Kamikaze's build pt.2... Are you ready??

kamikazemkiii

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Thanks for the link Brandon, Im not really worried I bought these from another member using them without any problems.

Updates:

Turbo-Purchased
Injectors- Purchased
Bearings- Purchased
Timing belt- Purchased
OEM oil filter- Purchased
Fuel- Purchased
Titan cam gears- Purchased
Tial bov- Purchased
ARP rod bolts- Purchased
ARP flywheel bolts- Purchased

A bulk of the item Ill be needing are now purchased (Sigh of Relief!)

Still needing to purchasing the following:
Paint
Primer
An fittings
Pushlock hose
E fans
Harnesses
Radiator
4' Exhaust piping
And get some welding done along with making a full turbo back exhaust.
 

IJ.

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Venom= badly assembled GARBAGE, I wouldn't risk an engine using them...


Deleting parts so you have a "nice clean engine bay" is a joke.... :nono:


The Tensioner is a simple fool proof device why mess with it...
 

gurley0916

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So with deleting the tensioner how will you keep the belt tight enough to power the alternator/power steering/water pump as there are no adjustments for tightening like on a 7m? Also what kind of belt are you going to run. And honestly when the motor is in the car and the coolant hose is in you wont even notice that it is even there...
 

kamikazemkiii

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gurley0916;1704508 said:
So with deleting the tensioner how will you keep the belt tight enough to power the alternator/power steering/water pump as there are no adjustments for tightening like on a 7m? Also what kind of belt are you going to run. And honestly when the motor is in the car and the coolant hose is in you wont even notice that it is even there...

Ill get a shorter S belt and Ive made a bracket to were I can adjust the tension on the belt.

IJ.;1704490 said:
Venom= badly assembled GARBAGE, I wouldn't risk an engine using them...


Deleting parts so you have a "nice clean engine bay" is a joke.... :nono:


The Tensioner is a simple fool proof device why mess with it...

If its not necessary I don't see a problem with it. Is their another use for the tensioner that I don't know about besides keeping tension on the S belt? Ive seen quite a few mkiv guys delete it, High hp ones at that. Long as I can keep tension on the belt I don't see anything bad about it. If you do let me know so I can correct it.

Thanks for the tip on the cam gears, like I said these aren't the ones I plan on using I awaiting on my titans.
 

IBoughtASupra

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You need to learn to feed your self knowledge.

I believe you will be driving this car as much as possible. The high HP MKIV guys only take their car out once in a while. How many have you seen delete it versus keeping it? Jesscia Barton does 9.2 in the quarter mile on a six speed, makes 1100+ HP on the same motor for a while now and still has the stock tensioner and her engine bay look nice, as well as other things on her too.

If you want to delete something, learn the purpose of it. The 7M is the grandfather of the Supra motors, I am excluding the early 6M and 5M, and everything was improved throughout the years. They had your bracket style tensioner and went to a spring loaded tensioner on the JZ series and even there newer cars have the spring loaded tensioner. There has not been one Toyota to use the bracket tensioning system that I have seen in a few years.

Take a look at when your car is running, that tensioner does not stay in one place, it will constantly move, your bracket will not allow that movement.

Let me spoon feed you once again and tell you that I have seen people delete the tensioner and ending up changing out seized water pumps and what not. You are creating the potential to put an extra strain on the bearings inside the water pump, power steering and alternator. I am not taking about one time, I have seen it a lot and not only on Supras but RX-7s as well.

When people advise you, don't response with "reason being?". That obviously shows that you believe we know nothing. Sure, there are some idiots on here who don't know anything but when advice comes in, read, listen, research and then respond with something intellectual.

If you want me to really explain what you are doing by running a shorter belt and bracket, I will draw a diagram showing the forces, there components and what it will do when your motor's pulleys are spinning at a rate of 7,000RPM but I highly doubt you will understand that.

If you want to go ahead and run the Venom parts and delete the tensioner, you are free to do so but you have been warned, so please don't create a thread saying you jar weird noises or your car is not charging properly and so fourth.

Don't think of it as us being douchebags in your thread but we are teaching you something and potentially helping you save money. Jetjock once told me, after searching for a solution to my 7M not idling and doing everything which no thread could solve, to block the turbulence from the fan clutch it see if it works. It did. Nobody had that problem in any thread and he helped me on that. He did not do it right away, but his theory was, instead if fishing for the man, teach a man to fish so he can feed himself. I told you to look at what you are doing by eliminating the tensioner and the reponse was "still doesn't answer my question.". See what I am talking about?

We are not in here to shit on your build thread because if you read all of that, you are probably thinking that. Instead of me saying, "Yeah, nice build," I saw something wrong and notified you. Message Tweet on here, he asked for my number for some advice on his build and for everything he said, I had a question and advised him what to do. He later posted in a thread where I asked another member why he would leave cables exposed and said "This guy always has question...jk jk."

I am not trying to put you through a quiz, which he probably does understand, but I am trying to show you problems that can happen. That enough of my rant.
 

dubsupra209

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sorry to high jack but i have no tensioner and been running it for over a year 25k miles on motor like that with no problems...

i thought that pulley was for ac since my car doesn't have ac at the moment?

i am how ever planning on putting on the tensioner asap once i get a hold of 1 and hook back up my ac cause its hot as hell...

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kamikazemkiii;1702893 said:
I haven't heard any bad things about Venom?

