Blah blah blah, 9/11 conspiracy, a plane has hit the Pentagon? What do you think?

[rakkasan]

take an hour and a half out of your day and watch what really went down.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

trust me it's worth it. answers a lot of questions. i saw it three times.

Damn, I now believe the conspiracy!

 

[s383mmber1]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

If anyone watches that video and then claims against it. I will be clearly amazed at them.

That video provided CLEAR and CONSISE evidence (over and hour of it) stating against all three plane attacks.

-Will

 

[Nick M]

Yeah, and the Loch Ness monster is real too. And there are videos that prove it.
This is one of the worst threads I have seen on any internet forum.

Take some time from your day and look these peoples families in the eye and say they arent dead. You fools.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm

So the Bush hating, nazi loving USA today paper is in on it too? Trade in your Supras for Civics.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/victims-list.htm

All of these people are in on the conspiracy with Bush/Cheney and miltary and their families.

 

[Nick M]

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.




CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.





PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

 

[Nick M]

That video provided CLEAR and CONSISE evidence (over and hour of it) stating against all three plane attacks.

:umno: :bsflag: :nuts:

Never mind that you have watched it with your own eyes, there were no planes huh?

An internet beat down is being worked on, be patient,those who know not even Bill Clinton would concieve such an atrocity.

 

[Nick M]

In 1984, bin Laden moves from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan to help Abdullah
Azzam, founder of the Office of Services, establish training camps across
the border in Afghanistan. The Office of Services' goal was to recruit and
train Muslim volunteers. Bin Laden provides financial support and
handling of military affairs.

In 1986, Bin Laden establishes his own training camp for Persian Gulf Arabs
called Al Masadah, or the Lion's Den.

In 1988, bin Laden turns to a global crusade. He founds a group called Al-Qaida
or Al-Qaeda (Arabic for The Base). According to the American Central
Intelligence Agency, The Base has 5,000 trained militants, who have created
cells in 50 countries. The purpose of these camps is to take militants from
around the world and shape them into an international network that would
bring all Muslims under a militant version of Islamic law.

In 1989, bin Laden returns to Saudi Arabia to join his family's construction company.

In 1991, bin Laden moves the headquarters for al-Qaida (Al-Qaeda) to Sudan,
where a militant Islamic government had come to power.

In 1993, a bomb explodes at the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring another 1,000.

Links to the Office of Services and al-Qaida (Al-Qaeda) emerge, but do not lead to charges.

In 1994, Saudi Arabia strips bin Laden of citizenship for alleged terrorist links and his family disavows him.

In 1996, bin Laden is forced out of Sudan following intense pressure from the U.S. on Sudan. (and authorities holding him offer him to Bill Clinton, who declines custody-afterall, terrorism to lefties is law enforcement)

In 1998, bin Laden made his way back to Afghanistan. The International
Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, which acts as an umbrella
group for international militant groups organized by bin Laden, issues a religious order saying it is a religious duty of Muslims to kill Americans anywhere possible.

In 1999, bin Laden moves to the village Farmifadda, Afghanistan.

For more than seven years, the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors and turning its bases in the peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people, using the peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

...These crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God,
his messenger and Muslims. And ulema [Muslim scholars] have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad [Holy War] is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries.

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling is to kill the Americans and their allies is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it, in order to liberate the Al Aqsa mosque [Jerusalem] and the Holy Mosque [Mecca]... This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God... We call on every Muslim who believes in God and wished to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.

In an interview with ABC's correspondent John Miller, on May 28, 2001, Osama Bin Laden made the following comment on the fatwa issued calling
on Muslims to kill Americans, regardless of whether they are civilians or military:

Allah ordered us in this religion to purify Muslim land of all non-believers… After World War II, the Americans became more aggressive and oppressive, especially in the Muslim world. American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, and not even women and
children. They are the ones who used the bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military? America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying all people.

They are laughing there asses off at you from hell.

 

[Nick M]

It compares the crash of the pentagon to other crashed planes. The grass two feet infront of the building was never even touched.

Quite the fireball. Quite the HC explosion. Missles explode, but not with a fireball like this. They have shrapnel in them, not kerosene.

 

[Nick M]

http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0515/news_1-1.html

Read the link from engineers explaining why the towers collapse. Most is actually common sense, unlike the conspircay idiots that say things like steel melts at a certain temperature, and kerosene doesnt burn that hot. Even though the steel does not melt, it gets very soft, collapsing the floor. But read and learn.

