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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharp View Post
    Jeez, if you are going to invest in suspension, do it right. If your looking for a "budget" coilover system go with BC racings. I promise you, you will notice a difference. And yes, coilovers are very worth it. After getting my first set of coilovers I could never drop another cent on shocks/springs.
    Or stop drinking the coolaid and marketing gimmicks and build a proper setup that will outperform an off the shelf coilover with generic valving.
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    No Poodles, he's talking about drifting. Drifting doesnt actually require complex suspension, its just gotta be stiff and low. Thats what gets the points and what matters in DRIFTING

    Now if this was a form of RACING then what you say is correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimsta View Post
    No Poodles, he's talking about drifting. Drifting doesnt actually require complex suspension, its just gotta be stiff and low. Thats what gets the points and what matters in DRIFTING

    Now if this was a form of RACING then what you say is correct
    Then in that case it's even better to go with a built setup as you can get absurdly high spring rates and not have to worry about the dampeners. Threaded sleeves will allow the drop you need in such a case.
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    Threaded sleeves wont let you drop as low as low as certain coilovers for that drifting style. You can go low, but not DRIFTING low, then you're also preloading your damper and thats a no no, with independent ride height adjustment you're not sacrificing travel for going real low
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    Rebuild the bilstein with a shorter stroke (mine are) and run a shorter spring, done. Even easier with a koni.

    Never EVER seen a professional drift car with an off the shelf coilover setup anyway. Most are rebuildable units like can be bought from bilstein (and not the cheap ones).
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    WTF!? There are hella cars running "off the shelf" setups, with perhaps some custom spring rates. And with all this rebuilding and customing and etc, etc, etc your talking about, now you've racked up a bill for twice as much as some Zankoku, BC, Stance, PBM coilovers, which are all very affordable and which many many drifters use. There are lots of Stance and Powered By Max coilovers on these professional cars

    Anyways, this is just going to round and round, like the SR to KA-T discussion, its pointless and stupid. Bascially there are pros and cons to each setup. If you have a rebuildable and customizable set of coilovers, then that will automatically trump you're mix n match setup, ha ha haaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodles View Post
    Rebuild the bilstein with a shorter stroke (mine are) and run a shorter spring, done. Even easier with a koni.

    Never EVER seen a professional drift car with an off the shelf coilover setup anyway. Most are rebuildable units like can be bought from bilstein (and not the cheap ones).
    Yea bro, learn about your suspensions. BCs are fully rebuild-able as well as dynoed from the factory. And I've never seen a professional drift car period because I don't really like drifting but I have been around and have lot's of friends who have built Rally America cars, many of them use "off the shelf" coilovers, whatever that means. You think I would recommend a product if it was garbage? I have had all sort of suspensions, for two separate cars I have owned, I built "custom" coilovers, one with Koni yellows, the other with Bilstein Sports and custom sleeves. My best friend has a turbo Subaru GC with BCs. I have many hours behind the wheel of that car and we drive it hard on both tarmac and gravel. He's running 800/600# spring rates and even at the softest setting for around town use they stay well controlled and refined. Oh did I mention they are also inverted? Yea, you can not get inverted Bilsteins as far as I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimsta View Post
    WTF!? There are hella cars running "off the shelf" setups, with perhaps some custom spring rates. And with all this rebuilding and customing and etc, etc, etc your talking about, now you've racked up a bill for twice as much as some Zankoku, BC, Stance, PBM coilovers, which are all very affordable and which many many drifters use. There are lots of Stance and Powered By Max coilovers on these professional cars

    Anyways, this is just going to round and round, like the SR to KA-T discussion, its pointless and stupid. Bascially there are pros and cons to each setup. If you have a rebuildable and customizable set of coilovers, then that will automatically trump you're mix n match setup, ha ha haaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharp View Post
    Yea bro, learn about your suspensions.
    Who are you again?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharp View Post
    BCs are fully rebuild-able as well as dynoed from the factory.
    They state that they're rebuildable (as are all coilovers I'e seen), but I see no proof of them being dynoed. I bet they're all valved the same as they have 30 adjustment points

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    And I've never seen a professional drift car period because I don't really like drifting but I have been around and have lot's of friends who have built Rally America cars, many of them use "off the shelf" coilovers, whatever that means.
    You think I would recommend a product if it was garbage? I have had all sort of suspensions, for two separate cars I have owned, I built "custom" coilovers, one with Koni yellows, the other with Bilstein Sports and custom sleeves. My best friend has a turbo Subaru GC with BCs. I have many hours behind the wheel of that car and we drive it hard on both tarmac and gravel. He's running 800/600# spring rates and even at the softest setting for around town use they stay well controlled and refined. Oh did I mention they are also inverted? Yea, you can not get inverted Bilsteins as far as I know.
    BC doesn't make inverted style for the Supra, so it's a moot point. They also only have a one year warranty and cost $1250
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodles View Post
    Who are you again?



    They state that they're rebuildable (as are all coilovers I'e seen), but I see no proof of them being dynoed. I bet they're all valved the same as they have 30 adjustment points



    BC doesn't make inverted style for the Supra, so it's a moot point. They also only have a one year warranty and cost $1250
    I don't understand. Do you actually think that BCs are sub-par coilovers? They have a 95 dollar per coil lifetime rebuild policy. I don't know any other coilovers that have the same warranty? Are you kidding, 95 dollars for a rebuild is insanely cheap. Also you act like 1300 for coils is a lot. It's a BUDGET coilover. It's never going to be a Ohlins but for serious coilovers, that's a superb price. Don't get me wrong, Konis and Bilsteins are both good shocks but when autoxing or going for a drive I like easy adjustment.

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    Default Re: Are coilovers really worth it?

    Poodles, out of the factory of course they're all valved the same. But what he's saying is that with them being completely re-buildable like ours if the "factory setting" doesnt suit you, either you or the manufacturer CAN revalve them to whatever you want. One thing I do know about BC though is if you request different sping rates they dont revalve their damper. We actually revalve ours for the different spring rate.

    And BTW, BC DOESNT make an inverted MKIII coilover. We dont either. But both us and BC do have inverteds for Subarus- that may have been what he was talking about
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