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Cya

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Im going to MEPS on Monday and looking for any advise with negotiations of my contract.

Also my top three choices for MOS are 25B, 94M, 25S anyone else on the boards involvoed with any of these. Anyone suggest anyothers to look at?

My goals are to pay for school, have a marketable skill upon leaving and to not deploy oversees.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks in adavance. ED.
 

Justin727

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shoot couldnt go wrong with any of those choices! To be honest with ya my friend try not to let the deployment worry ya anyhow cause chances are you'll get deployed...


If anything I'd say go reserve then in the future if you decide to go full time you'll be set for sure!
 

johnny

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say that you will only sign if you can have job _____________. If you don't they will tell you that they can't take any more ___________ , or some other reason to give you a job they need to fill instead of the one you want.
 

cmdeoro

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johnny;1281224 said:
say that you will only sign if you can have job _____________. If you don't they will tell you that they can't take any more ___________ , or some other reason to give you a job they need to fill instead of the one you want.

+2
 

Supracentral

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Cya;1281126 said:
Im going to MEPS on Monday and looking for any advise with negotiations of my contract.

Also my top three choices for MOS are 25B, 94M, 25S anyone else on the boards involvoed with any of these. Anyone suggest anyothers to look at?

My goals are to pay for school, have a marketable skill upon leaving and to not deploy oversees.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks in adavance. ED.

Since you're looking for marketable I.T. skills, I'll tell you what I look for in an entry level candidate.

#1 - Good spelling and grammar. The lack thereof shows a poor level of attention to detail. Work on this. When I review resumes (as I've been doing all last week and this week), those that don't pass the spellchecker test go right into the trash. Now I know many of you are saying to yourself, "that must be rare". Sadly it isn't. About 1/2 contain basic easy to spot spelling errors.

#1a - Communications skills. Modern I.T. is not the same as the I.T. of 20 years ago. The age of the hardcore nerd with the pocket protector and slide rule is long over. In order to be successful in today's I.T., you need to be able to communicate successfully with businesspeople, many of which wouldn't know a USB flash drive from a network card.

#2 - Attitude. No job too big or too small. Ownership of projects, issues, problems and processes is another big one. Once you grab onto (or get assigned) a problem or project, see it through to the end. If you need help, go get it. If you need to hand it off to someone else, hand it off, but not ownership of it. See it through to the end. Make sure you're personally satisfied that it's complete.

#2a - Emotional intelligence. The ability to perceive, manage, use and understand your own emotions and the emotions of others. In I.T. (especially if you start out in a break/fix kind of position) you'll sometimes be dealing with people at their absolute worst. The are under pressure, they may have lost work, or time, and it's that damned machines fault and you are the I.T. jerk that has failed to keep it running. Being able to take situations like this in stride, hear people out, get back on track and help get a problem resolved sometimes has a lot more to do with emotions than technical skill.

#3 - The understanding that no job in I.T. is a 40 hour work week. If you're looking for 40 hours, be a banker. I.T. often requires long hours, and it's not unusual to get the 2am phone call or to get dragged into the office on a Saturday. It comes with the turf.

#4 - The ability and willingness to learn. Not just on the job or in school, but every day of your life. Showing interest in your career outside of work helps a lot. All things being equal, if I've got two candidates with equal qualifications and experience, the one who is "playing around" with computers at home is the one who is going to get the job.

Cya;1281212 said:

This one is the most applicable to I.T. and definitely will translate to earning potential in the civilian world.

Put every ounce of effort into getting certifications like the ones listed on this page:

https://www.cool.army.mil/25b.htm

The Cisco certs are worth their weight in gold.
 

SupraOfDoom

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Cisco networking? Man I have a bunch of Cisco college credits that I got in HS. My school was the 1st high school to get Cisco Networking classes because the owner of Cisco went to my high school. I even got to meet him and get a picture w/ him. I never did go to school for Cisco after that... ah well.
 

Cya

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Supracentral;1281440 said:
Since you're looking for marketable I.T. skills, I'll tell you what I look for in an entry level candidate.

#1 - Good spelling and grammar. The lack thereof shows a poor level of attention to detail. Work on this. When I review resumes (as I've been doing all last week and this week), those that don't pass the spellchecker test go right into the trash. Now I know many of you are saying to yourself, "that must be rare". Sadly it isn't. About 1/2 contain basic easy to spot spelling errors.

