Coming 2009 from MoTeC

[figgie]

New ECU's and other goodies.

The M1 series ECU.

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/M1%20ECU.pdf?docid=2894

this time though they have more options. I see 3 autosport connectors on the pro stuff and three versions of the pro M1 series. so I can already thing of what that is going to cost.

The thing about this version.

This is going to require some major computer skills as it requires programming for customization. Folks, this is as close as having the source code to an EMS here with direct customization of the software. In other words NOT for the faint of heart or for those lacking computer skills.


PDM15/30

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/PDM15-30.pdf?docid=2896

Unlike the PDM16/32 (Which I own one). It is the same exact software except in a plastic enclosure (presumably to bring cost down.. SIGNIFICANTLY) using the same AMP connectors as the Mx00 series ECU instead of the pricer Autosport connectors.

and more stuff!

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/New%20Products%2009.pdf?docid=2895

ADL3!
Wideband over CANbus
Video Capture System (Uses the MoTeC inputs as overlays, perfect sync).

Lots of stuff from the folks down under!

[upgradedsupra]

Damn Figgie! They just keep coming up with new stuff making the other stuff old. lol I want the PDM 30 as we talked about but it will be on a list for the future as other changes are happening.

Duane

[John Reed]

New ECU's and other goodies.

The M1 series ECU.

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/M1%20ECU.pdf?docid=2894

this time though they have more options. I see 3 autosport connectors on the pro stuff and three versions of the pro M1 series. so I can already thing of what that is going to cost.

The thing about this version.

This is going to require some major computer skills as it requires programming for customization. Folks, this is as close as having the source code to an EMS here with direct customization of the software. In other words NOT for the faint of heart or for those lacking computer skills.


PDM15/30

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/PDM15-30.pdf?docid=2896

Unlike the PDM16/32 (Which I own one). It is the same exact software except in a plastic enclosure (presumably to bring cost down.. SIGNIFICANTLY) using the same AMP connectors as the Mx00 series ECU instead of the pricer Autosport connectors.

and more stuff!

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/New%20Products%2009.pdf?docid=2895

ADL3!
Wideband over CANbus
Video Capture System (Uses the MoTeC inputs as overlays, perfect sync).

Lots of stuff from the folks down under!


Not quite true on the M1 series, I will attempt to lay it out in laymans terms (there is a lot going on and being sorted out still on these, so bear with me).

There are three "tiers" to the capability, and below I will describe each one briefly. Each level of capability is available on all the boxes in the M1 range (save for perhaps the M110, which is a ways from being done and may have a special situation to keep the cost down)

The lowest of these three tiers will be boxes specifically programmed by Motec to handle various platforms (such as a Supra/Toyota firmware, an LS Chevy firmware, etc) where the firmware is specific for these vehicles. You will be able to tune these ECUs just like any current Motec, however you will not be able to take say a LS series box and use it on a Supra. You can however use it on any LS engine supported. The idea here is to reduce the cost by reducing the company resources you have access/need for. Engineering costs are better spread evenly based on demand. Tuning will be very similar to what a Motec tuner is currently used to.

The second tier will be be very similar to what the current Motec lineup is. Motec will program the box with a fairly generic firmware, covering most common models out there. As new models are done, they will be added to the website and these "packages" can be loaded to the box. You will then select ref/sync pattern, and other setup items just like you would the current ECU range. You cannot however write custom firmware for this "tier" ECU, nor can it be upgraded. If you want something that isn't in one of the growing number of Motec "packages", you will have to do just like we currently do. Submit a request and wait for it to go through the channels of being written, tested and added as a Motec approved firmware package. This is how things work now, and once something is added, everyone has access to it.


