don't like E-manage?

[devil358]

I was originally planning on getting Emanage Ultimate but I'm starting to get the idea that there are a lot of people that don't like it on thier 1JZ's. I was hoping to compile a list of whys and why-nots on emanage ultimate.

It could also be compared to other engine management systems. I know this has been asked before, but maybe this time we can clean it up a bit, be objective (instead of, oh that sucks...I hate it....say why you do....) and maybe this thread can turn into a sticky for people like me that are a little confused as to which engine management system to get.

I know a lot of people are running the Power FC's and they say they like them, but I've also heard they are very crude and overpriced.

I know AEM can work, if you can get it wired up....

I know some people are running Emanage Blue....some like it, many complain...I'd like to know why.

I've heard of other systems out there such as wolf 3d and others....

I wanna know what people have experienced with these different systems.....headaches and success stories...

it's time to roll out that knowledge and give some insight into the best systems to use to tune the 1JZ!

 

[itr206]

My EMU is working on my car and boosting. The AFR's are coming up inconsistant and breaking up , but I am thinking it has to do with me trying to interface my wideband to the EMU and giving feedback to my wideband. I had something similar happen on another tuning unit before with this wideband.
Im gonna disco my wideband from it this week to see if my theory is correct and clean up the maps manually.
All in all , it works on my car and boosts, but needs some getting used to

 

[Trust_GTE]

I'm in the same situation, I've had my EMU for a VERY long period of time now. Just haven't installed it yet because of the problems people were having with it. I'm thinking about ditching it and go power FC.

Anyone here running the latest Haltech or even the AEM?

 

[abustiffy]

It may not be of interest, since may people equate the low cost to low quality but I should have megasquirt running on a 1jz in about 2 months. Time will truly tell but I have had good experience with this system on other motors.

 

[jbsupra89t]

My fcon and AFC works fine. Archaic, outdated, and primitive, but gets the job done.

-J

 

[suprastanger507mgte]

Emanage unit install attempted last weekend :

Ease of physical installation ( Basic Install ) - Very easy.

Setup :
Could not get it to work eventhough everything is set correctly and compared settings with other users.

Every connection I made was checked and rechecked for connectivity and they were soldered and shrink wrapped.

When I turned on the car, the Emanage's power light kept on blinking fast and it was red.
The interaction light was blinking orange as well.
Could not get it to work after multiple attempts.

It appears it has a shitfit with the mapsensor for some reason, although my car runs fine when I reconnect everything back.

I am using a Brand new usint which was never installed.

I am not comfortable using a unit especially if it has to go through an update before getting it run out of the box.

Im still toying with it ...

 

[devil358]

that's what I'm worried about....when I was gonna rebuild my 7M, I was surely going to go AEM, but I've decided to go with a 1jz and I still would really like to get AEM, but the Greddy Emanage ultimate also looked like a good halfway point, but why should I spend the money on something that no one can seem to get to work very well? lol....the more and more I read, I find more people that are making the AEM EMS work, so I think that's the route I'm going to go.


this is a good and informative topic, though.....we should keep the thread alive...if you have any knowledge or experience, please share!

 

[itr206]

Im sure it will work. it just comes down to someone playing with it and knowing what they are doing.
Im gonna tinker with mine more tonight I think . Like I said it drives and boosts, but the AFR's are inconsistant. Which makes me think between my tuning skills or lack there of and my wideband signal getting interferance.
I am gonna get it working as good as I can before going to my tuner. I have faith in it. Its just gonna take some tinkering. The problem is there is no support for this car because everyone is scared to use it from a few people who didnt set it up right probably and ditched it.
The reason I think its my wideband seing a goofy signal because I dumped from 0-50% fuel in at spots with no difference in AFR. I had that problem once with another tuning device when using my PLX. the wideband signal got some sort of disruption from something else. We thru tons of fuel in it and the arf would not change. Similar shit here

 

[devil358]

Im sure it will work. it just comes down to someone playing with it and knowing what they are doing.
Im gonna tinker with mine more tonight I think . Like I said it drives and boosts, but the AFR's are inconsistant. Which makes me think between my tuning skills or lack there of and my wideband signal getting interferance.
I am gonna get it working as good as I can before going to my tuner. I have faith in it. Its just gonna take some tinkering. The problem is there is no support for this car because everyone is scared to use it from a few people who didnt set it up right probably and ditched it.
The reason I think its my wideband seing a goofy signal because I dumped from 0-50% fuel in at spots with no difference in AFR. I had that problem once with another tuning device when using my PLX. the wideband signal got some sort of disruption from something else. We thru tons of fuel in it and the arf would not change. Similar shit here

well, I'm really wanting to get the AEM setup, so when I do gradually people will slowly gain more confidence in it and you'll see more support for it.