 

[Nick M]

From Skeptic magazine, something conspiracy theorists should delve into, reality.
9/11:
A Date That Will Live in Infamy
review by Richard Morrock

David Ray Griffin’s fanciful tale of Bush administration complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attack is a perfect example of the kind of conspiratorial thinking discussed by George Case in Skeptic Vol. 11 No. 4. There isn’t much to be learned about the fateful events from Griffin’s silly book, but he gives us some useful insight into the origins of paranoia.

Most writers on a subject do what is called research on the material, which means reading books, conducting interviews, and tracking down documents. This consumes far too much time and effort for conspiracy buffs like Griffin. His approach consists of asking disturbing questions, ignoring the actual evidence, speculating about the possible answers, assuming the worst-case scenario, and then drawing up his indictment of the administration based on his assumptions, even where they are in flagrant contradiction to widely-known facts.

Starting with the dubious “who benefits argument?”, Griffin concludes that since President George W. Bush profited in terms of political capital from the 9/11 attacks, he had to be behind them. Given that premise, he argues that the U.S. government masterminded the whole catastrophe from beginning to end, with the al-Qaeda hijackers being either innocent bystanders or U.S. secret agents. The planes that hit the World Trade Center — Flights 11 and 175 — were actually piloted by remote control, with their command center at No. 7 WTC, the 45-story office building across a narrow side street from the North Tower. In addition, the impact of the planes did not cause the buildings to collapse; that was the work of controlled explosions set off inside the Towers. As for the Pentagon, it was a guided missile or, no, maybe a military plane that hit the building, with Flight 77 disappearing inside the smoke and flames. And Flight 93, which crashed in Shanksville, PA, was actually shot down by the U.S. military because the passengers were on the brink of taking it over. The Bush administration didn’t want the hijackers taken alive, Griffin insists, because they presumably could have proven their innocence. How strange that 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui should have been kept alive after the 9/11 events, not to mention the mastermind of the affair, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, captured in Pakistan and now in U.S. custody.

One of the points Griffin raises is why the South Tower collapsed half an hour before the North Tower, although it was struck 15 minutes later. From this alleged discrepancy in the official story, Griffin concludes that the government had planted explosives in the WTC the previous weekend, using a power blackout as cover, and had dynamited the buildings. He never considers the other explanation: the South Tower collapsed faster because the plane impacted on a lower floor, and more floors were therefore set on fire. Any glance at the photograph of the second impact will show this.

He fails to explain why the government would have waited nearly an hour to explode its bombs in the South Tower, which would have allowed many people to escape; the North Tower didn’t collapse for one and 3/4 hours, and nearly all of the WTC workers who died were in the impacted floors or above. Did Bush’s remote control have a low battery?

Griffin actually does claim that No. 7 WTC, which collapsed at 5:20 pm, was blown up by explosives, and this is taken as proof that Washington was behind it. But what would the motive be? Blowing up an already-evacuated office building after thousands had died in the Twin Towers would seem like a waste of dynamite, not to mention office space. Did Bush think that public opinion had not been sufficiently inflamed by the 3,000 deaths? Do most Americans even know that a third office building, far smaller than the Towers, was also lost on that day? Griffin never explores that possibility that No. 7 was demolished because it had been contaminated by the white dust from the nearby North Tower. Explosives were used because, at 45 stories, No. 7 was too tall for a wrecking crane.

Jet fuel is kerosene, argues Griffin. Kerosene could not have caused a fire hot enough to melt steel, which happened at the Twin Towers. Perhaps Griffin has never attended a barbecue, where kerosene is used to ignite charcoal briquettes, and the charcoal fire then cooks the food. Something similar happened at the Twin Towers, where the jet fuel ignited carpets, furniture, books and papers, which then produced enough heat to bring down the burning floors; their impact on the floors below produced the force that led to the Towers’ collapse.

There is the question of what Bush knew on the morning of 9/11 and when he knew it. Some have claimed that Bush was lying when he said he saw the first impact on the Twin Towers, since there had been no live coverage of that attack; the second impact, about 15 minutes later, was covered by cameramen photographing the fire from the first. It would seem likely that when Bush watched the second crash on TV, as he waited to enter the 2nd-grade classroom in Florida where he was planning to read My Pet Goat, he mistakenly thought he was watching the first. Not until about 20 minutes later was he informed that there were two crashes, indicating a terrorist attack rather than an accident, and at that point he started to look worried. About six or seven minutes later, he left the school.