The third tier will have the capability that Figgie has described, where it can be programmed almost at the source code level (meaning we are going to be pretty much writing our own custom firmware for applications if we want), BUT this at first is only going to be done by Motec, and after that selected dealers/teams (I put my name on the list already) will attend a probably two week training course (that will require testing to pass) to be able to have the software and tools to program the ECU at this level. With this setup, if you have a custom application you can have your own firmware written, that nobody else has access to. Even Motec will not know what your firmware contains if you do not want them to. If you want a 200x200 fuel map, then you simply make one. Perhaps you are the first to sort out the newest Ferrari model, then nobody else will have access to it unless they repeat all the work (or wait for Motec as a company to characterize that vehicle).

Hope that helps break it down, it is hard to sum it up in a relatively short space. Lets just say it is going to be ground breaking, exciting and also may put Motec quality into the hands of those who previously have not been able to afford it. Systems are projected to start hitting the market mid to late summer in limited numbers, with more to follow as the year progresses.

[John Reed]

Also, the new LTC 4.9 lambda module can be used on the current line of ECU/Dash products over the CAN BUS. A great way to get leading edge wideband technology in a small package (and cheaper than the onboard lambda option to boot!).

Let me know if you guys have any questions or need any Motec gear...

[figgie]

John

thanks for clearing that up....

I wasn't clear on my post about the full on "source code" access on the "PRO" level equipment (M170, M180 and M190) only.

At least they are starting to see that everyone would like MoTeC reliability without the "stagerring" price. :)

Brilliant idea on the platform specific EMSs. Definetly a good way to keep costs down and hopefully not get swampped with, I can't get Ref/Sync to sync up.. help!

[John Reed]

John

thanks for clearing that up....

I wasn't clear on my post about the full on "source code" access on the "PRO" level equipment (M170, M180 and M190) only.

At least they are starting to see that everyone would like MoTeC reliability without the "stagerring" price. :)

Brilliant idea on the platform specific EMSs. Definetly a good way to keep costs down and hopefully not get swampped with, I can't get Ref/Sync to sync up.. help!

"Pro" level access will be available on any of the ECUs in the range (save for perhaps the M110). Conversely, you could potentially have say a "LS" only M190. The flexibility of access is limitless.

I should also clarify on the fully open boxes, that does not mean the end user gets to jump in and write their own firmware. They will work with a trained "system integrator" (if they are not one themselves), to have the firmware written for their custom needs/wants/application. They then own the box and their own custom setup. I am guessing unless you have a race team or work with some off the wall projects (or perhaps Ron, just because) you will not be investing the money in both buying a top level box and also hiring a system integrator to build you firmware for it.

[jt2ma71]

LOL I didn't even know about this thread 'til now :) I just happen to check the MoTeC site while in class at work yesterday :) Then started txting John about them this morning :D
Lots of good stuff!!!:drool:

[John Reed]

LOL I didn't even know about this thread 'til now :) I just happen to check the MoTeC site while in class at work yesterday :) Then started txting John about them this morning :D
Lots of good stuff!!!:drool:

I was thinking ahead for you Ron. :)

[John Reed]

PDM15/30

http://www.motec.com.au/filedownload.php/PDM15-30.pdf?docid=2896

Unlike the PDM16/32 (Which I own one). It is the same exact software except in a plastic enclosure (presumably to bring cost down.. SIGNIFICANTLY) using the same AMP connectors as the Mx00 series ECU instead of the pricer Autosport connectors.


Sorry Figgie, not to nitpick your post (thanks by the way for highlighting all the new products coming out), but the PDM 15/30 feature the same magnesium enclosures as the new M1 series ECU. They did use AMP connectors to bring the cost down (quite a bit as you mentioned). I think the cost of the 30 is similar or slightly less than a autosport 16. I just ordered up a 30 today for a Supra! :)

[figgie]

Lol john, someone I know? ;)

Should be nice especially if they have other MoTeC stuff. That 4 gauge autosport crimper is pneaumatic and as such, pricey. Though I have seen them for sale at aerospace auctions. The battery stud is welcomed for ease of installation.

[Kristian_Wraae]

I just saw this now. That is great news.

