custom mount for dual battery charging relay

[shenronzero]

hey everyone,

i had some free time and i wanted to get some of my power wire and my relay out from under my hood. so i came up with a few idea and decided on mounting the relay and wires under the fender. here is the finsihed result.

let me know what you all think.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

You get hit and that thing could cause major electrical damage aor even a fire mounted there.

 

[shenronzero]

You get hit and that thing could cause major electrical damage aor even a fire mounted there.

i covered the front before putin the fender well back on. so there wont be any metal metal contact and its fused for that matter as well

 

[Justin]

Isn't that Kicker wire amazing?

 

[shenronzero]

Isn't that Kicker wire amazing?

yeah right kicker lol... all my wires and rca's are all stinger. ya know that stuff thats better than kicker:evil2:

 

[Pernilongo]

Isn't that Kicker wire amazing?

Kicker HPM series? I have the same power wire, even the same colour. Kicker does offer simmilar looking cable though, i wonder if they have same manufacturer? But maybe not, don't know for sure. I've seen both cables and they are identical just the brand is different.

 

[figgie]

Copper is copper!

Kicker, Stinger, Monster of generic welding cable. All do the same thing. Get the electron flow from point A to B.

 

[Justin]

Copper is copper!

Kicker, Stinger, Monster of generic welding cable. All do the same thing. Get the electron flow from point A to B.

Yeup.

The neat thing about the Kicker wire, and apparently the Stinger too (I didn't know they had implemented this shielding) is that it is extremely flexible.

Rockford Fosgate also uses the same technology. Tsunami has picked it up too!

It makes it a joy to install with

 

[figgie]

technology?

All it is, is adding more wires of thinner guage to the bundle.

Like those kicker/stinger are hovering around 200 strand count on a 4 gauge wire.

 

[tlo86]

welding cable is flexible too.

 

[figgie]

welding cable is flexible too.

Correct and often times more inexpensive than the same gauge "audio" cable without the fancy color jacket.

 

[shenronzero]

i know stinger does and im not sure about the others though is that they are oxygen free, which are proven to have better conductivity that non-oxygen free copper. There are different qualities of copper, but yeah when you get down to it its still copper. I just stick with stingr because they have a really good quailty product and i get it all for free from them.

 

[figgie]

which are proven to have better conductivity that non-oxygen free copper.

Oh boy, You chose the WRONG word.

Proven to be?

Based on what criteria?

Electrical Skin effect? Sorry. The frequency (20khz tops) is not high enough to use the outer portion of the conductor.

Current Bunching? Same answer as the Electrical Skin Effect.

So what "phenomena" explains the OFC conductor having better conductivity than non OFC? (this I got to see!)

 

[Pernilongo]

Oh boy, You chose the WRONG word.

Proven to be?

Based on what criteria?

Electrical Skin effect? Sorry. The frequency (20khz tops) is not high enough to use the outer portion of the conductor.

Current Bunching? Same answer as the Electrical Skin Effect.

So what "phenomena" explains the OFC conductor having better conductivity than non OFC? (this I got to see!)

Wow. thanks Figgie. I never even thought why cable companies advertise cables in audio applications as OFC. Just never came to my mind at all. But i was wondering if Copper is copper and it's conductivity is not different, what is the reason for differently sounding cables. The test that are available to me showed that tinned copper adds coloring and brightness to the sound, while naked copper offered more neutral sound. Also, OFC copper from different manufactures reproduced frequencies differently when all other equipment was the same. The most differences were visible in the upper midrange and solid copper wire had many advantages over braided or twisted multi-strained copper.

Soft pretty jacket is only good for ease of installation and that High-end feel in your hands. Every car-audio shop owner i know offered to touch the cable to the customers as a selling point, not pointing out that once the cable is under the carpet they will never touch it again and the jacket has nothing to do with the performance. Nevertheless, lesser or cheaper Taiwanese or Chinese power wire is often sold as 4 gauge but in fact being a 6 or an 8 gauge cable wrapped in a thicker plastic for imitate true 4 gauge. I think that was the point of the original poster to explain his choice of Stinger. If you count on 4 gauge in your system and buy false 4 gauge from china than you might have some issues with performance of your system.