I have 3 myself, Its about time to get rid of some..

lol watch just get rid of 1 and you'll save way more money i'm kind of young myself 21, so it's really helping out my supra budget with 1 less...still have 3 though need to get rid of project 1 though lol

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blackkarma;1704318 said:

yep thats where i seen that at! thanks for link
 

hvyman

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His car his money. It's a damn Tensioner. It will work either way. It may not be the smartest thing but it is his car.
 

kamikazemkiii

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IBoughtASupra;1704643 said:
You need to learn to feed your self knowledge.

I believe you will be driving this car as much as possible. The high HP MKIV guys only take their car out once in a while. How many have you seen delete it versus keeping it? Jesscia Barton does 9.2 in the quarter mile on a six speed, makes 1100+ HP on the same motor for a while now and still has the stock tensioner and her engine bay look nice, as well as other things on her too.

If you want to delete something, learn the purpose of it. The 7M is the grandfather of the Supra motors, I am excluding the early 6M and 5M, and everything was improved throughout the years. They had your bracket style tensioner and went to a spring loaded tensioner on the JZ series and even there newer cars have the spring loaded tensioner. There has not been one Toyota to use the bracket tensioning system that I have seen in a few years.

Take a look at when your car is running, that tensioner does not stay in one place, it will constantly move, your bracket will not allow that movement.

Let me spoon feed you once again and tell you that I have seen people delete the tensioner and ending up changing out seized water pumps and what not. You are creating the potential to put an extra strain on the bearings inside the water pump, power steering and alternator. I am not taking about one time, I have seen it a lot and not only on Supras but RX-7s as well.

When people advise you, don't response with "reason being?". That obviously shows that you believe we know nothing. Sure, there are some idiots on here who don't know anything but when advice comes in, read, listen, research and then respond with something intellectual.

If you want me to really explain what you are doing by running a shorter belt and bracket, I will draw a diagram showing the forces, there components and what it will do when your motor's pulleys are spinning at a rate of 7,000RPM but I highly doubt you will understand that.

If you want to go ahead and run the Venom parts and delete the tensioner, you are free to do so but you have been warned, so please don't create a thread saying you jar weird noises or your car is not charging properly and so fourth.

Don't think of it as us being douchebags in your thread but we are teaching you something and potentially helping you save money. Jetjock once told me, after searching for a solution to my 7M not idling and doing everything which no thread could solve, to block the turbulence from the fan clutch it see if it works. It did. Nobody had that problem in any thread and he helped me on that. He did not do it right away, but his theory was, instead if fishing for the man, teach a man to fish so he can feed himself. I told you to look at what you are doing by eliminating the tensioner and the reponse was "still doesn't answer my question.". See what I am talking about?

We are not in here to shit on your build thread because if you read all of that, you are probably thinking that. Instead of me saying, "Yeah, nice build," I saw something wrong and notified you. Message Tweet on here, he asked for my number for some advice on his build and for everything he said, I had a question and advised him what to do. He later posted in a thread where I asked another member why he would leave cables exposed and said "This guy always has question...jk jk."

I am not trying to put you through a quiz, which he probably does understand, but I am trying to show you problems that can happen. That enough of my rant.

1) First off this is a show/occasional street car, that can be driven whenever thus my intentions so far..

2)Tensioner carries the purpose of keeping the appropriate tension on the serpintine belt, inwhich the powersteering, AC, waterpump, and alternator runs off of. Long as the belt HAS the appropriate tension on it I dont see a problem, This is something I havent researched and asked questions about... As you can see here are just two well known supras making 1000+whp without using the tensioner.

Stephane:
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?578930-Stephane-GT55-33-updated-pics&highlight=

Vijay, Big Daddy performance:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=175767322451256&set=t.1537883996&type=1

5) When "advising" others you should post supporting details reguarding why or why not. If you were questioning doing something and I were to post "I highly recommend you not to do that" would that help you in any way shape or form? would you just not do it? or would you question why?. I wouldnt have half the knowledge I have now if it werent for helpful users on this forum, so ill ignore that comment.

6) Go ahead, knock yourself out. I'd like to actually see how it all works (seriously) I expect to see a detailed drawing aswell.

7) Are you not reading or have I not posted several time regaurding to me NOT using the venom cam gears?

8) I have no problem with listening and taking advise long as its in a informal and polite manner.. That theory is correct, but without teaching the man, how would he fish? Adequate information makes all the difference, Without it makes a useless post or suggestion.

9) I am thankful you notified me of something you saw that could potentially cause more harm than good, thats why I asked for more information, or why. I don't appreciate the way you went about responding, I feel I have been talked down to..
 

IBoughtASupra

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IJ.;1704974 said:
"regarding"

Andy: You gave advice it wasn't well received step away and don't start shit in his thread...

everyone else: NOTHING to see here move along ;)

Ok, well said and will do.

Hvy, that was not direct to you in particular.

On last thing for the OP, if you think my post were "talking down" to you in anyway, I am very sorry that nobody has prepared you for the real world. I see you have not witnessed constructive criticism before. I am not supposed to show you everything. The quote, "teach a man to fish," is meant to give bits and pieces to help them figure something out....

Lastly, I actually took time to call Ian in your thread so you can have another person's opinion, who knows a lot more than members on this forums. Did I have to do that, no, but I don't want to see someone spend time and money doing something that is not right.

Unfortunately, you don't see the big picture here and think I am out to insult you. Like I said, constructive criticism is one of the best ways to make someone learn...

Enjoy.