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    Default Official emanage ultimate thread

    Information and FAQ Regarding Emanage Ultimate



    Injector lag time reference sheet : http://injector-rehab.com/kbse/lag.htm



    Installation Notes:

    If you have trouble with the car running rich while the water temp input is connected, change the jumper to "open", even though the manual says not to. That may fix the issue.

    7MGE: http://www.supramania.com/forums/sho...03#post1422203

    Timing Control - works
    Injector Control - untested

    7MGTE:

    Timing Control - can't retard more than 5 degrees.
    Injector Control - no issues found in limited use

    1JZGTE:



    Wiring:

    Taps:

    Color - Purpose
    Red Power 12V
    Black Ground
    Grey Throttle Position
    Brown RPM signal
    Light Blue Idle Control Valve
    Blue/yellow Water Temperature
    Purple/yellow Knock Sensor
    Black/red Sensor/injector ground
    Grey/white Crank Angle (Reference)
    Grey/black Cam Angle (Position)


    Splice:

    Green Airflow (EMU to ECU) (MAF or MAP)
    White Airflow (Sensor to EMU) (MAF or MAP)
    Blue/red Injector 1 (ECU to EMU)
    Blue/grey Injector 1 (EMU to injector)
    Orange/red Injector 2 (ECU to EMU)
    Orange/grey Injector 2 (EMU to injector)
    Yellow/red Injector 3 (ECU to EMU)
    Yellow/grey Injector 3 (EMU to injector)
    Purple/red Injector 4 (ECU to EMU)
    Purple/grey Injector 4 (EMU to injector)
    Blue/white Ignition 1 (ECU to EMU)
    Blue/black Ignition 1 (EMU to coil/distrib.)
    Orange/white Ignition 2 (ECU to EMU)
    Orange/black Ignition 2 (EMU to coil/distrib.)
    Yellow/white Ignition 3 (ECU to EMU)
    Yellow/black Ignition 3 (EMU to coil/distrib.)
    Purple/white Ignition 4 (ECU to EMU)
    Purple/black Ignition 4 (EMU to coil/distrib.)
    Brown/yellow Speed (EMU to ECU)
    Light Blue/yellow Speed (Sensor to EMU)
    White/red NVCS (OPTIONAL)
    Last edited by 935motorsports; October 5th, 2009 at 03:37 PM.
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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    there ya go....
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    Features:

    AFM delete

    AFM delete will let you log the AFM behavior vs a map sensor, maf, or throttle position. Once logged, you can paste these figures into the airflow output map.

    Since it is universal, you can use any MAF, map sensor, or AFM you can find. This requires fine tuning of course. 7MGTE would be easy, you could use the factory boost sensor for speed density, but it will not show boost. If you use a factory sensor like a 1JZ, 2JZGTE, etc, it will show correct boost readings without having to buy anything else.

    You then have to add your own temp sensor to satisfy the ECU, simliar to other MAF translator devices.

    Emanage ultimate has a water temp and air temp correction map, but user defined, if you want to feed the stock ECU a resistor and keep it at 75F all the time. This would be better because if you do not, your tuning will fight the ECU tune as the temperature changes.

    Ignition Timing Display

    I am using this on NA (5MGE). You can read and log actual ignition timing as picked up by the distributor. 7MGE should be the same way. To acheive this, "NE" will be run to crank signal input and "G" will be run to cam signal. If this is done correctly, the EMU will have a straight RPM signal without requiring a tach input.

    7MGE and 7MGTE will have G1 and G2, so you will have to figure out which one will work. You do not need to interrupt the igniter to read ignition timing, so you can view this even if you don't use the timing control feature. Mine will pick up noise, so shielded wiring might be ideal. Every now and then the reading will go out of wack and show something like 90 degrees. It will reset at idle or a car re-start. One of the fun "issues" with emanage. After using a better ground, this happens less.


    Timing Control

    Like the blue you can use timing control. As we know the 7MGTE requires the custom adapter many have posted like the blue. 5M works fine, 7MGE, have not tested yet.

    You can advance and retard timing for various conditions such as boost, temperature, throttle position (launch control), and transmission shifting.

    I verified the timing changes with a timing light.

    Direct Injector control

    You can change duration (opening time) of the injectors OR injector duty by intercepting the injectors. My car will not start with this wired in. The ECU seems to want to see the injectors. I am sorting out which resistors or adapters I will need.


    Additional Injector control

    Instead of upgrading injectors, you can add more injectors to be used under boost.

    Launch Control

    Can hold a certain RPM to launch reliably OR 2 step boost building type of launch (timing retard)

    Rev Limit Increase

    EMU will hold injectors open past the rev limit. I tried this once and it seemed to work but I have to try again once my injectors are working properly. Note: There will be a moment of no injection during the switch over. This about .01 seconds, so be very careful about this feature with boost. After the switchover, the injectors will continue to spray what you put in.


    7MGE Note :

    You can use the NVCS Output map to control when your ACIS functions. It has a RPM vs throttle position (or air flow) map.

    Other features not tried:

    Sequential injection (Fire each injector individually)
    Sequential ignition (Change to 6 coils)
    A/F Target (Will adjust injector duty or duration to reach target A/F when using wideband)
    Last edited by 935motorsports; October 5th, 2009 at 03:41 PM.
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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    post up what you've managed to make the EMU do and on what engine....
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    Place holder for links to MAP Files
    Last edited by 935motorsports; October 5th, 2009 at 03:39 PM.
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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    http://www.dfwmkiv.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1705

    Look at that thread and see what you think. Bryan has been doing these for a while now and I'm thinking about having him do this on my MK3. I really like the 2 step or anitlag feature that the Ultimate has as well as timing control.

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    Make sure for that much it includes adding a new air temp sensor.

    Also after using the EMU for a while, I see that you may want to disable or "dummy" the o2 sensor. You can use autotune from the wideband and disable closed loop entirely on the stock ecu.

    This prevents problems with the stock ECU trying to take things over after a tune.
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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    It does come with it. Is this something you think that I could do? When I installed my new motor I put in my new engine harness and wired up and soldered my HKS Safr and I am the only person who has ever tuned it. I haven't messed with this stuff that much, but very interested!

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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    I'm not sure what you are asking?


    Are you asking if you can install it yourself?
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    Default Re: Official emanage ultimate thread

    Will the e-manage control additional injectors? 2x injectors....

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