 

[annoyingrob]

But i was wondering if Copper is copper and it's conductivity is not different, what is the reason for differently sounding cables. The test that are available to me showed that tinned copper adds coloring and brightness to the sound, while naked copper offered more neutral sound. Also, OFC copper from different manufactures reproduced frequencies differently when all other equipment was the same. The most differences were visible in the upper midrange and solid copper wire had many advantages over braided or twisted multi-strained copper.

For a low-level signal wire maybe (and I say maybe because the slight difference will not be noticeable to 99% of the population, and that's in a quiet listening environment, not in an automotive environment).

From a power wire standpoint, no. You are not going to 'color' your sound by using a tinned power wire. If you are, you have a very, very poor quality amplifier.

Let's not get into what 'this internet report' said. Can YOU hear a difference?

 

[Pernilongo]

For a low-level signal wire maybe (and I say maybe because the slight difference will not be noticeable to 99% of the population, and that's in a quiet listening environment, not in an automotive environment).

From a power wire standpoint, no. You are not going to 'color' your sound by using a tinned power wire. If you are, you have a very, very poor quality amplifier.

Let's not get into what 'this internet report' said. Can YOU hear a difference?

Yeah, nobody was talking about a power wire. that would be pretty crazy if someone said that tinned power wire colors the sound. And that was not an internet "report". Never used internet to learn about car audio and never will.

 

[shenronzero]

For a low-level signal wire maybe (and I say maybe because the slight difference will not be noticeable to 99% of the population, and that's in a quiet listening environment, not in an automotive environment).

From a power wire standpoint, no. You are not going to 'color' your sound by using a tinned power wire. If you are, you have a very, very poor quality amplifier.

Let's not get into what 'this internet report' said. Can YOU hear a difference?

I'm really dont want to all technical or anything but I am a musican... I have played trumpet for about 12 years and my hearing is finely tuned through training. It's called relative pitch. I can tell if a pitch is sharp, flat or just plain off which translates to automotive terms as Hz (musical terms "cents"). So with what I do I can tell the difference in quality for most things. As far as the wire is concerned i know the greater the power i can run through without loosing power over distance the better. but then you also have to take the battery(ies) into account as well as the alt. The only way to be sure about all of it is to check votlage from front to back while there is a good draw on the whole thing. thats really the only way to see what "quality of wire" you have. to see if your really getting all the power to your amps.

audio is such a bitch sometimes:biglaugh:

 

[figgie]

I'm really dont want to all technical or anything but I am a musican... I have played trumpet for about 12 years and my hearing is finely tuned through training. It's called relative pitch. I can tell if a pitch is sharp, flat or just plain off which translates to automotive terms as Hz (musical terms "cents"). So with what I do I can tell the difference in quality for most things. As far as the wire is concerned i know the greater the power i can run through without loosing power over distance the better. but then you also have to take the battery(ies) into account as well as the alt. The only way to be sure about all of it is to check votlage from front to back while there is a good draw on the whole thing. thats really the only way to see what "quality of wire" you have. to see if your really getting all the power to your amps.

audio is such a bitch sometimes:biglaugh:

but as you well know, I am sure. A musicians environment has minimal early reflections to interfere with the fundamental frequency of the instrument/s. Hence why concert halls or jazz clubs have sound absorbtion behind the musicians and also in strategic place. In a car. All that goes out the door as it is a very reflective (sound wave wise) environment.

 

[shenronzero]

but as you well know, I am sure. A musicians environment has minimal early reflections to interfere with the fundamental frequency of the instrument/s. Hence why concert halls or jazz clubs have sound absorbtion behind the musicians and also in strategic place. In a car. All that goes out the door as it is a very reflective (sound wave wise) environment.

true unless you use a large amount of sound dentaning material in the vehicle... even then its really up in the air... or if you can find the structural resonance frequency of the car... i know the supra's (at least mine) is around 45Hz to 49Hz

 

[figgie]

true unless you use a large amount of sound dentaning material in the vehicle... even then its really up in the air... or if you can find the structural resonance frequency of the car... i know the supra's (at least mine) is around 45Hz to 49Hz

Don't confuse sound deading with sound absorbtion.

Sound deading dampens external sound from entering the cabin.
Sound absorbtion is used inside of the cabin to absorb sound and specifically the higher frequency sounds. No way to do that unless you build "plugs" for the windows etc.