I almost bought an M800 yesterday. That would have been a major bummer.

Now I'll definitely wait a bit.

Thank God for me being such a lazy cheap ass…

[John Reed]

Lol john, someone I know? ;)

Should be nice especially if they have other MoTeC stuff. That 4 gauge autosport crimper is pneaumatic and as such, pricey. Though I have seen them for sale at aerospace auctions. The battery stud is welcomed for ease of installation.

Nobody you know, yet. :) But it is a full drag Mk4, starting from a bare shell. Lots of goodies save for an SDL (had to make some concessions in the budget to get the overall package I wanted). We are doing an M800, CDI8, PDM30, E888, individual EGT, and the usual slew of sensors you would expect a guy like me to want given the chance to do so. :) I chose the Racepak IQ3 for the display, as I feel it is one of the best values right now (and the freshest looking display).

I almost went with the autosport PDM, but the cost difference of both the box itself and then the termination was just more than I wanted to take from the budget for this project.

[John Reed]

I just saw this now. That is great news.

I almost bought an M800 yesterday. That would have been a major bummer.

Now I'll definitely wait a bit.

Thank God for me being such a lazy cheap ass…

Depending on your time frame, don't expect M1 series stuff to start rolling out to the public until at least June (and depending on the box you want, it will be later than that). The first boxes out will be the M170/M190 autosport stuff, which is way above what I suspect the average guy will want/need. The M150 Sport is going to be "M800" level box, and it is due out late 2009.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Depending on your time frame, don't expect M1 series stuff to start rolling out to the public until at least June (and depending on the box you want, it will be later than that). The first boxes out will be the M170/M190 autosport stuff, which is way above what I suspect the average guy will want/need. The M150 Sport is going to be "M800" level box, and it is due out late 2009.

I can wait.

[figgie]

I can wait.


I sure hope so because you are looking at Q3/09 for the M800 equal in the M1. Unless you want to spend a heck of a lot more than the M880 (not the m800). Just in autosport connection addition, my guess is that you are looking at probably nearly $6000 for the M170.

the M190, more than likely out of reach for any of us mere mortals here.

M190
24 injector drivers (12 low + 12 high or 24 high)
12 ignition outputs.

Last time I saw spec like those are in the unicorn of the Bosch MS5.2 and the cost of that is €22,050 which in todays currency exchange rate, you are looking at $30,589 for the ECU alone.

John

looking at the spec sheet. The M130 is the closest from an output perspective save for knock outputs.

I am thinking there is going to be a significant hike in price considering all the additional outputs/inputs and 3 CANBus lines on the 140/150/180/190.At least now there are ethernet based!

[upgradedsupra]

I sure hope so because you are looking at Q3/09 for the M800 equal in the M1. Unless you want to spend a heck of a lot more than the M880 (not the m800). Just in autosport connection addition, my guess is that you are looking at probably nearly $6000 for the M170 and the M190.

M190
24 injector drivers (12 low + 12 high)
12 ignition outputs.

Last time I saw spec like those are in the unicorn of the Bosch MS5.2 and the cost of that is €22,050 which in todays currency exchange rate, you are looking at $30,589!

John

looking at the spec sheet. The M130 is the closest from an output perspective save for knock outputs.

I am thinking there is going to be a significant hike in price considering all the additional outputs/inputs and 3 CANBus lines on the 140/150/180/190.At least now there are ethernet based!

Many more features but something that the everyday person would use..? Or..other MoTec users would need?! :icon_bigg

[figgie]

Many more features but something that the everyday person would use..? Or..other MoTec users would need?! :icon_bigg


24 injector drivers.....

Perhaps if running nitro methane or 2000hp Methanol cars.

The configuration point of it.....That would have to be John R to tell you as that I am sure is not free ;)

Now with that siad, I can see where something like the M190 would be needed for say....The latest BMW with Dual Vanos, DBW over CANbus TB (which would need to be rev engineered and then programmed to the MoTeC, should beeasily done with a bit of CANBus sniffer capture), Direct injection and all the other electronic doodas that currently there is nothing that can interface with it.

