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    Default Re: removing egr

    -Your fuel is no better, you grade it differently. It's like saying 2.54 centimeters is more than 1 inch...
    -ECU is tuned for EGR or not. Period. Doesn't matter if it's a USDM ECU or not, it's going to have the same advanced timing and lack of fuel because it's expecting the EGR to be there (because if it didn't it would run like shit with the EGR)
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    Poodles - 95 RON is equivalent of 91.5 PON. Average in the US is what, 87/88/89 octane?

    I've *NEVER* heard of anyone removing EGR getting detonation on our fuel. I've never in my life experienced it, and i've run more than a few turbocharged cars, none of them designed for EGR either. Our vacuum setup is different from yours too. There are at least two UK spec cars running around that never had EGR installed from the factory. Grey plug ECU's, same numbers as the rest of us - and.....oh look they've not exploded yet, or caused any problems whatsoever.


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    High octane here is 93, like I said, it's no better (unless you're speaking of california where they have shit gasoline)

    I'm telling you, it's either tuned for EGR or not. If it's not tuned for the EGR, it would cause issues if the EGR was there.

    There are 20 different part numbers for ECU's outside of NATO for 89+ alone, cut that in half for manual and AT and you're still at 10 different revisions. It's not as simple as a grey plug or yellow plug.
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    Okay - what part are you NOT getting? THERE ARE NO ISSUES. If there were, there would be plenty of people complaining about it. I see none. Every single person within the UK that's removed EGR has had *NO* problems. There are FOUR ECU's for the UK. Two Yellow, Two Grey. One Auto, One Manual. That's it.

    All 1989 to 1992 manuals have the following part numbers:

    UK 7M-GTE M/T ECU on my desk - P/N: 89661-14390.
    JDM 7M-GTE M/T ECU - P/N: 89661-24100
    USDM 7M-GTE M/T ECU - P/N: 89661-14030

    The JDM and UK ones are virtually identical, the USDM ones are somewhat different. All the maps are the same. Only two subroutines differ - one of which is for EGR. The JDM and UK ECU's differ only in the fact that the ECU has ONE resistor different. Code is the same between the two, including the provision of the EGR subroutine. The code for the USDM EGR is DIFFERENT.

    What the EGR subroutine does is tell the ECU how to compensate for the inclusion of exhaust gases into the intake charge. It calculates throttle position against engine load, switches the VSV if need be and the ECU will alter its fuelling accordingly. The difference in the code is the *degree of compensation*.

    Just to clarify, i was *not* suggesting that our 95 RON is by any means 'high octane' - thats the LOWEST GRADE we have. High octane here would be considered 100+ octane. Tell me Poodles - why have an EGR subroutine working on worse case scenario 87 octane fuel, when that grade of fuel isn't EVER going to be put in the system? It's not. It works out its subroutine based on 91 octane fuel for us. As a result, timing is not as affected as yours.

    My position remains the same. Remove it, the OP will see no issues. It's been done before, plenty of people have done it and suffered NO ill effects whatsoever, not even a thrown code. I've done enough research on this to warrant doing it to mine without any worry whatsoever. And yes, before you ask, i *HAVE* read through all of the posts from jetjock, read every single post from 3p14159265 on the subject (regarding the ECU) and gone through the disassembled program code in IDA.


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    I doesn't throw a code, it just blows headgaskets.

    Yes, it's a single resister that swaps between EGR or non-EGR operation (even for USDM ECU's). Do the resister mod and be done with it, or compromise your tune.

    Our lowest grade is 91-92 RON, also keep in mind that that octane is NOT recommended in the owner's manual.
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    Poodles - there's not a SHRED of evidence of that happening in ANYONES vehicle. How many UK supra owners do you know, Poodles? How many of them do you know that have taken EGR off? Out of those, how many of them have had a headgasket blow as a result of removing the EGR? You're speculating and grasping at straws. What may be the case for a vehicle in the US does NOT mean the same is true for a vehicle in a different country, on different fuel, with a different ECU.

    Do i have to keep reminding you that this is for a UK SPEC CAR with a UK SPEC ECU. We're NOT talking about a US vehicle. If it WERE a US Spec vehicle, we wouldn't be having this discussion. For the US - EGR stays. For the UK? BIN IT.


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    EGR functions exactly the same on both cars, so yes it's going to have an issue on either ECU.

    It's like the UK members swearing by their strut tower bars. A thousand screaming idiots can't be wrong, right?
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    Put the car on the dyno and do a IM240. Then unplug that egr and see what happens to those NOx emmisions.
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    Poodles - i'm tired of arguing with you. The EGR does work in the same way, i never said otherwise, i said the *DEGREE OF COMPENSATION* is different. As for calling us 'screaming idiots', despite the fact that of those that have done it, not a SINGLE person has had a problem or an 'issue', despite your vehement protests. I'm not talking about doing this on USDM cars, with USDM ECU's.

    NOx will be different, yes. This makes bugger all difference to us, seeing as they're NOT EVEN TESTED. All our Emissions tests for, are CO (3.5% limit) and HC (1200ppm limit). NOx isn't even tested on pre-1995 vehicles.

    Do i have to keep mentioning - UK SPEC CAR, BEING USED IN THE UK? It's like you don't read...


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    Just because its not tested does NOT mean it doesnt matter. Why do you care so much about a goverment standard test when it has no use in real world every day driving? Where is your data? I guess you should tune your car stationary then too right ?
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