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    Different Supra, same results. I picked up an 88 in October with a full Apexi Titanium exhaust, and am just now getting pulled over. I'm impressed I made it this far, granted my other Supra was much louder with it's Megan muffler and God only knows what exhaust.

    Anyways, I'm thinking of options for battling this case. So far I have two thoughts. One, I'm pretty sure my exhaust is actually as quiet, if not quieter, than a stock Supra exhaust. And since the law of VA states "OEM or like OEM equipment," but gives no mention to either in form or function, I could test the dB levels. Apexi claims under 95 dB, anyone know what the dB level of stock exhaust is?

    My second argument is simply the product statement from Apexi's site:

    http://www.apexi-usa.com/categories/?id=5314
    All A'PEXi exhaust systems comply with applicable emission laws since they neither modify nor relocate the required factory emission control devices; they are considered "direct replacement" parts. Such parts do not require a CARB Executive Order (EO) since they are not "add on" or "modified" parts. A'PEXi exhaust systems are "functionally identical" to the OEM parts during emission tests. Sound levels are tested on stock vehicles before the product release to ensure compliance with the 95dB limit.
    My only issue with these are that I don't have a receipt for the exhaust, so I'd have to prove that I'm not making that up, I guess with pictures detailing the exhaust?

    Last option is just to get a shop to print off a receipt saying my exhaust has been changed.

    Anyone who's fought the fight have any input?

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    I'd print that page out and give it to the solicitor. Tell him your exhaust complies with VA law and that the case should be dismissed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supracentral View Post
    I'd print that page out and give it to the solicitor. Tell him your exhaust complies with VA law and that the case should be dismissed.
    This.
    Problem is you gotta do it before you go to court or your gonna be eating court cost, unless you state you will not pay them if the case is won. I don't exactly know how that works out, but like mike said BRING those with you!
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    If VA is anything like MA, that won't hold up. ANYTHING other than a stock replacement is illegal here. Even a stock replacement's noise is "left to the discretion of the officer".

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    Any law that vague isn't valid an needs to be challenged. Any law that leaves things up to subjective opinion tends to get struck down on appeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supra90turbo View Post
    If VA is anything like MA, that won't hold up. ANYTHING other than a stock replacement is illegal here. Even a stock replacement's noise is "left to the discretion of the officer".

    Not trying to discourage, I wish you all the best. By all means, prove me wrong!
    I've won this case before by simply replacing the muffler with another aftermarket one. It didn't matter which one, just the fact that I had it replaced and had a receipt to show that I had it replaced was enough for the judge to dismiss the case entirely.

    While I could do that again, I'd prefer not to, just because I like this exhaust, and because I don't have any spare parts related to this laying around. Still, getting a receipt is an option, but I feel like that will cause more harm than good in the event that I ever get pulled over again, so I'm hoping to just convince the judge that the exhaust, according to written law, is legal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Supracentral View Post
    Any law that vague isn't valid an needs to be challenged.
    I agree 100%, this law specifically is way open to interpretation, and for that matter, isn't enforced fairly at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupraMario View Post
    This.
    Problem is you gotta do it before you go to court or your gonna be eating court cost, unless you state you will not pay them if the case is won. I don't exactly know how that works out, but like mike said BRING those with you!
    Last time it was dismissed and I didn't need to pay fees. Either way, I have until June 30th to figure this out. Just pregaming so I know where I'm going to go with this. :P

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    Sucks.

    I just got pulled over yesterday for exhaust and old purple tint with a 93db greddy sp exhaust(had ref sticker already tho).

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    Here's an idea of how many people it affects in MA: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    My buddy got pulled over countless times in his '03 SRT-4 when it was stock for "hollowed out muffler", beaten every time, but a hassle nonetheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Massachusetts: Chapter 90: Section 16. Offensive or illegal operation of motor vehicles
    No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.
    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia Code ß 46.2-1049
    � 46.2-1049. Exhaust system in good working order.

    No person shall drive and no owner of a vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any such vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual levels of noise; provided however, that for motor vehicles, such exhaust system shall be of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment. An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make.

    The term "exhaust system," as used in this section, means all the parts of a vehicle through which the exhaust passes after leaving the engine block, including mufflers and other sound dissipative devices.

    Chambered pipes are not an effective muffling device to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and any vehicle equipped with chambered pipes shall be deemed in violation of this section.

    (Code 1950, � 46-305; 1952, c. 455; 1956, c. 651; 1958, c. 541, � 46.1-301; 1960, c. 120; 1970, c. 266; 1972, c. 66; 1989, c. 727; 2006, cc. 529, 538.)
    Seems like Virginia's exhaust laws are very similar to Massachusetts' laws. I would suggest getting with SEMA and the SEMA Action Network to stop the ridiculous laws from popping up every week.
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    just an idea for future events, look up the laws on exhaust tickets in VA and look them over, I found in Maryland if they pull me over and say my exhaust is too loud I can ask to see the decibel meter readout they used to determine this and if they can't produce it, no ticket. So maybe there is something you can do to try to prevent future tickets or show proof to the officer that it is indeed legal, but as for the current case Im sure if VA has a law that it needs to be under 95 decibels, or whatever the max is and it needs to be OEM or like OEM equipment, as long as you can prove that it complies with that it should be a slam dunk win for you, good luck though

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    Usually its up to the officers digression.

    Either way if they say your exhaust is too loud and give you a ticket your the one who has to pay.

    Both of which are stupid since harleys have the loudest exhausts wait no they dont have mufflers and were getting tickets.

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