Intermittent Vf signal with the Pro

SPD TRP

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Noticed some traits with the pro.

When starting up on a stone cold motor, the Vf stays at 0.01, seems to stay there for quite a while. For the most part Vf stays at 0.01 during what I think is open loop.
While in open loop and at Vf 0.01, the AFRs are pretty manageable with the Pro.

Now when it finally goes into closed loop, AFRs go mad rich, mid 10's and low 11's at part throttle, I am assuming we are in closed loop because we are now getting a Vf signal on the Pro---1.7x to about 2.4x, numbers are changing very rapidly. Adjustability with the pro is more involved and seems to be less cooperative.

Am I to understand that there is no Vf signal in open loop?

If this is the case and there is no Vf in open loop (warm up), there must be a reason why my car stays in open loop for so long 20-30 minutes of driving.

I do have a new fan clutch, new shroud, new radiator, and a 180* thermostat, I know the TRSM calls for a 190, do you guys think 10* could make that much of a difference?

Thought it was the NB02, so went and bought a new one from the Stealership, but no change.

I get no cel codes.

I might go and get a 190* themostat and see, maybe a water temp sensor too. They are cheap compared to the NB02.

Thanks Wayne
 

SPD TRP

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Went out and tested the water temp sensor, from what I can see, it is working within the impedance tolerances.

For some reason, when I started it up after sitting for a while (maybe 1.5 hours), Vf values started to display instantly, and did so during the entire test of coolant sensor. Never got hotter that 170*F idling with my wife's meat therometer in the neck of the radiator. Don't know WTF is going on here.
 

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Only stays in open loop until the NBO2 sensor heater fires up, which isn't very long - under a minute at idle, on my car, when I was still running a NBO2. Are you using a stock O2 sensor? Or an aftermarket replacement? I've heard of some sensors not staying hot enough to register properly, and kicking the cycle back into open loop at idle...

You are correct on no signal during open loop.
 

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GrimJack said:
Only stays in open loop until the NBO2 sensor heater fires up, which isn't very long - under a minute at idle, on my car, when I was still running a NBO2. Are you using a stock O2 sensor? Or an aftermarket replacement? I've heard of some sensors not staying hot enough to register properly, and kicking the cycle back into open loop at idle...

You are correct on no signal during open loop.


Brand new from the stealership last night.

Is it the NBO2 only that determines when the Vf signal starts outputing?

Thought maybe the engine temp played some role in this determination.

I have been running a 180* thermostat with a new cooling system--fan clutch, radiator, ect....

Just got home with a 192* thermostat that will go in tomorrow.

My car runs about 160-165 idling after thermostat opens in garage.


UPDATE
Put in the 192* thermostat---seems to output Vf signal alot quicker now.
Maybe with the 180* thermostat it took to long to go into closed loop.
 
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