Why you can't try to teach people about oil

[GeneStarWindGSW]

http://www.floridastreetscene.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12753

you try to show them the light and they crawl right back into the cave :nono:

you can start reading it from page 5.

[jdub]

I went ahead and approved this even though it's "kinda" off topic in this forum. Damn amusing though ;)
What it does illustrate as Gene alludes to, is that concerning motor oil people have a huge number of misconceptions, "myth believers", and ignorance of how oil actually works.

Good on you Gene for trying to set them straight and you did a pretty damn good job considering the intelligence level you were dealing with. I'll tell you though, JJ told me long ago it's like shoveling sand against the tide. That thread is a perfect illustration. ;)

[jetjock]

It's true. Why I gave up. I remain surprised by your success at it. Must be all in the delivery...

[Zumtizzle]

Dude owns a Z31. I wouldn't even bother. ;)

JetJock: Your information is highly regarded by me. :)

rx7_guy knows whats up. :)

[Doward]

It's true. Why I gave up. I remain surprised by your success at it. Must be all in the delivery...

When you come across an especially thick skull, sometimes a fine toothed chisel works better to get through the cracks than a 10 lbs sledgehammer ;)

[Doward]

Gene, I joined over there to help educate, but I'm not allowed to post. LOL

[jdub]

Gene, I joined over there to help educate, but I'm not allowed to post. LOL


Thought about it myself, but I don't think that crowd would like me very much ;)

[Doward]

I thought the same thing, then realized - I don't care if they like me. I just want the correct information posted there, so that anyone that happens upon it with a brain might learn ;)

[IJ.]

I'm hard on my Stupid limiter here (had to bail on SF couldn't stand it any longer)

I'm not even going to click the link as it's just another doorway to stupid by the sound of it...

How do these people survive the real world surely people would punch them in the head each time they opened their mouths...

[Tanya]

FSS (both .net and .com) are worthless off topic whoring websites.

Please do not be concerned :p

[Doward]

rofl - appreciate the PSA, Tanya ;)

[GeneStarWindGSW]

Thanks everyone for the support. Its was hard to get anything past them without throwing some sort of garbage at me.

Thats why I'd turn all questions to SM before going anywhere else :bigthumb:


Gene, I joined over there to help educate, but I'm not allowed to post. LOL

Yea there is like a waiting period and once your validated you should be able to post.

It's true. Why I gave up. I remain surprised by your success at it. Must be all in the delivery...

Yea, you really have to dumb it down for them ;)

They probably wouldn't understand a word you say if you try to explain anything to them ;)

FSS (both .net and .com) are worthless off topic whoring websites.

Please do not be concerned :p

Yea pretty much

I find some nice things for sale sometimes though :biglaugh:

[foreverpsycotic]

Wow, ignorance = bliss on that forum.
At least you tried, and got one or 2 to listen in and start to learn.

[adampecush]

How do these people survive the real world surely people would punch them in the head each time they opened their mouths...

Probably because most of these people rarely leave their basement for actual face-to-face contact with others.

[figgie]

I hate to ask this but I was born and raised in Florida so I must, so I can avoid the stupidity!

This board is all of florida or Miami?

[Poodles]

adam: no basements in Florida....but I know lots of people that live in garages LOL

[GeneStarWindGSW]

I hate to ask this but I was born and raised in Florida so I must, so I can avoid the stupidity!

This board is all of florida or Miami?

its mostly for south florida but its welcome to all Florida people.

[CTsupra]

Tell "omorales" I want to punch him repeatedly :) ...and please tell the folk on that forum to stop using the ghetto talk, yo.

[Tanya]

Yep, mostly Miami/Ft L punks...

[Poodles]

hey hey, I'm one of those "punks"

[Tanya]

hey hey, I'm one of those "punks"


um... no you're not. the kidiots I'm talking about had their little mini mafia wars and all that nonsense... it's more of a "clique" than a car enthusiast club

[DreamerTheresa]

Holy ass penis, Batman. That forum make my brain bleed out my nostrils.