Well, why wasn’t he, or his staff, concerned about his being targeted by the terrorists? Doesn’t that prove, as Griffin indicates, that Bush was aware he was in no danger, and therefore involved in the attack? Not necessarily, given that both attacks were in New York, a thousand miles from Florida, and the attack on the Pentagon hadn’t happened yet. Furthermore, it is unlikely that the hijackers could have singled out the Sarasota elementary school; all of their targets were highly visible landmarks which could be identified from many miles away, whereas urban areas have numerous indistinguishable schools.

Why wasn’t the Air Force ordered to shoot down Flight 77 as it streaked through the sky on its way to hit the Pentagon? The official 9/11 Commission story is that planes were sent north to intercept Flight 11, with the White House and Pentagon unaware that it had already crashed in New York, and that the threat was coming from another plane, heading in from the west. Griffin believes that Vice President Dick Cheney, in charge of the situation in Washington while Bush was flying to Nebraska in Air Force One, deliberately avoided intercepting Flight 77 so that the Pentagon would be struck. One wonders what Donald Rumsfeld, still in his office at the Pentagon, might have had to say about that! Griffin asks why the Pentagon wasn’t evacuated, but never considers the fact that the government had no idea which target in the Washington area had been selected by the terrorists. Nor does he concern himself with the political fallout if an enemy attack on United States soil had been followed by our military leadership fleeing in panic from their still-intact offices.

Then there is the matter of the disappearing wreckage at the Pentagon, of which conspiracy buffs have made much. Photographs taken in the immediate aftermath of the impact show no sign of airplane debris. That must mean that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, implicating our diabolical government once again. Official accounts indicate that Flight 77 smashed through several of the concentric rings that make up the Pentagon, so that the wreckage all came to rest well inside the building.

Flight 93, which crashed in rural Pennsylvania as the passengers attempted to wrest it back from the hijackers, may actually represent the one instance where Griffin does cast some light on the matter. The original official story had it that the passengers made their way into the cockpit, but that the plane crashed during the brief struggle. Later, it was announced that the passengers never made it through the door, and the government speculated that the pilot, Ziad Jarrah, downed the plane as the desperate fight broke out in the passenger compartment. Of course, given the fact that Jarrah planned to sacrifice his life for this mission, it doesn’t seem likely that he would have aborted it while there was still some chance of success. Griffin indicates that open cell phone lines recorded two explosions during the fight, followed by the sound of rushing wind; he reports an eyewitness saying that the plane disintegrated in the air, and mentions that one engine was found a mile and a half from the rest of the debris.

This is proof to Griffin that the Air Force downed Flight 93 with a missile, making the government responsible for the deaths of the heroic passengers who nearly foiled the fourth hijacking. He backs up this improbable claim by mentioning that someone saw a white military plane in the sky near the hijacked flight, overlooking the detail that military planes on such a mission would travel in formations of two or more, and that they are rarely white.

Griffin also mentions that the Flight 93 hijackers declared that they had a bomb when they took over the plane, but that the passengers regarded this as a bluff. He never considers the possibility that the hijackers were not bluffing, and that they set off the bomb (more likely two) when they were rushed by the passengers. This would account for the explosions, the sound of the wind on the cell phones, the crash of the plane, the engine landing more than a mile from the fuselage, and the peculiar path of the flight in the last few minutes before it crashed. In the map in the 9/11 report, Flight 93 makes a U-turn in northern Ohio after being hijacked, and then heads southeast, in a straight line, aiming directly for Washington. While over western Pennsylvania, it veers to the left and then makes a clockwise semi-circle, as if Jarrah has suddenly found it impossible to steer. Was this the result of a missile, a fight in the passenger compartment, or the desperate hijackers setting off their bombs?

The 9/11 attacks made Americans feel helpless, even more so than our defeat in Vietnam. Theories of administration complicity in 9/11, based on total denial of even the most self-evident facts, serve as a defense against these admittedly uncomfortable feelings, and allow us to feel omnipotent once again. Our government is all-powerful and all-knowing; a bunch of Middle Eastern fanatics couldn’t possibly take us by surprise, could they? Better a government that’s totally evil than one which leaves us helpless in the face of foreign terrorists.

 

[Fuzz420]

Fuzz,

Do you understand any of the info you posted? It sounds like to me that the author (of the original info, not you Fuzz) is trying to baffle people with bullshit. For instance:

48 million kg's (105,821,885 pounds/53k tons) = 26,455 yards of concrete. And that's 3,000 psi concrete, the cheap stuff used to pour driveways, house foundations & low end commercial construction.

