Paintball gurus, need help!

SupraMario

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I need to know some info on HPA stuff. If any of you know what Im talkin about.
What size tank should I get?
What PSI rating?
Where should I buy?
Cost is a concern, I dont wanna spend more than $80.
And Lastly, Brands, any prefference?

I have a feeling No one is going to be able to help me.:3d_frown:
 

Merlyn

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Are you running CO2 or Nitrogen.. I highly recommend if you are running any type of electrical gun to collect the money and get a Nitrogen tank. Size usually is "the bigger the better", larger size = more balls per tank. 20oz is as large as you are really going to find in CO2. Smart Parts makes a good tank, don't go cheap... but still depending on the gun you have, i recommend Nitrogen.

Not sure what HPA is... but I am assuming you are talking in regards to a tank.
 

Merlyn

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Well... if you have NO2... then you are not going to find a tank for $80... my tank was on sale for $168 I believe... Paintball is expensive... and $80 will not find you a tank...
www.paintballgear.com where I buy all my stuff... action village... CO2 can kill eletronics... so you want NO2....

you can get a 3000psi tank for under $80, but that is going to need refills a lot... 4500psi is the route to go...
 

SupraMario

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LOL, I know PB is expensive, I've been playing for almost 8+ years now.
RAP4 LE = $600
T68 = $300
Now I just bought a ATS Tach. 4 = $750
this isnt including the random guns I've owned over the years, numerous tipmanns and spiders, I'm a mili sim guy, I dont like speed ball, or elec. markers. Spray and Pray is boring to me.
Edit: scratch that last part, I'm reading up on it right now. 4500, 68ci ftw.
 
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foreverpsycotic

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i picked up my 3000psi for 120 i think. not carbon wrapped tho. i go through a full tank in over a day of playing, and i think it is a 68ci. i also shoot about a case a day (in dire need of sponsorship).
 

Keros

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It's been a while since I've been in the paintball scene, so correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, this is what I remember.

HPA and "nitrogen" are the same thing (air is 78% nitrogen anyway).

Firstly, what type of marker are you hooking this unit up to? Some markers are high pressure (HP) [some autocockers, stacked tube open bolt blowbacks (aka spyders, fishy's, ect], some are low pressure (LP) [timmy's, angels, some autocockers, impulses, shockers, ect]... if you hook a HP tank straight onto an LP marker, bad things will happen; a LP tank on a HP marker, and it simply won't cycle properly.

HPA tank kits generally come in 3 types: HP, LP, and adjustable reg. Unlike most (if not all) CO2 tanks, HPA tanks generally have a regulator that is the neck of the bottle (Exept in a few cases). Adjustable regs are expensive but have the advantage that they'll carry over to your next marker much easier (if you have an HP marker and buy a HP tank, and then later switch to a LP marker, you'll have to run a secondary regulator to bring the pressure down or change the tank regulator). If you buy an LP tank and switch to an HP marker, you're screwed.

HPA tanks, unlike CO2, require a regulator in some form or another. I have a Nitro Duck 4500psi 110ci tank (yes, it's a beast), the tank itself has a wierd 2.5 turn widethread nozzle on it that only screws into the Nitro Duck regulator that it came with... but most average tanks' nozzles double as the regulator (as previously mentioned).

If you have a high performance marker that's hyper sensitive to pressure spikes, a secondary regulator in the foregrip is pretty damn good at keeping your selenoid intact, as that built-on tank regs aren't very smooth at delivering constant flow and constant pressure.

One last thing, is to always keep any oils far, far away from the fill nozzle of your HPA tank or bad bad things can happen. Also, avoid dropping your tank whenever possible and always have a good tank cover on it in the field... if you cut (fiberglass) or dent (steel) the tank, most places should (by law) refuse to fill it for you :(

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To answer your questions directly, as best I can:

What size tank should I get?

Depends on where you play and how long you play for. If you're taking +500 shots per game, a 68ci tank may not hold out if your marker isn't efficient. A 110ci tank is almost literally twice the physical size of a 68ci (and three times the length of a 68ci stubbie). If you're a speedballer that needs to play tight at the front, a smaller tank will benifit your game alot. The bigger the tank, the heavier the tank... but a 68ci steel tank weighs the same as a 110ci carbon fibre wrap tank. Carbon Fibre wrap isn't cheap though, but after a long day of packing around a fully loaded marker, your arm with thank you.

You can run remote lines if you don't want to pack your tank attached to your marker. Remember that a tank is an easy target and will break paint everytime... so having a giant tank can be a liability no matter where it is.

What PSI rating?

Last I knew, there was 3000psi/4500psi/5000psi. The difference is price. 5k tanks are wicked expensive, 3k tanks are cheap like bourche. Steel tanks are generally always 3000psi, carbon fibre is generally always 4500... When I last followed paintball, the only 5000psi tank on the market was the Thor 5000 system (*drool*).

Having a 5000psi tank is cool and all... but outside of tournament level play, there's very few places that can fill that high (A compressor for that kind of pressure is 30-50 thousand dollars, and loud as f&*k). Check around to find out what local places can fill tanks to... there's no point in buying a 4500 tank only to find out your local shops only fill to less than 3000psi. Scuba siphon fills are generally under 2500psi as well... so be wary of going full out on a sweet 4500 tank because there may be no use for that extra 1500psi.

So, in short, PSI ratings is a question of practicality and economics... if you can afford it, get a 4500 system if you can get it filled. Otherwise, don't bother wasting your money.

Where should I buy?

Someplace recommended by your pball buddies.

Cost is a concern, I dont wanna spend more than $80.

In all honesty, check around for some prices and figure out what you want. If you can get a used tank, go for it. Make sure it's been recently hydrotested and has no damage to its shell whatsoever.

If you have any questions, PM me and I'll do my best to help you out.

And Lastly, Brands, any prefrence?

All tanks are manufactured to DOT approved standards, so tank wise, it's tomato/tomato. Regulator wise, it's a whole different ballgame. Get what you can afford and upgrade later, I guess.
 
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gilberjj

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dang..... back in the day i had an autococker with hpa..... i had all that stuff. paintball is dope!!!! its just too expensive! i couldve helped you a couple years ago, but ive been out of the game for a while, and i don't remember any of that stuff anymore....... sorry and good luck. are you a speedball or woods player?
 

SupraMario

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Woods ball Military sim player, I just droped $750 on this gun so I know what it cost. Thanks Keros I read up on a big chunk of that last night, but some of the stuff is helpful, Like Ive said before, Im not new to the game, just new to HPA,
I've also found out its better to buy a HP tank for even a low pressure gun because the gun itself regulates how much pressure it gets, and it gives the tank time to recover.

Thanks for the Input peeps.
 

SupraMario

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CTsupra said:
you are all terrorists! ...j/k

After buying this:
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Yes, the magazine works, and its HPA, 350 FPS, awesome accuracy!!!! First game with the gun is this sat - mon.