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Mr.SelfDestruct

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MDC: reading your post on SF, I must say that I agreed w/ most of your points, except one thing, about your statement on religion, yes, the country was founded on christianity, but wasnt the main reason the english came over here in the first place to escape religious persicution? I believe on that basis, people should be able to express their beliefs, now I'm not saying we should take the word "god" out of the pledge, but I dont think your statement was necessarily constitutional:

1st amendment: congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 

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The Separatists came to America to Worship God without having to follow the Church of England. Because at that time in England you either worshiped under the State Church of England or you were thrown in prison or burned at the stake. Thats why they came to America, not so they wouldn't have to worship at all.
 

CTsupra

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oh yeah. that thread. eh, more of the same. if i had it my way, i would hunt down and either kill all of the illegal immigrants, or kick them right the fuck out with their fingers up their ass then give every deserving American their fucking job back.

no religion = no war ...imho. don't agree? well that's the truth.

I'm with you, Jeff.
 

CTsupra

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i hear you. i always think about how much different the world and all of its people would be if there was only one religion to follow. the human race might actually move forward instead of slowly destroying itself.

i sincerely don't think this world is going to last another 100 years at the rate things are happening now. i just hope i can see the end of the world with my own eyes. closure, i guess.

think about it. there was some war going on when every one of you guys were born. whether America was involved or not. i believe if religion was either one being, or abolished completely, the world would be that much better to live in.
 

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I read something about the majority...... since when has the majority been able to do shit about anything? America has become so damn pussified........ :icon_conf We need to tell people No for a change and explain that they jumped the border once and they can do it again.

I'm all about cultures and what-not, but when illegal immigrants can try to sue the state because they don't have real state ID's that they need to get their driver's licence......... How the hell is that "our" fault?

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This will probably get erased, but wth....

Will someone please explain to me why all these minorities get to have.... I dunno, the only one that comes to mind is Indy's Black Expo, but thats not the only one, and I have no prob with it, but if whites tride something like that, why the hell would it be a problem? It's kind of on topic......
 

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Sure.

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This was sent to me this morning...



THIS IS CHILLING...

We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream!

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. "The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

5. "Fourth, to destroy America, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other." "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty.. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the ! emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead.

8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate." "Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturist, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book, 'Mexifornia'. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
 

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A couple things that should be noted.

ALL nations rise and fall. What reasoning do we have to think our country (where ever you happen to live, of course) should be exempt? What reasoning do we have to think something better cannot be created from the chaos?

Two languages is a fatal curse, hmm? Well, I live in Canada, with English & French, and despite what the honorable Governor might say, it's more of an annoyance than a problem. I certainly don't think it's going to split the country any time soon.

PS: Can someone define the 'American Dream' for me? I keep getting the impression that this is like a silver bullet that kills vampires or the easter bunny - a figment of our imagination, or something that is only ever achieved by a small minority, pardon the irony.
 

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mkiiSupraMan18 said:
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This will probably get erased, but wth....

Will someone please explain to me why all these minorities get to have.... I dunno, the only one that comes to mind is Indy's Black Expo, but thats not the only one, and I have no prob with it, but if whites tride something like that, why the hell would it be a problem? It's kind of on topic......

No matt, thats not going to get erased. This isn't SF with a bunch of spoon fed college 19 year old dumbasses that believe any thing thier professors tell them.

Any who, isn't it funny that there is Black expo, united negro college fund, Ebony Magazine, Black Etertainment Television, Black history month, and a host of others.

With lack of better words, "THEY" would shit thier pants if we had White Expo, United White college fund, Cloud Magazine, White Etertainment Television, White History month, and a bunch of other sh!t. We would all be called racist if we did such a "horrible" thing!

I find it funny on that note that most of "THEM" call themselves "African-American". What bullshit. Most of them were born here in the states, and the only african they have in them is about 20 generations down the road. Looks and talks American to me.
 

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GrimJack said:
PS: Can someone define the 'American Dream' for me? I keep getting the impression that this is like a silver bullet that kills vampires or the easter bunny - a figment of our imagination, or something that is only ever achieved by a small minority, pardon the irony.

Long story short Grim, it was told to me like this. The American Dream is such that I can go to America, live in freedom away from persecution of my own homeland, while adopting the American ways and lifestyles at the same time as not to impose my thoughts, ideas, religions and own lifestyle upon the American people.
 

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GrimJack said:
PS: Can someone define the 'American Dream' for me? I keep getting the impression that this is like a silver bullet that kills vampires or the easter bunny - a figment of our imagination, or something that is only ever achieved by a small minority, pardon the irony.

American dream- Go to any white suburbian area, soccer moms with huge SUVs. husbands who come home from a 10hour job that makes $100,000s. thats the american dream, altho we all dont live this way this is the dream that most hold. To come to the USA and get a better job or well paying job, land(lots of it) and a wife and kids. you ever hear of keeping up with the jones?
 

CTsupra

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MDCmotorsports said:
No matt, thats not going to get erased. This isn't SF with a bunch of spoon fed college 19 year old dumbasses that believe any thing thier professors tell them.

Any who, isn't it funny that there is Black expo, united negro college fund, Ebony Magazine, Black Etertainment Television, Black history month, and a host of others.

With lack of better words, "THEY" would shit thier pants if we had White Expo, United White college fund, Cloud Magazine, White Etertainment Television, White History month, and a bunch of other sh!t. We would all be called racist if we did such a "horrible" thing!

I find it funny on that note that most of "THEM" call themselves "African-American". What bullshit. Most of them were born here in the states, and the only african they have in them is about 20 generations down the road. Looks and talks American to me.

Andy Rooney said on "60 minutes" a few weeks back:

"I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things that I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine. Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, and Miss White America; and see what happens....Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door. Guns don't make you a killer. You can kill somebody with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to stop you from driving to the ball game. I believe they are called Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why girls are not allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts. ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?"

"I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is a oppinion. I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant because they are different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the poeple who are arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, THAT IS NOT RACIAL PROFILING, IT IS THE LAW OF PROBABILITY. I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in FLUENT english. As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak english. My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the country you were born in to come over and disrespect ours."

"I think the police should have evey right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the words "freeze" or "stop" in english, see the above lines. I don't think just becasue you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan program, government sponsored bank loan or tax breaks, etc, so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business. We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they can come over here and tell us that our constiutution is a living document; and open to their interpretations."

"I don't hate the rich, and I don't pity the poor. I know pro-wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them. I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system which is better and put your name on the side of the building. It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when neccessary, and to say "NO!". DCF is not going to come and take your kid away for proper disipline, but maybe lack their of."

"I think tattoos and piercings are fine, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home untill that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth while you serve me french fries. I am so sick of "political correctness". I know a lot of black people, and not a single one was born in Africa; so how can they be African-American? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying that I am a European-American because my great great great great great great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be an American and if you don't like my point of view....tough."

It is the truth. :rofl:
 
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I know I will get flamed for this but...its all about Sin. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden man has had a sin nature. Yes, I am saying that people are bad at heart. We are selfish, arrogant, proud and just downright sinful at heart. No one...I repeat NO ONE is good on their own. And religion is so heaven-sent. Where else would religion come from? I myself am a Christian and its said in the Bible that man has a sin nature and we can never get rid of it. The only way to make life any better is to follow Christ, have faith in the Bible and try to live like Jesus did. Thats pretty much the answer to every question in this thread.