Spoilers and Wings: Spoiler or wing

[rodel]

Chris Rado's Scion with a front GT wing

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gallery.php/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=55378

:opcorn::

Rodel, buddy of mine is thinking of rocking a wing of that nature on his FC, at least roof-height. Granted, we have a spare engine to throw in this thing before that's done, and said engine will have more than adequate power to justify it.

I just wanna look fast. :icon_razz

 

[suprarx7nut]

Downforce on the back wheels is all well and good to balance weight ratio and all that, but I think you're missing a HUGE problem. I'm by no means a FWD expert or a Guru or anything and I haven't gone through the trouble of trying to run through this with physics calculations but:

FWD: Front wheels steer. Front wheels drive. Front wheels do majority of braking. Rear wheels distribute load, but serve little purpose regarding handling characteristics. Additional downforce on rear removes load from front wheels and reduces your ability to both steer and accelerate. You lose the much needed friction on the front tires to brake, steer and accelerate.
RWD: Front wheels steer. Front wheels do most braking. Rear wheels drive. Added rear downforce removes load from front tires for steering but increases load for driving wheels.

In a RWD or AWD car, weight balance is great. You get good weight up front, good weight rear and it's even enough that handling is predictable and managable.
FWD, weight balance is not necessarily good. At all. Weight on the rear is not very effective. A larger concentration of weight over the front wheels makes more sense in my limited knowledge scope.

Do with that what you will...

 

[87GWSupra]

Wow ricer wings bring out the smartest of people. How about no wing or factory wing. Unless you're doing track racing I see no point in them besides making your car look like a piece of sh$t.

I was gunna put a wing on my civic to help the rear be more predictable while I drift it.....

 

[87M-GTE]

Go double wing! lol, this car pulls it off IMO and looks badass..



I've always really liked this wing as well..

 

[rodel]

Go double wing! lol, this car pulls it off IMO and looks badass..
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[Another MkIII]

Go double wing! lol, this car pulls it off IMO and looks badass..
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I've always really liked this wing as well..
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Double wing is NEVER OK! That second one doesn't look bad, but its not my style.
-AM3

 

[89niner]

No wing! wings attract too much attention from the wrong people, ie- police, punk kids that drive hondas with loud exhausts and think they're car is faster than yours so they do the speed up and slow down crap next to you trying to get you to race and annoying you with the sound that comes from stock diameter piping and a 4in. diameter muffler. And stock wings look cool too..... hondas suck lol

 

[te72]

I dont know about the double wing, but I like the Gracer wing. If anyone sees one for sale, hit me up!

I forget his name on here, but lives in FL, has had some sweet wheels and hard to find body bits for sale over the years, he had one of the Trust/Greddy F40 wings for sale last year. Had I not already bought the Regulus, I might have picked that one up, they suit our cars well.

 

[destrux]

Spoilers/wings do help on a fwd when you're going through high speed turns. You could alleviate high speed oversteer like that by putting wider tires in the rear, or by removing the rear sway bar... but that would make the car understeer worse at low speed. The wing has little effect below highway speeds, so it won't make the car understeer worse at low speed.

I usually prefer the look of the factory spoilers on most cars. They set the car apart from the lesser models, makes it look special. Some cars look terrible without it (ie. 93' Mazda MX-6), some cars look terrible with it (merkur XR4Ti), but supras seem to look nice both ways.

 

[rodel]

I forget his name on here, but lives in FL, has had some sweet wheels and hard to find body bits for sale over the years, he had one of the Trust/Greddy F40 wings for sale last year. Had I not already bought the Regulus, I might have picked that one up, they suit our cars well.

I actually contacted him about the greddy wing. I was a little late. I still want to rock the greddy wing.

 

[tfhorst]

I agree with everything you said suprarx7nut. What is different in our views on this is the bassic assumtion of the person putting a wing on there fwd car, you are speaking from a standpoint that some fool just puts a wing on there 300hp honda. I am assuming that he is also upgrading his air dam and undercariage to making the wing on the back part of a system to improve highspeed handeling. I have been that guy with a big wing on a car that doesn't really need it (scirocco) just the wing? Crap. The wing with a body kit? Like dipping your tires in elmers. (Please note that I said elmers not superglue)

 

[te72]

(Please note that I said elmers not superglue)

All I remember about Elmers is that it would make things slide all over the place when you tried to press papers together as a kid...

 

[89niner]

All I remember about Elmers is that it would make things slide all over the place when you tried to press papers together as a kid...

and didn't taste very good

 

[tfhorst]

i'm sure they have a arts and crafts class at your local college, maybe it's time to go back to school and learn how to use glue, after all knowing if half the battle!
they found that so many kids were eating elmers they made it taste better. no joke you can actually find flavors out there for the discerning past eater.

 

[Quin]

No.

 

[rodel]

Back on topic....What's wrong with you anti-big wing people? Big wings are cool.

 

[89niner]

Back on topic....What's wrong with you anti-big wing people? Big wings are cool.

ummm no.

 

[mytmk3]

wonder what this would look like on a mk3

 

[rodel]

ummm no.

Show us your styling prowess against this car:

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by showing us your small winged/ non-winged car.

 

[89niner]

Stock with no wing, and IMHO stock cars (and trucks) travel at speeds of 170 mph+ and don't have giant obnoxios wings on the back. And i have already stated that wings attract much uneeded attention thats just my opinion you don't have to get your panties in a bunch just because you live life a quater mile at a time.