[chefma70]

i went to the advanced autoparts near my house with my friend. i went to buy some ow30 based on what i read from jetjock and jdub and a few others who sounded knowlegable.

i was gona buy the castrol hd30 and my friend looked at me like i was a crack head and the guy at the register recommended 20w40 and also looked at me like i was high.

in the end i went to grab some 5w30 and the same 2 people said my motors too old and has lots of miles you cant run 5w30 anymore get at least 10w30 so thats what i got.

[Keros]

i went to the advanced autoparts near my house with my friend. i went to buy some ow30 based on what i read from jetjock and jdub and a few others who sounded knowlegable.

i was gona buy the castrol hd30 and my friend looked at me like i was a crack head and the guy at the register recommended 20w40 and also looked at me like i was high.

in the end i went to grab some 5w30 and the same 2 people said my motors too old and has lots of miles you cant run 5w30 anymore get at least 10w30 so thats what i got.

If the Toyota factory service manual recommends it, use it. Otherwise, assume your friends or the guy behind the counter at the parts store doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a harsh truth, but one you should take to heart.

On that note, what the hell is with those guys and using ATF as 0w30 engine oil?

[StiCk3]

i went to the advanced autoparts near my house with my friend. i went to buy some ow30 based on what i read from jetjock and jdub and a few others who sounded knowlegable.

i was gona buy the castrol hd30 and my friend looked at me like i was a crack head and the guy at the register recommended 20w40 and also looked at me like i was high.

in the end i went to grab some 5w30 and the same 2 people said my motors too old and has lots of miles you cant run 5w30 anymore get at least 10w30 so thats what i got.

Keep in mind that most of the people who work at Advanced Auto and Autozone (we here like to call it the Twilight Zone due to a few horror stories going around) are not trained technicians and are simply going off of what they "think" is right. Not to say that there are some smart cookies behind those counters, but in the end they are simply trying to sell parts to the DIY consumer.

[Tire Shredder]

I hear you man, went through the same stuff on my boards.

wow, even though rx7 guy is on your side, he's wrong too.

he said: "when cold the oil acts as a 10w meaning...when its cold its not as thick and when its hot it gets thicker..."

maybe telling them that their engine was designed for an oil that behaves like a 30weight oil at operating temperature and at lower temperatures say, 65 Degrees F a 0W oil is still many times thicker than what the engine was intended to use.

take note that there is no downside to running the lowest "cold" viscosity as possible and a SERIOUS downside to running an oil that is too viscous before operating temp.

[RacerXJ220]

I actually couldn't believe how you posted the CORRECT information, with excellent references and they still blow it off.

[bmoss85]

Its funny how these guys comment on what race engines could and couldn't run and they've probably never been around one.

[jdub]

^^^ You got that right...most guys you run into a "wanna be" race car driver that spout off the worst BS about oil. Here's a short interview with Rusty Wallace on the subject of synthetic oil and the weights they use in NASCAR. Note the part about: "we don't race anything over 30 weight nowadays" ;)

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/goss/2313.shtml

[bmoss85]

Most people probably wouldnt believe the technology that actually goes into nascar. I was very suprised when I was in school.

Thats a great article jdub, that most people should read. Since it seems like most people seem to think they are running 50w in racing.

[jdub]

NASCAR teams have not run a 50W (or a 40W for that matter) oil in a long time...think about it: With the way NASCAR rules are concerning every tiny detail of the car, even a few HP advantage is important. Thinner oils mean less fluid friction losses...on the street, we see it as improved gas mileage....on the track, it can be enough to put you ahead by a nose ;)

Of course, if you point that out to the type crowd the subject of this thread is about, the response will be: "NASCAR and import racing engines are way different..." Yeah, right.

[starscream5000]

Shit, after reading on that forum I think I'll toss out my stash of 50 quarts of GC for some Mobile1 FTMFW!!@#$!

:3d_frown:

[wiseco7mgt]

There's nothing wrong with not knowing the right oil to use until shown proof and told otherwise but it's another thing to just stick your head up your own ass and come up with something stupid like half of these ass hats.
(thanks jdub for showing me the light).....