#1a - Communications skills. Modern I.T. is not the same as the I.T. of 20 years ago. The age of the hardcore nerd with the pocket protector and slide rule is long over. In order to be successful in today's I.T., you need to be able to communicate successfully with businesspeople, many of which wouldn't know a USB flash drive from a network card.

#2 - Attitude. No job too big or too small. Ownership of projects, issues, problems and processes is another big one. Once you grab onto (or get assigned) a problem or project, see it through to the end. If you need help, go get it. If you need to hand it off to someone else, hand it off, but not ownership of it. See it through to the end. Make sure you're personally satisfied that it's complete.

#2a - Emotional intelligence. The ability to perceive, manage, use and understand your own emotions and the emotions of others. In I.T. (especially if you start out in a break/fix kind of position) you'll sometimes be dealing with people at their absolute worst. The are under pressure, they may have lost work, or time, and it's that damned machines fault and you are the I.T. jerk that has failed to keep it running. Being able to take situations like this in stride, hear people out, get back on track and help get a problem resolved sometimes has a lot more to do with emotions than technical skill.

#3 - The understanding that no job in I.T. is a 40 hour work week. If you're looking for 40 hours, be a banker. I.T. often requires long hours, and it's not unusual to get the 2am phone call or to get dragged into the office on a Saturday. It comes with the turf.

#4 - The ability and willingness to learn. Not just on the job or in school, but every day of your life. Showing interest in your career outside of work helps a lot. All things being equal, if I've got two candidates with equal qualifications and experience, the one who is "playing around" with computers at home is the one who is going to get the job.



This one is the most applicable to I.T. and definitely will translate to earning potential in the civilian world.

Put every ounce of effort into getting certifications like the ones listed on this page:

https://www.cool.army.mil/25b.htm

The Cisco certs are worth their weight in gold.

I appreciate the in depth feedback! I will be looking into these certs. over the next few days. Aside from Cisco certifications, im assuming Microsoft would be another safe bet? Am I correct?
 

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With any of MOS that you chose will make you deploy unless you get extremely lucky. But most areas where you will go with have a slot for you to go downrange. Thats just the luck of it.

I'm currently in the army and my MOS is 35S and I haven't deployed but thats with this job. However, this job will not give you the technical specialties that you want. This job is going away anyways.

The closest you will get to not deploying is probrobly going to be if you get sent to Korea. But korea is becoming a 2 year tour soon instead of a 1 year tour.

However with the MEPS issue. If they do not give you the job you want walk out. Don't let them sweet talk you into a job you dont wanna take. You would much rather take a job that you want than a job with a big bonus. If they say there are no slots for you in that MOS either call BS or walk out.

Thats my input. Hope it helps
 

Doward

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A+ and Network+ here. About to get my Linux+, then I'm looking at Security+ and Server+.

Haven't done any Cisco classes, but then - I'm not in the ITE program, either - I'm in the Engineering program ;)
 

CTsupra

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Cya;1281126 said:
Im going to MEPS on Monday and looking for any advise with negotiations of my contract.

Also my top three choices for MOS are 25B, 94M, 25S anyone else on the boards involved with any of these.

Nope.

Anyone suggest any others to look at?

Yes, the infantry.

My goals are to pay for school, have a marketable skill upon leaving and to not deploy oversees.

You WILL get deployed. Also, unless you score a full-time guard job (AGR position) which you will be interviewed among many other already qualified NCO's that will get the position over you - you will only be working in your MOS one weekend a month. I would suggest forgetting about the National Guard all together if a marketable skill is your only concern. Go active duty.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks in adavance. ED.


Oh, and the age limit is 42 gentlemen. Actually, it might have dropped to 40. Officer limit is 29 waiverable to 32 or so.
 

drunk_medic

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Mike, although I wasn't the one asking for it, thank you for that advice.
My current job contract will be ending in the next month or two, and I am having problems finding another tech job. I have over 15 years of computer building, troubleshooting, and repair experience. I also worked at a cyber cafe where I maintained 30+ networked computers, and installed SDSL modems for ~500 customers on a U.S. airbase in Korea. Unfortunately, I have all of this experience with ZERO certification.
I.T. was one of the areas I was thinking about, and if I don't have at least a semi-decent job bite soon, this might be the summer that I use my G.I. Bill and go to school for something that is enjoyable AND profitable.
 