When I helped design the Four Seasons Hotel in Miami, a 67 floor high rise, I designed one footing that was 70' wide x 210' long x 18' deep. That's 9,800 yards of concrete, more than 40% (based on 3k psi concrete) of what your author is claiming was used in a structure that is 50% larger than the Four Seasons Miami.

For the footing I mentioned above, a 12k psi mix was used. This mixed weighs approx 7700 lbs/yard. That's a whole new can of worms, isn't it?

So, WTC has approx 53k tons of concrete in the entire structure, & the Four Seasons Miami has 37.7k tons in one footing. Are you seeing the discrepancy here?

No im not mathematicial, tho i try i real hard, math isnt for me. I know on this board theres lot of people in tech fields and they use physics and such accordingly. So i figured somone would have fun crunching numbers, disproving it or whatever.

*edit a nice little video i watch a while back

Red Pill

or can take the

Blue Pill

More Info[/ur]

even more stuff [url]www.prisonplanet.com

even more bored www.http://meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/secret_societies.htm some fun stuff to read there

 

[rakkasan]

No im no mathematicial, tho i try i real hard, math isnt for me. I know on this board theres a lot of people in tech fields and they use physics and such accordingly. So i figured somone would have fun crunching numbers, disproving it or whatever.

LOL, it's my job. Literally! I'm a commercial construction designer, so the info you cut & pasted just looked off. Way off, actually.

I did watch the pseudo documentary & I have to admit that it does raise an eyebrow or two, but the narrator discredited himself too many times to be taken seriously. At first he asks why the glass in the Pentagon wasn't shattered, then later he asks why the terrorist would hit the only side that had been upgraded with 2" explosion proof window. He also also asked why the hole left in the Pentagon wasn't bigger than it was, but later he pointed out that the plane had penetrated over 9 feet of reinforced concrete.

The biggest blow to the credibility came when said a B-52 flew into the Empire State Bldg in 1944, when in fact it was a B-25. Maybe it was a slip, but before you attack someone elses story, by damn sure your facts are straight or you discredit yourself quickly, which he did.

 

[rakkasan]

*edit a nice little video i watch a while back

Red Pill

or can take the

Blue Pill

More Info[/ur]

even more stuff [url]www.prisonplanet.com

even more bored www.http://meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/secret_societies.htm some fun stuff to read there

george humphrey, eh? I seem to recall a connection between he & the Neo Nazi's in Texas, but I degress....

 

[Wills7MGTE]

I am almost sick of hearing about terrorists and 9/11 and why we r fighting in Iraq yet never stopped al queda or usama bin retard. Bush is about as smart and credible as a crack head being picked up by the police. A plane DID NOT hit the pentagon, if so it was a very small plane or more likely a missle, maybe even a tomahawk. Also I beleive 93 was shot down and the passengers did nothing because they were brought down before they could, the story most likely a fabrication of the CIA, NSA, OR Pnetagon hard to tell and really doesn't matter. I'm sure tons of you disagree but do not repost arguing with me because I could care less and more so don't wanna hear it. They key to life is saving yourself and getting yours, anything else is gravy.

 

[Supracentral]

I'm sure tons of you disagree but do not repost arguing with me because I could care less and more so don't wanna hear it.

Then do not post in this section. Posting your opinion and then telling people not to reply to it is specifically prohibited:

Political and religious views are accepted..however, please respect somebodys position on the stated topic, if you disagree state so, and be prepared to back up your opinion. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD not an "I'm right and you're wrong" board.

This is a public forum. Once you make a thread, be prepared for other people to post in it, and possibly ask questions or bring up topics that may seem tangential. You DO NOT own a thread simply because you are the thread starter.

 

[Fuzz420]

george humphrey, eh? I seem to recall a connection between he & the Neo Nazi's in Texas, but I degress....

your good, i like your style :naughty:

Ill be back with more, theres one particular video is much better than the one posted, it has been removed from google i searched up and down. God bless the U.S.A

 

[Nick M]

I am almost sick of hearing about terrorists and 9/11

You know they wouldn't hesitate to rape your mother in front of you and hang your ass from the celiing after lopping your dome off. But don't sweat them, they aren't a real threat.

and why we r fighting in Iraq

The Arab people have not so far fulfilled their duties. They are called upon to target U.S. and Zionist interests everywhere and target those who protect these interests.

November 25, 2000

The Pre 9-11 mentality has returned to you. I guess that is ok. We have a volunteer military for a reason. You sit there and barbaque and badmouth, others will do the dirty work for you. As Secratary of State, the honorable Codeleezza Rice stated about Iraq,

Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.