Hell

these EMS are starting to be more like the full fledge computer networks.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Which models will be user programmable? I mean which models can you write scripts for yourself? All of them or will it be an add on?

I think it is a brilliant move by MoTeC to open up for this possibility. Could very well take some load of their own developement section and a sort open source community could arise.

I think I'll go for the M170. But let's see the pricing first.

[figgie]

Which models will be user programmable? I mean which models can you write scripts for yourself? All of them or will it be an add on?

I think it is a brilliant move by MoTeC to open up for this possibility. Could very well take some load of their own developement section and a sort open source community could arise.

I think I'll go for the M170. But let's see the pricing first.

Open source community?

Apparently you misunderstood me and John. The setup software is not free as it requires that anyone that uses it take a MoTeC course which is currently at two weeks. The source code is still MoTeC IP'd and also requires training classes to be attended by the user/developer before Microsof.. I mean MoTeC before being considered giving you the keys to the castle. The only thing that is yours is the physical script that a user creates meaning you. If John created it for you/your application. It is in no way, yours or free. The new MoTeC allows for TIGHTLY controlled security which means that if John R creates something and he was the one to put the time in to reverse engineer it (say Multiple DBW on a CANbus channel like Lambo's). Rest assured that it will not be read by anyone else unless you do physical rev eng at the hardware layer, figure out the encyption tech used by MoTeC, Then figure out the key pairs required for the encryption. Then, rev eng the machine code to something that is readable.


The chance of this program even getting remote close to open source is best said, go play the lottery as you will have better chances there.

Now with that said,

As been shown with the Mx00 ecu. The need for customization is minimal unless you are trying to drive some of the more exotic cars (lambo, Ferrari, BMW with their individual TB for each cylinder, Direct injection Gasoline engines etc). On the MKIII. hell really all that is needed is inputs and outputs and perhaps option to throw in DBW.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Well I was just reading from the MoTeC website:

Setup is used to customise the functionality of the ECU,
providing an unprecedented level of control. It allows the
user to add Tables, Parameters and Channels and to enter
‘Script’ that defines how the ECU operates. The Script is a
‘C’ like programming language that allows entry of logic,
calculations and algorithms.
For most customers it is not necessary to use the Setup
software becauseMoTeC will provide flexible configurations
for many applications, and will also offer a service to
customise the operation of an ECU for the user.
If the user would prefer to perform their own ECU
customisation, they can be trained in the use of Setup.
MoTeC will also support third party developers that can
provide customisation services to end users.

It didn't say that the setup would only be accessible to a select few.

Your sure know how to put it....

What I meant by open sourse was that users could write scripts to the benefit of each other (and eventually MoTeC). But I guess this is just $$$ after all.

Anyway looks like a powerfull ECU and I'm not buying any M8xx stuff before the M1's are ready.

[John Reed]

The top level programming is available on all the boxes, and I think we can all agree this capability will not come cheap. What most users will end up getting is the mid level "capability" on one of these boxes. Meaning you can load a "package firmware" written/tested/approved/distributed free by Motec and off you go tuning just like you would any of the current series Motecs.

So you could order an M190, with "mid level" capability, load a suitable "firmare package" from Motec and off you go tuning your 24 injector Supra. If Motec doesn't have such a "package" you have two options. You wait till Motec does have the "package" done, or when you buy your box you instead purchase the top level software access (guys, this will not be cheap) and then you hire a Motec System Integrator to build the firmware of your dreams. If you hire this done, then you will want to agree who owns the work when it is finished (i.e. this SI cannot then sell your package to another customer). If a SI creates a custom package on his own, then he could sell this to any of his clients who need such a setup. Custom packages done by SI's can only be loaded into top level enabled ECUs.

I love being proved wrong sometimes, but I am guessing there is no one on here who will want or need the top level software access (simply due to the cost).

