get an A-pillar pod that is blue like the rest of the interior. Also because of this temporary position, I soldered the other end of the gauge's sensor wire to make it stiff, and inserted it in to the pin on the diagnostics connector for the single wire O2 sensor, not the 3-wire sensor on the elbow. It is powered by the stereo's ignition switch power wire, and grounded to the chassis.

The gauge seems to be working perfectly, it reads the slightest blip of the throttle. My question is more related to how the ECU mixes fuel, I suppose. Here's the issue, when cruising the gauge bounces back and forth between the high and low stoichiometric range when the ECU is closed-loop, as it should. But if I give it enough gas to spool the turbo it goes into the rich and stays put. I was under the impression that it only runs open-loop at or near WOT. I guess I just want someone to tell me that it's perfectly normal, and I'm stressing on nothing.

This is my first turbo vehicle so I'm trying not to blow her up. :love:
 

staticpat

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The A/F gauge is reading off the stock O2 sensor which gives a narrowband signal. Meaning it is either going to read rich or lean, not give accurate A/F readings. It ends up being a pretty light show. For the gauge to be useful you need to send it a wideband signal, so it can actually track what's going on, not just pegged rich or lean.
 

jetjock

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As was said it's normal. Any time the engine is in transition it won't be in closed loop. As for the rest you guys crack me up. What do you think was used before the WB (which is recent, or at least recently affordable) came along? People have been tuning with NB for over 25 years. As long as you're aware of it's limitations and work within them it's not a problem.

Not that there's a reason to use one these days but still. Same with MHGs, on and on. It always amuses me how many seem to think the car performance world didn't exist before they were born. I guess all we had were Flintstone cars back then ;)
 

Boost Lee

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The norm.

Only good thing a narrowband is good for is if you've got a boost leak or an IC pipe that would happen to pop off without you knowing...;) It will go pig rich and stay there.

Also, it's okay to get an *idea* of what your motor is doing if you're at WOT for long periods of time (1/4 mile runs, interstate pulls, and such)...

But as stated, it's not ideal for trying to get a feel for your motor and it's definately not something you want to rely off of when you're trying to tune 20psi and tons of fuel or something of that nature.

-Jeff

**EDIT** Jetjock - Did someone actually say what you've got in your Signature? :nono:
 

TheAmazingDave

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Thanks for the fast replies. I understand the limited use of a narrow-band sensor with tuning, but as BoostLee said, I will be using it to keep an eye out for boost leaks and other problems while I'm mobbing down the freeway. :) With the factory ECU and simple BPU's, I couldn't justify a wide-band yet.