When you said you have it running and boosting, how well is it driving? I'm shooting for a supra that can be a daily driver (if need be)....

What kind of WB are you using? I just purchased an AEM WB kit....I figured it would probably work great with the EMS lol....

did you wire yours up the same way that is listed online? Do you have to use the low impedence injectors and 12V fuel pump mod?

I might be PMing you for some assistance...lol....you may eventually get sick of me! lol

 

[Troyota]

^Uh...I think itr206 is running Emanage Ultimate. Not the AEM that you are thinking of running.

 

[Trust_GTE]

Im sure it will work. it just comes down to someone playing with it and knowing what they are doing.
Im gonna tinker with mine more tonight I think . Like I said it drives and boosts, but the AFR's are inconsistant. Which makes me think between my tuning skills or lack there of and my wideband signal getting interferance.
I am gonna get it working as good as I can before going to my tuner. I have faith in it. Its just gonna take some tinkering. The problem is there is no support for this car because everyone is scared to use it from a few people who didnt set it up right probably and ditched it.
The reason I think its my wideband seing a goofy signal because I dumped from 0-50% fuel in at spots with no difference in AFR. I had that problem once with another tuning device when using my PLX. the wideband signal got some sort of disruption from something else. We thru tons of fuel in it and the arf would not change. Similar shit here

do you know if anyone has had their 1jz w/ the EMU dyno tuned and have it run successfully? I still have mine, but I'm really close to getting the PFC.

 

[trufanatic]

All the emanages that i've ever played with includes the blue, gold and ultimate are a very easy tuning solutions. The emanage blue combined with the greddy e-01 boost controller/programmer is one of the most powerfull tools you could have without spending alot of money on a standalone system. The ability to have AFR , EGT, RPM, TPS, Boost pressure readouts all side by side on one small screen and able to tune from that screen is something that has been overlooked by many because when it comes to car, folks have this idea that expensive is always better. The Emanage ultimate is the only piggyback on planet earth that i know that will AUTO TUNE itself...yes im serious, tell the unit what AFR you want to see across the an rpm range with boost and take the car out and floor it and the unit will figure out everything for you...but right now the e-01 programmer cannot work with the ultimate unit but there are ways to rig it to control boost, there is a rumor from the last japan auto salon show that there will be an e-02 unit being release in 07'.

Common mistake why people cannot get the emanage units to work is because they have numerous POT settings that must be configured to every individual car's engine variables.. Example, internally if you dont disable VTEC inside the emanage the unit will be looking for that specific variable to be working although disabled from the software, and why would u have vtec running on a 7Mgte for example. Basic install on the units are as easy an AFC unit with more tuning complexities.

Im a big supporter of the emanage units, especially the blue with e-01 combination and im planning on take that route when i decide what engine i want to use in my supra.

 

[devil358]

do you know if anyone has had their 1jz w/ the EMU dyno tuned and have it run successfully? I still have mine, but I'm really close to getting the PFC.

ok ok ....I'm understand that people have hooked up these systems...and made thier car idle and start and be drivable....but I'm just wondering how many people have got it tuned and running great.....with stock like drivability making some decent, reliable, smooth power....that's what I'm ideally looking for, but I guess that's what everyone's goal is when tuning a car...

 

[Trust_GTE]

ok ok ....I'm understand that people have hooked up these systems...and made thier car idle and start and be drivable....but I'm just wondering how many people have got it tuned and running great.....with stock like drivability making some decent, reliable, smooth power....that's what I'm ideally looking for, but I guess that's what everyone's goal is when tuning a car...

You got it! hence my question :icon_bigg

I've read plenty about people trying to tune the EMU by themselves, but not too much from shops or individuals that have had shops tuning it for them.