Supracentral

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Cya;1281533 said:
I appreciate the in depth feedback! I will be looking into these certs. over the next few days. Aside from Cisco certifications, im assuming Microsoft would be another safe bet? Am I correct?

Microsoft certs are a "nice to have", but the market is flooded with MCSE's. Additionally, due to all the "boot camps" out there that teach you how to pass the test but not do the job, MS certs have become devalued over the years. It's worth getting them, but they won't really drive income potential. The Cisco certs however will truly drive your income up.

drunk_medic;1281777 said:
Mike, although I wasn't the one asking for it, thank you for that advice.

De nada.

drunk_medic;1281777 said:
My current job contract will be ending in the next month or two, and I am having problems finding another tech job. I have over 15 years of computer building, troubleshooting, and repair experience. I also worked at a cyber cafe where I maintained 30+ networked computers, and installed SDSL modems for ~500 customers on a U.S. airbase in Korea. Unfortunately, I have all of this experience with ZERO certification.

It's not uncommon. Experience can still get you a job in this industry. However the certs help.

drunk_medic;1281777 said:
I.T. was one of the areas I was thinking about, and if I don't have at least a semi-decent job bite soon, this might be the summer that I use my G.I. Bill and go to school for something that is enjoyable AND profitable.

I strongly suggest Cisco Networking or getting yourself PMI or PMP certified. These are the two areas (Networking & Project Managment) that pay the best in the I.T. industry other than being an Enterprise Architect. But you can't just "go to school" and become an Architect. It takes skill & experience in many areas, so it's something you work you way up to over time.

Take a look at this:

Average Annual Salaries of Popular I.T. Certifications
Certification|Average Annual Salary
PMI Project Managment Professional (PMP)|$101,695
PMI Certified Associate in Project Managment|$101,103
ITIL v2 - Foundations|$95,415
(ICS)2 Certified Information Systems Security Professional(CISSP)|$94,018
Cisco CCIE Routing & Switching|$93,500
Cisco CCVP|$88,824
ITIL v3 - ITIL Master|$86,500
MCSD - Microsoft Certified Solution Developer|$84,422
Cisco CCNP|$84,161
Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE)|$83,692
MCITP - Microsoft Certified Information Technology Pro - Database|$77,000
MCDBA - Micorosof Certified Database Administrator|$76,960
Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT)|$75,667
HDI Help Desk/Support Center Manager|$75,556
Cisco CCDA|$75,000
MCSE - Microsoft Certified System Engineer|$71,980

When you look at the "return on investment" Cisco and PMP/PMI give the most bang for the buck. Having combination helps.

Take me for example. I've got nearly 20 years of experience, I'm PMI certified, I know Cisco Routing & Switching, I've been an application developer in Lotus Domino, Java, Vb, C and I've done a lot of web development. I've been a Unix/Linux Admin, a Windows MSCE since version 3.51 and I've managed a lot of people & projects. I've managed a network operations center, and I've owned an ISP. I've done just about every job there is to do in I.T. from Workstation Tech to Project Management. And I've got real work business experience. That some of the experience you need to reach the point of being able to sell yourself as an Enterprise Architect, which is arguably the top of the I.T. pyramid. There aren't very many of us, but the companies that have us consider us some of their most valued intellectual assets.
 

Justin727

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Cya;1281386 said:
Im 26.



Are you reccomending ANG



no... Imho I would suggest either reserve then full time or just full time straight up.

But do some research my friend take a month or two and figure out which direction you want to go with it. Theres alot to read up on their websites. Of course ask questions and talk to a few folks in service.
 

Cya

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CTsupra;1281758 said:
Oh, and the age limit is 42 gentlemen. Actually, it might have dropped to 40. Officer limit is 29 waiverable to 32 or so.

Why infantry?

As far as not being able to work on my MOS enough to get any value from it, I call BS. I close friend of mine went with the National Guard (I can't recall what MOS) and is now making 90K through gov. contracting, I believe in I.T.. I recall him having some Microsoft andCisco Network Security certifications.