Haven't heard anything about those guys. That's not a bad thing though. His shop is near my area. I'd like to visit, but I know I'll never do business with them. I don't want to waste their time kicking tires. Not only I'm cheap, but I do most of my own work. I do have a fabricator that I rarely use. I mock up stuff, and let him tig weld it. Let us know how it goes.