And of course Michael Moore in farenhate 9-11 used editing to show her saying "Oh indeed there is a tie between Iraq adn what happened on 9-11" but nothing else, implying we accused Iraq of the specifics of the attack. We didnt. And the left knows. Dishonest fucks.

yet never stopped al queda or usama bin retard. Bush is about as smart and credible as a crack head being picked up by the police

That was a well thought out rebuttal. Well done.

A plane DID NOT hit the pentagon, if so it was a very small plane or more likely a missle, maybe even a tomahawk.

Where is your evidence. I showed overwhelming evidence of the two planes hitting the WTC. Show yours.

Also I beleive 93 was shot down and the passengers did nothing because they were brought down before they could, the story most likely a fabrication of the CIA, NSA, OR Pnetagon hard to tell and really doesn't matter. I'm sure tons of you disagree but do not repost arguing with me because I could care less and more so don't wanna hear it. They key to life is saving yourself and getting yours, anything else is gravy.

Tell that to Todd Beamers parents " Let's Roll!!!"

 

[Nick M]

Oh yeah, Bush lied about Iraq, they were not a threat.

Iraqi intelligence documents from 1992 list Osama bin Laden as an Iraqi intelligence asset. Numerous sources have reported a 1993 nonaggression pact between Iraq and al Qaeda. The former deputy director of Iraqi intelligence now in U.S. custody says that bin Laden asked the Iraqi regime for arms and training in a face-to-face meeting in 1994. Senior al Qaeda leader Abu Hajer al Iraqi met with Iraqi intelligence officials in 1995. The National Security Agency intercepted telephone conversations between al Qaeda-supported Sudanese military officials and the head of Iraq's chemical weapons program in 1996. Al Qaeda sent Abu Abdallah al Iraqi to Iraq for help with weapons of mass destruction in 1997. An indictment from the Clinton-era Justice Department cited Iraqi assistance on al Qaeda "weapons development" in 1998. A senior Clinton administration counterterrorism official told the Washington Post that the U.S. government was "sure" Iraq had supported al Qaeda chemical weapons programs in 1999. An Iraqi working closely with the Iraqi embassy in Kuala Lumpur was photographed with September 11 hijacker Khalid al Mihdhar en route to a planning meeting for the bombing of the USS Cole and the September 11 attacks in 2000. Satellite photographs showed al Qaeda members in 2001 traveling en masse to a compound in northern Iraq financed, in part, by the Iraqi regime. Abu Musab al Zarqawi, senior al Qaeda associate, operated openly in Baghdad and received medical attention at a regime-supported hospital in 2002. Documents discovered in postwar Iraq in 2003 reveal that Saddam's regime harbored and supported Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center attack.

And because of this intelligence that Dick Cheney invented will the head of Halliburton. the Dumocratic leaders at the time said;

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I b elieve that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

But Bush lied. See the whole conspiracy bullshit is based on Bush made it all up in 2001, after 9-11 as an oil grab....:nono:

 

[Nick M]

I highly recomend renting or buying a DVD called "Saddam Hussein, Weapon of Mass Destruction" to learn of his rise to power and fall. It is packed with facts, and horror stories from the Iraqi people that you can use every time angry liberals spout lies about the Global war on Terror(radical islam)

I can also recomend some links packed with FACTS

http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

http://www.jrwhipple.com/war/wmd.html#Hypocrats

From which much of my copy and paste came from

 

[Nick M]

Like I said, call the soldiers war mongers, oil profiteers or badmouth them however you like. They dont like it or want to hear, but the difference between you and them is they will fight for your rights. And you would cut him off in traffic. Dont sweat it, he has your back.

 

[rakkasan]

I am almost sick of hearing about terrorists and 9/11 and why we r fighting in Iraq yet never stopped al queda or usama bin retard. Bush is about as smart and credible as a crack head being picked up by the police. A plane DID NOT hit the pentagon, if so it was a very small plane or more likely a missle, maybe even a tomahawk. Also I beleive 93 was shot down and the passengers did nothing because they were brought down before they could, the story most likely a fabrication of the CIA, NSA, OR Pnetagon hard to tell and really doesn't matter. I'm sure tons of you disagree but do not repost arguing with me because I could care less and more so don't wanna hear it. They key to life is saving yourself and getting yours, anything else is gravy.

LOL, close your eyes, plug your ears, stomp your feet & swear it's true...