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Post Comprehensive Lighting Modification Thread
by suprarx7nut 07-20-2008, 03:18 AM

This thread is intended to answer basic questions about the lighting set-up in the MKIII. I have completed the gauge lighting and climate control using LED's and a PWM dimmer. The first two posts will be continually updated as I complete all my lighting throughout the car.

Gauge Cluster Lighting

FROM THIS:


TO THIS:


Bulbs:
Type_____Qty
#194_____4
#74______1





Many members have used LED's from with success. These LED's are simply "plug and play" and require no extra modification.

_____194__________74______

Simply remove the old bulb and replace with a new LED bulb.

When using the 5 WLED bulbs the oil gauge may appear dimmer than the other gauges since the oil gauge is lit by only one #74. I solved this COMPLETELY by placing a small section of aluminum foil over the bulb, directing most all the light onto the gauge face and its clear plastic "light carrier".

Light dispersion is very important for the gauge cluster's appearance. "Hot spots", where lights can become focused, are your enemy. When using LED lights, hot spots can be a problem. This can be fixed by using "wide angle" LED lights. These lights put more light out the sides of the bulb and help to prevent hot spots. Using the 5 bulb LED's from superbrightled can lead to hotspots directly in front of the bulbs. (3 and 9 O'clock on the speedo and tach especially) I solved this by painting the tip of the top bulb black. Using just these bulbs will tend to make any painted needle appear dimmer. Beware.

Another method is to paint the incandescent bulbs. This is a cheap and relatively easy way to change the color, but care must be taken not to overcoat the bulbs making them too dim.


Climate Control Unit


Bulbs
29 - T1 (3mm)


13 for the indicators
16 for the buttons


Using the 3mm LED's from superbright made my climate control insanely bright. If I were to do this again, I would use an LED with a lesser MCD rating. Mine were rated at ~4500 mcd and that was way too much. Looks neat by itself, but it is blinding at night on a highway.

CC unit disassembled, showing the Temp display and the button lighting LED's:




Here is the backside of that same plate. You can see the solder joints which you will need to de-solder and then re-solder your new LED's in place:




Interior Lighting

All bulbs here are awaiting confirmation. If one is incorrect, notify me via PM or post here.

Location_______________Bulb Type

**Bulb tpyes that I am CERTAIN of are in BOLD

Key ring _______________#74
Driver's footwell_________#74
Overhead lamp__________BA9
Cigarette lighter ________#74
Ash tray_______________#74
Driver's window switch___
Glove box______________#74
Vanity Mirror___________#3022?
Door Panel_____________#3022
Hatch light ____________#3022
Exterior key ring ________
[B]Dash Buttons___________12V incandescent[B] << Need to integrate resistors w/3mm led.


Total required:
Type_____QTY

Changing the switch lighting is far from plug'n'play.

Here's how I did it:

-Remove switch from panel
-Remove rocker part of switch (front face that you touch)
-Remove nasty green filter by punching out the part of the face that lights up. We'll call this the "icon".
Defroster filter shown below

-Remove filter layer by prying the layers apart with a jewlers screwdriver or a razor.
-No more green. (Yes!)
-Replace icon with super glue or the like.

Swapping in LEDs:
Since the old bulb was incandescent and ran on 12V, we need to alter the voltage your new 3mm LED will see. This is accomplished via resistor(s).
Common 3mm led's will require something around 2-3V. Careful! Too much voltage/current will blow an LED immediately. For my white and red LED's I needed about 500 ohms resistance.

Use this equation; The resistor value, R is given by:

R = (VS - VL) / I

VS = supply voltage (12-14V)
VL = LED voltage (usually 2.7V, but 3-4V for blue and white LEDs, check your LED's spec sheet)
I = LED current (e.g. 20mA), this must be less than the maximum permitted

Easy, right? I hope so. If not, you may want to revisit high school math/physics.

Ok, so now you know what you need. Go to radioshack or any other electrons parts retailer and get some resistors. Time to solder...

Making the circuit within the switch:
Remove the backing to the switch. It is snap fit and requires careful prying.
Remove old bulb from rubber socket. Notice how the light is fed with voltage.
Insert new LED into rubber socket.
Cut the resistors down so only about ~1/2" of wire extends from the resistor. Now I needed to use two resistors in series to achieve my target resistance, so I needed to combine two.
Solder the resistors together and to the LED, making one lead of the LED really long. Use shrink insulation to enclose the wiring mess you made.
Like this:

Now you need to connect this to the other terminal of the rubber socket.

