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    I thought the "stop whining" was a reference to Kindergarten Cop. LoL

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    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    Doesnt canada have a similar system and most of the EU?

    Seems to be working for them over there. The USA is run by big coperate compaines. Why do you think most people cant get generic drug funding from their insurance.

    We all pay into the tax system, yet the only real thing I see out of it, is schools and roads. There needs to be a regulation to the cost of meds.
    One day, you people are going to wake up in the wreckage, and start crying.

    The United States is the world's best customer. It buys far more from foreign countries than it sells to them, resulting in a sizable trade deficit. It also spends more on public programs than it collects in tax revenues. And to pay for all these outlays, the U.S. must attract mountains of foreign capital each year, which essentially amounts to borrowing from foreign governments and investors. This is commonly referred to as the current accounts deficit -- which was running at 225.6 billion USD in the third quarter of last year.

    Don't trust my numbers, get your own directly from the US Governement:

    http://bea.gov/

    Those foreign countries don't lend out of the goodness of their hearts; for the most part they lend because the U.S. uses that money to buy goods from them and other nations. In many ways, the prosperity of the developed world, including Canada, Europe and parts of Asia, has been financed over several decades by rampant spending on the part of the U.S.

    In Canada's case, by year-end Canada sold $8.8 billion more in goods to the U.S. than it bought from the U.S.

    But foreign investors cannot go on forever supporting U.S. spending. A banker who holds your mortgage and car loan will get nervous if you keep coming back to up the limit on your credit cards, and international debt markets work in much the same way. The question becomes, how much longer will those investors be willing to lend to the U.S., especially at the current low interest rates, when the country appears to have no plan for meeting its long-term funding needs? The issue is even more pressing given the fact that the U.S. dollar has been falling for more than a two years, decimating returns for those foreigners who invest in U.S. bonds.

    Since many of you seem to be REALLY challenged when it comes to understanding basic economics, I'll try to make this plain for you:

    You cannot eat more than you have.

    You don't shit where you live.

    You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

    Just keep looking at the American taxpayer and government as a source for your free ride. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it's about to be over, and it does not matter what anyone 'feels' about it. You can't bleed a nation forever, and this one has just about bled out.

    Wake the fuck up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supracentral
    One day, you people are going to wake up in the wreckage, and start crying.
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    Wake the fuck up...
    That is more than shockingly coherent. Well put, and wonderful insight.

    I think that we are doing the right thing, the wrong way. Our government would rather give a lazy man fish to eat for the rest of his life rather than encourage him to learn to fish.

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    SC that wasnt my point, lazy people are a problem, and so are the illegals, but what I put in I shall never see. Neither will my father. Hes put in taxes since he was 15, hes 52 now. I can agree with the government on main things, but your looking at all the small people and pointing your finger at them saying "Its your fault" when its only 1/3 their fault.
    Do you look at the big ass business's that get monster cuts from the government on taxes? Do you look at the government higher ups who waste tons, and what about all these programs.

    Im not one for a free hand out and I never will be that way. I have been supporting myself since I was 18 and in college. But a program similar to this one is not bad. In germany the government is actually helping the people, and all of them. Its a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" system.
    Big companies, lazy people, people who abuse the system, and crappy polices and systems are bleeding this country dry.
    Who the hell is biteing the hand that feeds? when you pay into the system yet see nothing or very little back? The government is the one biting the hand that feeds and its the wrong hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValgeKotkas
    Stop whining...
    whining? how do you figure? i dont think so, its called takiing notice to currrent rediculous movements that are taking place all over...its good some people actually care enough to voice a good opinion, unlike urself, ur opinion sucked
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk3some
    whining? how do you figure? i dont think so, its called takiing notice to currrent rediculous movements that are taking place all over...its good some people actually care enough to voice a good opinion, unlike urself, ur opinion sucked
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    choppa? whaaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    SC that wasnt my point, lazy people are a problem, and so are the illegals, but what I put in I shall never see. Neither will my father. Hes put in taxes since he was 15, hes 52 now. I can agree with the government on main things, but your looking at all the small people and pointing your finger at them saying "Its your fault" when its only 1/3 their fault.
    #1 - I'm not looking at "small people". I'm looking at people who do not belong here. I'm looking at people who are, ipso facto, criminals. I do not want my hard earned dollar going to pay for the healthcare of people who should not be here.

    # 2 - In one breath, you tell me how bad government has managed things. That your poor father, who has worked and paid since he was 15 will now get nothing. And you won't either. That's one hell of a fucking sales pitch for letting these people be in charge of my healthcare. Fuck that.

