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[thechori]

((89 N/A 5-speed)) my friends helped replace my starter maybe 2 weeks ago, only problem with the new one was the thing that the thing that holds the power cord to it was broken, and was barely staying on. so i got under the car and used some household cement on it and it worked like a charm for a few days. but then yesterday i took the car to school and it when i went back out, the car wouldn't start, so i get under again and check it out, but it's on there perfectly, didn't look like it was intercepting any of the conductivity but i ripped off all of the cement anyway (more like super glue) and stuck it back on; tried to start it back up, nothing. so we ended up push starting it, that worked (always does :]).


LATER that night, i went to check up on the car, and it started, i was surprised, but now i'm confused, because ALSO... the lights on the inside of the car stopped working all of a sudden as well (the ones so you can see the speedometer and all that at night), could this be relevant in anyway?

ANOTHER PROBLEM...this one i am more concerned with...... i came to a red light, fully stopped, light turned green and when i started accelerating i got to maybe 2500rpm in 3rd gear, and the car begins to just DIE, i start to freak b/c as i give it more gas, the faster it wanted to die, so i figited with the clutch and the gas pedal, then eventually shifted down and i somehow got the car running normal again. this has never happened to me and it definitely scared the crap outta me, couldn't have been a leak unless it decided to seal up somehow, do you guys have ANY idea what could've caused this?

oh yea, i ran a diagnosis, and the only code it gave me was [12] when i couldn't get the car started

sorry for the long post, any suggestions are greatly appreciated :1zhelp:

 

[1988SupraDreams]

Sounds to me like all three problems are related to your battery and your grounding. Check the TSRM for all of your grounding points on the Supra, clean them, and reinstall them. Then check your battery terminals, use some protectant, and clean them, and make sure they are snug. And also, I'd get a new connector for the starter and solder it in if I was you, my old NA engine had the same problem. Oh, and if this doesnt work, test your battery, if it sucks... get a new one.

What did the car do when you tried to start it? Two clicks and nothing? Or did it crank and not start? If all you got were clicks, then my above diagnosis is most likely your problem.

 

[thechori]

Sounds to me like all three problems are related to your battery and your grounding. Check the TSRM for all of your grounding points on the Supra, clean them, and reinstall them. Then check your battery terminals, use some protectant, and clean them, and make sure they are snug. And also, I'd get a new connector for the starter and solder it in if I was you, my old NA engine had the same problem. Oh, and if this doesnt work, test your battery, if it sucks... get a new one.

What did the car do when you tried to start it? Two clicks and nothing? Or did it crank and not start? If all you got were clicks, then my above diagnosis is most likely your problem.

well the battery terminals are relatively new, i replaced them maybe 2 months ago

and on the clicking, i'm not sure if it's clicking b/c when i'm turning the key i can't hear anything from the engine bay (but the starter isn't even turning, hence no cranking)

not sure if it could be the battery, everything else in the car works fine while i'm trying to start the car

thanks for the feedback though, appreciate it alot

 

[Nick M]

Good job on a proper explination of what your symptoms.


There are two wires on the starter. A big one and a little one. Which are you refering to, and what is both of their conditions. If your big wire was loose, you could have some burned fuses as of now.

Those burned lights may or may not be relevant. When you lose everything in the car electrically, the fusable link is burned. But said everything works now but starting.

That makes me think it is the small wire on the starter. Your car will not crank if it does not have a good connection. Get a wire repair kit from somewhere. Autozone if you have to.

If it starts after repair, and the dash lights work, head to the fuse panel. The Dome fuse powers the light control unit, called the integration relay by Toyota. And the instrument panel/combination meter is powered by a fuse called Gauge.

 

[jdub]

Code 12 is the rpm signal to the ECU...no NE or G signal to the ECU in 2 sec after the car is cranked. At least one G signal must be present for the car to crank...this code points to the distributor or the starter signal circuit. The test for the distributor is in the IG section of the TRSM.

 

[thechori]

Good job on a proper explination of what your symptoms.


There are two wires on the starter. A big one and a little one. Which are you refering to, and what is both of their conditions. If your big wire was loose, you could have some burned fuses as of now.

Those burned lights may or may not be relevant. When you lose everything in the car electrically, the fusable link is burned. But said everything works now but starting.

That makes me think it is the small wire on the starter. Your car will not crank if it does not have a good connection. Get a wire repair kit from somewhere. Autozone if you have to.

If it starts after repair, and the dash lights work, head to the fuse panel. The Dome fuse powers the light control unit, called the integration relay by Toyota. And the instrument panel/combination meter is powered by a fuse called Gauge.

thanks for the reply,

the plug that keeps coming undone on the starter is the small one i believe, the tip is colored brown. the car wouldn't start today, but i messed with it and got it on so i'm 99.8% sure that's the issue, i'll definitely go check for the wire repair kit, but is that to fix the actual WIRE? or the plug? because in my car, it's just the plug that's not staying on

 

[johnathan1]

You can probably get a non-broken plug at the junkyard, and just slide the pin(s) out of your connector, and snap them into the new connector. easy.

 

[Nick M]

You need a new clip. Or a used one in good condition. It does not need to be a Supra starter, just a Toyota to be a decent chance at a match.

 

[supramacist]

1. You must be a string bean mofo if you can crawl up and get underneath your car. The jack that came with my 91 is ass...., who the F are they kidding. 2. Aside from what everyone else is saying to do I would break out the trusty volt meter and measure my currents, not just the light bulb type.

That will not tell you of internal wire corrosion.

 

[Nick M]

You are correct about the meter being superior to the test light, especially when some circuits are very low amperage. But a test light is ok on a starter.

 

[supramacist]

Ya.. I would not see any reason to not agree with that..., because you aren't tracing you are just checking to see if it's hot.