Insert back into switch panel. Test which way it needs to go. Only one way will light because LED's are polarized. Dur.

Done.

This was the fog switch, but I did the hazard and defroster the exact same way.

EXAMPLE ORDER FROM SUPER BRIGHT LEDS
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DIMMER wiring:



I wanted to have control over the climate control to get it a little closer to the dash lighting and THEN be able to control both together. I ran into a problem: The climate control uses a voltage regulator or some controller within itself that cuts out if the dimmer signal going in is adjusted either with a pwm or the regular dimmer. DAMN.

My current set-up is as shown above and allows me to control the climate control with the stock dimmer to dim it down to it's lowest point. From here I can dim the dash and the cc unit by using the PWM dimmer I bought from superbrightleds. This works well, but it'd be really nice to tap into the cc unit wiring. CRE had told me that he found the true dimming line within the cc unit, but I'll have to ask him to remind me of that wire.

Here's my current set-up:






Headlights


Under Construction - This section will cover the "headlight rewire", "foglight rewire" and "H4 conversions". All of these have been covered plenty, but since this is supposed to be an "answer all" for lighting, info will be provided.

The headlight rewire I am planning on covering here is from Daniel Stern lighting. It involves using a standard Bosch relay to allow your headlights to be powered straight from the battery, INSTEAD of the shoddy, 20 yr old, small diameter stock wire and the switch on the steering wheel stalk. The benefit is that the voltage your lights see, will be much higher, in theory. I will be measuring my results to see how much a difference it actually makes.

Info on relays and the whole purpose behind this rewire: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...ys/relays.html

[Summary will be here for those of you who dont want to read the pages of text in the above link.]


The foglight rewire I will focus on is the one which allows you to turn on the fogs WITHOUT the headlights being on. You can also wire the fogs to use a relay, instead of the stock wiring, which I will cover as well.

Most this info will come from Dylan Wiggans' write-up. [Cwapface]


Finally the H4 conversion, which some say to be a safety upgrade involves swapping out the stock sealed beam headlamps for higher quality, H4 housings which allow replaceable H4 bulbs to be used. Hella E-codes have a great reputation for this procedure among our cars and I will hopefully be installing and documenting the differences with a pair later this year.

This one is very straightforward. Until I do my own this may only have links to vendors who sell e-codes.

Last edited by suprarx7nut; 01-26-2009 at 04:06 PM. Reason: updates...
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Good thread.. I should have done this a long time ago but always forgot to put it together.
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That's him... that's my boy... ... I knew him back when he drove a Honda...
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That's him... that's my boy... ... I knew him back when he drove a Honda...


...that fucking honda.

Didn't you say something about sleep?

I need more pics for this thread. It's annoying trying to find someone else's pics that happen to include what I want. Maybe this will motivate me to do mine sooner, but I can't decide on a color...
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Good Thread. How does the other two stock gauges look?
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Awesome! It' about time someone did this =) I remember having to dig through quite a few pages of posts to find out what LEDs I needed.
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Re: Comprehensive Lighting Modification Thread

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Good Thread. How does the other two stock gauges look?
The oil gauge is one that I hear people have trouble with. It is lit by the one #74 bulb, so I guess when you use brighter bulbs(5WLED) the oil gauge can look dimmer than the rest. I will try to alleviate this when I do mine. I want it to look near perfect if I do it at all.

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Awesome! It' about time someone did this =) I remember having to dig through quite a few pages of posts to find out what LEDs I needed.
Yup, me too. I estimate I've probably spent 3-5 hours searching through all the LED lighting threads to try to find the needed info. Hopefully when this is done, it will allow people to get all the info they need in one, easy to find, place.


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nice picture
Figured you might like that

Do you have any other pics of the dash? I'll resizing and cropping all the photos anyways, but I'd love it if I could get one pic that included all gauges.
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Re: Comprehensive Lighting Modification Thread

actually i did not take one, but i'll probably take one tomorrow at work, to get the whole gauge, as as suprarx7nut stated, the gas gauge is the hardest to light, but you guys that are trying to refer to that picture above, those are just not led's so even if you did do led conversions it will not be that bright
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