    Listen folks, if you want something done VERY BADLY let the government do it. I don't want my healthcare run very badly...

    If the government pays $50 for a hammer under a military contract, how much will your government provided Tylenol cost under a government run healthcare plan? $100? I don't want that. How about you?


    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    Do you look at the big ass business's that get monster cuts from the government on taxes? Do you look at the government higher ups who waste tons, and what about all these programs.
    Listen, I'll make this very clear for you. I'll use very small words, and very simple concepts since it seems you aren't getting it.

    Let's walk through this situation and see if you can keep up. For example, I own a business. I pay taxes. I have people who work for me. I have a budget for those people. Later this year, you come along and impose your "fuck the businessman" approach.

    Hrm... Taxes just went up... Profits are leaving the company. How should I handle this? I guess I'll not hire the new position I had slated for this year. Everyone else is going to have to work harder. Or maybe if the tax is big enough, I'll also have to fire someone, and get everyone else to work a little harder. That's how it works in the real world kid. There isn't some magic "rich peoples" bucket of money that just generates cash. We work for it. We sometimes, when we are successful, hire people to either help us make it, or to do work we'd rather not do.

    If you raise my taxes, aside from the damage above, I'll tell you what the first things are that happen here at home.

    #1 I fire my landscaper. I can cut the grass myself, but he can't have my money. Who loses? The landscaper. Not me.

    #2 I fire the ChemLawn folks. Green grass doesn't mean that much to me. Oops, Chemlawn fired some people. Who loses? The guy with the high school diploma they were paying to spray my lawn. Not me.

    #3 I drop all my unnecessary "entertainment" expenses. No more DirecTV bill, no more eating out. Damn, waitresses lost tips. A cook lost his job. DirecTV fired some support people, they don't need them anymore.

    You getting the point yet? Your "fuck the rich people" and "fuck big business" attitude hasn't fucked anyone but the "little people" you seem so keen to defend.

    You fuck with the people who generate the wealth and people lose jobs. Yea, I work a little harder, but I keep my wealth. The people who run "big business", they do the same. Your plan fucks the very people you want to defend.

    That's how the real world works. My earnings don't exist for your benefit. They exist for mine. You try to take them from me, I'll do everything I can to keep them. Make it impossible for me to keep them, and I'll stop earning them.

    What you, and many people like you miss, is that you can't force me to think. You can force me to work (at the point of a gun) but physical labor doesn't generate wealth or jobs. Force me to work and I'm just like my landscaper, getting paid for physical labor. The only thing you accomplish on your road is the destruction of wealth. That's the way it works.

    Read this page: http://www.bard.net/atlas.html

    Really read it. Comprehend it. Understand it. That's the way it works. That's the way people who generate wealth think. That's the way people who generate jobs think.

    Simply put, my will, and my mind are my own. My weath is a product of them. And you can only take from me what I let you. I'm finished with letting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    Im not one for a free hand out and I never will be that way. I have been supporting myself since I was 18 and in college. But a program similar to this one is not bad. In germany the government is actually helping the people, and all of them. Its a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" system..
    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - is that what you are spouting? Do you know the origin of that phrase?

    It's is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx. The phrase summarizes the idea that, under a communist system, every person shall produce to the best of their ability in accordance with their talent, and each person shall receive the fruits of this production in accordance with their need, irrespective of what they have produced.

    Welcome to being a Marxist.

    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    Big companies, lazy people, people who abuse the system, and crappy polices and systems are bleeding this country dry.
    Go back and read everything I wrote and try that again. Your government is bleeding this country dry. And you are helping them do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by D34DC311
    Who the hell is biteing the hand that feeds? when you pay into the system yet see nothing or very little back? The government is the one biting the hand that feeds and its the wrong hand.
    The government is biting the hand of those who generate wealth and jobs, and you are helping them do it. You are asking that they do it MORE because they have mismanaged things.

    You think government is the solution to this problem. The government is what CREATED this problem. With the help of people who think just like you.

    I'd go back to that college you keep going on about and ask them for a refund, there are some glaring holes in your education. You've been "programmed" very well. And it appears you paid them to do it to you as well.

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee Sunny Jim... Reality is knocking on your door.

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    And this is where Mike and I agree completely, D34DC311. "Big Business" and the "wealthy" pay the VAST majority of the taxes. Think I'm biased? I'm not either, but I am informed. Big business gives you and me jobs, and while certain examples make poor choices from time to time, more don't and they keep America ticking. Think of your 401K or mutual funds... If not for them who exactly would you invest for your future with? Who would employ you? Socialism has been tried over and over again, and has failed miserably every single time. Do you think socializing America will be any different?

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