Transmission Question!

Burntz

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haha, wow, not good. i hope you didnt do any real damage to the tranny. Id check the fluid again in week or so, see what else pops up. remember in an auto tranny, you have fluid not only in the pan, but up in the torque converter and everything too. Total, you have about 7 quarts (im guessing). Did he do a FULLL flush? As in did he just drop the pan, change the filter, and put new fluid in (4 quarts ish), or did he flush it all out of the torque converter too? If not, it will contaminate your new fluid...
 

mjmendoza

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Burntz said:
haha, wow, not good. i hope you didnt do any real damage to the tranny. Id check the fluid again in week or so, see what else pops up. remember in an auto tranny, you have fluid not only in the pan, but up in the torque converter and everything too. Total, you have about 7 quarts (im guessing). Did he do a FULLL flush? As in did he just drop the pan, change the filter, and put new fluid in (4 quarts ish), or did he flush it all out of the torque converter too? If not, it will contaminate your new fluid...

How would i flush it from the torque converter? I was watching him do the service..i just saw him take out the pan and drained it but i dont know if he drained the torque converter.
 

cuel

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You said that the fluid and filter were black. What did the pan look like inside? Was it coated black or silver? Did the fluid have a metallic look, like metal flake paint? Were there any metal chunks or slivers? Some domestic(Ford, iirc) torque converters have a drain plug in them; don't know if Toyota's do, though. If it doesn't, the only good way to drain the torque converter is to take it out, flip it neck down on a 5 gal. bucket with a hole cut in the middle of the top, and let it stay there for a few hrs. If you're gonna go through all that, you might as well put a new one in, or get yours(t.c.) rebuilt before you put it back in.

http://cygnusx1.net/Supra/TechTips/transmission_error_codes.aspx
Trans codes, and what they mean.
http://cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?Section=AT&Page=114
This is the location of the #2 Solenoid. If you take down the pan, you'll be able to see the lower valve body, and find that solenoid. You could replace it, but you need to check the connections and wiring to it as well. You can see there's 3 strainers in the valve body, and those are probably pretty crudy as well.

There are certain areas of a car that should really only be repaired by professionals, and the trans. is one of them. You can get one bolt out of place, and mess up how the trans. operates. Honestly, it might be time to consider a rebuild on the whole trans. with a new t.c., but you can try changing the solenoid first. Might last a week, might last a year or more...

Here's a couple links to rebuild kits:
http://www.drivetrain.com/toyota_car_dt.htm#Supra A43DE
http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=2&Product_Code=97006F
http://www.importperformancetrans.com/toyotaauto.shtml#main
(googled "Toyota transmission rebuild kit")
 

cuel

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No, I mean there's a possibility that they're plugged up with clutch material or metal shavings. They're very fine screens, meant to catch debris in the valve body. Actually, I'm more concerned with what was in the pan. It tells a lot about the condition of your trans.
 

mjmendoza

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im not sure what the pan looked like because i wasnt there when the drained the old fluid.. i went to drop my brother off at home...then i went back...i think the pan was just black a little...can you tell me your concerns
 

cuel

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Black a little... okay. If the bottom of the pan was coated black, or worse, silver, then you can expect a rebuild in short order. If there's a magnet in the pan(should be), how much metal was on it? Smooth coating of dust, or did it look like Don King on a bad hair day? The more black stuff in the pan, the less amount of friction material that's left on the clutches. Did the guy bother to wash the pan out, or just dump out the fluid and bolt it right back up?
The likely reason your trans. started acting up again is because the fluid is still really dirty, and that crap is getting caught in the valve body. How does the fluid look now when you check it? You could drain the fluid, drop and clean the pan, and change the filter a dozen+ times and not get all the dirt out. Most of the fluid in the trans. is above the valve body, and in the torque converter.
You should have your trans. checked as soon as you can. The problem is only gonna get worse, and cause more problems. Find a competent trans. shop in your area. A good trans. shop is gonna be very clean(floors, tables, tools), and deal with trans.'s only. Have them diagnose it and give you an estimate to fix it. Go to more than one shop, and compare what they say.

You could just change the solenoid, and it will probably fix the shifting issue, but its possible it will get dirty and start sticking again.
 

mjmendoza

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cuel said:
Black a little... okay. If the bottom of the pan was coated black, or worse, silver, then you can expect a rebuild in short order. If there's a magnet in the pan(should be), how much metal was on it? Smooth coating of dust, or did it look like Don King on a bad hair day? The more black stuff in the pan, the less amount of friction material that's left on the clutches. Did the guy bother to wash the pan out, or just dump out the fluid and bolt it right back up?
The likely reason your trans. started acting up again is because the fluid is still really dirty, and that crap is getting caught in the valve body. How does the fluid look now when you check it? You could drain the fluid, drop and clean the pan, and change the filter a dozen+ times and not get all the dirt out. Most of the fluid in the trans. is above the valve body, and in the torque converter.
You should have your trans. checked as soon as you can. The problem is only gonna get worse, and cause more problems. Find a competent trans. shop in your area. A good trans. shop is gonna be very clean(floors, tables, tools), and deal with trans.'s only. Have them diagnose it and give you an estimate to fix it. Go to more than one shop, and compare what they say.

You could just change the solenoid, and it will probably fix the shifting issue, but its possible it will get dirty and start sticking again.
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The guy cleaned the pan i saw him do that....thanks for helping me out...i appreciate it.. ill go to shops and see what them say...
 

Burntz

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I'm pretty sure i posted earlier... you need to have them do a running flush, continuously running fluid through it, while shifting gears etc, untilt he fluid has no color change at all. I think alot of tire places even do this...

Just dropping the pan and changing fluid + filter is a 3 day bandaid. If you want to try to save the tranny, completely flush it.