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^Well i have a new winter desktop. Looks like so much fun, sadly here we use salt to clear the roads, so that kind of fun in the sup, is out of the question.

te72;1800546 said:
Just curious why you guys have stored your cars with the headlights up?

Mine are up because I fried my headlight control box, and its a pain to wind them up and down.
 

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They use too much salt here for the supra. Took this one yesterday...winter rally mode for the IS:

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enjoyer;1803950 said:

enjoyer;1804003 said:
From all the salt my car seemed to be white, rather than red, but i don't care. A car is ment to be driven in any conditions. I prefer snow the most.
Beautiful picture sir, looks like a lot of fun! Oh, and just be sure to spray off your car (the wheel wells especially) a couple times a month, get that salt off there. Stuff will make your red car look like swiss cheese eventually...

mattsplat72;1804028 said:
I wish I could take mine out, I couldn't get it over 2k with out it stepping out. I am running Falken Zeix 912r's NO traction, This is my winter daily.
Well there's your problem haha... I think you'd get high centered if it snowed more than an inch too! :p

I would suggest a good set of snow tires, or at least a good all-season tire (Goodyear Tripletread Assurance FTW), but I don't think you get much snow there do you?
 

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I've found that all-season tires are essentially no-season tires. They are too compromised to be exceptionally good in any one particular condition. Compound is too hard and not enough sipes/blocks for winter. They are ok on dry/wet pavement, but that's about it.

Dedicated snow and summer tires is the way to go. ;) Unless you live where there is VERY little to no snow. Then you can generally get away with no-seasons all year.
 

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MPR;1804699 said:
I've found that all-season tires are essentially no-season tires. They are too compromised to be exceptionally good in any one particular condition. Compound is too hard and not enough sipes/blocks for winter. They are ok on dry/wet pavement, but that's about it.

Dedicated snow and summer tires is the way to go. ;) Unless you live where there is VERY little to no snow. Then you can generally get away with no-seasons all year.
Eh, you'd be surprised... I've driven home in snow that was up to my hood level, must have fallen 10-12" that day. Felt like riding a boat on that drive home...

Then again, I've never driven on pure snow tires either, they might be absolutely amazing for all I know. Given the way it snows here (unpredictably) I've never needed pure winter tires yet.
 

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Trust me, there is a huge difference between summer and winter tires. All season tires are pretty much useless. Unless, you're just a moving dot in trafic at low speeds. If it's made to do everything, chances are, that it's gona do ewerything below average. That's not acceptable for me. Serious, high quality tires, made for one purpose ir the way for me.

te72 thanks :). I'm looking forward to this weekend. Planing to do it all over again. It's unimaginable fun.
P.s. it's possible only with REAL winter tyres :)
 

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Snow tires specifically designed for winter/snow/ice, make a HUGE difference in those conditions over all seasons and especially summer tires. It's all in the rubber compound and tread design. My snow tires are still so soft at even -20 degrees C (-4 F), that you can still squish and move the tread blocks with your finger quite easily. This softness allows the snow to vacate the tread (not stick to it) allowing more rubber to surface contact (also allows the tread to dig down and get a better bite). Also the softness along with lots of sipes (tiny cuts), act like little fingers all collectively grabbing the ice for better grip on ice.

All seasons tend to be way too hard in composition and don't have anywhere near enough sipes to be significantly useful in the snow and on ice. Snow tends to stick to the tread more, causing a low friction layer between the tire and the ground, which does not allow the tire to dig down and bite. They tend to "float" on snow rather than digging in.

Snow tires do not make you invincible by any means, but by far increase control and stability in snow ice and cold frozen pavement. One must still drive according to the conditions. It's hilarious to cruise by with ease past all the SUV's in the ditches in my rwd open diff supra. :p
 

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I've honestly never had a problem with a winter-appropriate all-season, but I think I'll be getting a set of dedicated snow tires for the Mk2 since the Mk3 is probably seeing it's last winter as we speak. Snow is unpredictable here though, how well do snow tires hold up in above freezing temps and dry pavement? I mean, I pretty much expect to buy new tires every few years anyway, but durability is always good. In my experience, grip and soft tread are often linked, as well as linked to durability...
 

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Depends on the compuond. Soft or hard. Soft offers better traction and control ,but wears out faster. You have to choose tires according to your usual local conditions. I'm using Dunlop winter sport 3d's right now. It's the last season for them. I'm looking at Dunlop winter sport 4d or Dunlop Ice sport for the next winter.
 

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Randy87T;1805180 said:
What winter tires do you guys run up north ?

I'm currently running Nexen Winguard 231's. They are less expensive than most but have all the right design components that makes a great winter tire - Soft compound, deep spaced out blocks and lots of sipes. I'm very happy with the performance and have been using this type of winter tire for many years.

A closer look: http://vatafak.com/newtiburon/tire3.JPG
 

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te72;1804375 said:
Beautiful picture sir, looks like a lot of fun! Oh, and just be sure to spray off your car (the wheel wells especially) a couple times a month, get that salt off there. Stuff will make your red car look like swiss cheese eventually...


Well there's your problem haha... I think you'd get high centered if it snowed more than an inch too! :p

I would suggest a good set of snow tires, or at least a good all-season tire (Goodyear Tripletread Assurance FTW), but I don't think you get much snow there do you?

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The first day of a three foot event
 
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MPR;1804788 said:
Snow tires specifically designed for winter/snow/ice, make a HUGE difference in those conditions over all seasons and especially summer tires. It's all in the rubber compound and tread design. My snow tires are still so soft at even -20 degrees C (-4 F), that you can still squish and move the tread blocks with your finger quite easily. This softness allows the snow to vacate the tread (not stick to it) allowing more rubber to surface contact (also allows the tread to dig down and get a better bite). Also the softness along with lots of sipes (tiny cuts), act like little fingers all collectively grabbing the ice for better grip on ice.

All seasons tend to be way too hard in composition and don't have anywhere near enough sipes to be significantly useful in the snow and on ice. Snow tends to stick to the tread more, causing a low friction layer between the tire and the ground, which does not allow the tire to dig down and bite. They tend to "float" on snow rather than digging in.

Snow tires do not make you invincible by any means, but by far increase control and stability in snow ice and cold frozen pavement. One must still drive according to the conditions.

:thumbup:

Tires make all the difference in the world.