Clear as mud? :biglaugh:

[figgie]

Well I was just reading from the MoTeC website:



It didn't say that the setup would only be accessible to a select few.

Your sure know how to put it....

What I meant by open sourse was that users could write scripts to the benefit of each other (and eventually MoTeC). But I guess this is just $$$ after all.

Anyway looks like a powerfull ECU and I'm not buying any M8xx stuff before the M1's are ready.


Yep,

but as I posted above. That training is not free. ;) 2 weeks worth of classes but that might change depending on what MoTeC finds when they go gold.

I myself, if I have to pay to take classes. I am not going to give that knowledge out for free! Gives me the edge either at work or competively. As a matter of fact. Take what Bosch does currently and relable it to MoTeC. There you have it.

Which for comparison.

I know what the full package to the Bosch Motronic ECU cost. Looking at nearly $40,000 worth of licensing cost for the race team once it is all said and done (Licensing of the software, Training in using the software). This of course does not include SUPPORT for the said software which is an ADDITIONAL package.

John,

Ahh I get it. Soo all the M1 ecu have a tier system.

Basic: which is meant for that very specific Application (think PnP AEM).
Mid-Tier: which is like the Current Mx00 ECU (wait for MoTeC to update firmware or add feature if they deem it is good for everyone).
Top-Tier: which allows SI's or end users with the proper training to add said features themselves. Kind of an unlocked cell phone. A staggering Price premium usually.

INTRESTING! :D

[John Reed]

If the user would prefer to perform their own ECU
customisation, they can be trained in the use of Setup.

Regarding this statement. This is technically true. But it will neither be easy, nor cheap. It will require an estimated 2+ weeks of training, potential hardware/software investment, and then PASSING the class once you take it in such a manner Motec feels you worthy of being a System Integrator. I am guessing for the forseeable future this will be an invite only type of deal. Likely candidates: Motec dealers, race teams (wanting their own on staff SI), engine/vehicle development shops, and the like.

[John Reed]

I also pass on this information to the best of my knowledge (which can be limited at best sometimes). A lot of information is getting out, but it seems what is out there is generating more questions than answers. It is this I am trying to correct, but keep in mind the "book" on these systems is still being written and a lot is yet to be done before the finished product AND the finished program hits the streets.

[figgie]

Wish they would invite programmers like me! Maybe Microsoft can put in a good word with MoTeC for me.. hehe

[John Reed]

Ahh I get it. Soo all the M1 ecu have a tier system.

Basic: which is meant for that very specific Application (think PnP AEM).
Mid-Tier: which is like the Current Mx00 ECU (wait for MoTeC to update firmware or add feature if they deem it is good for everyone).
Top-Tier: which allows SI's or end users with the proper training to add said features themselves. Kind of an unlocked cell phone. A staggering Price premium usually.

INTRESTING! :D

You got it! The M110 may prove to be an exception, but there is almost zero info on that particular unit yet. Expect it to be the last M1 series to debut.

[IJ.]

Really expensive wheel chocks ;)

Going to be interesting when these hit the real world.

[foreverpsycotic]

I like this idea. I can't wait for them to put these on the market, as the m8xx ecus will be getting cheaper when the new technology drops.

Also, seing how we are on the topic of MoTeC tuning, is it anything like the tuning of AEM or Stinger systems, or is it completely different. I have never seen someone with a laptop hooked up to a MoTeC (that I could see the screen of), but I have seen stinger, and have tuned AEM. I am just wondering if I could tune a MoTeC unit if I picked one up, or if I need to have it brought to a certified tuner.

[jt2ma71]

If you can tune an AEM, and not have issues after, you can tune a MoTeC :)

[figgie]

I like this idea. I can't wait for them to put these on the market, as the m8xx ecus will be getting cheaper when the new technology drops.

Yeah about that...

MoTeC did not drop the price of the M4/m8 series ecu to much so don't expect a drop of say, used AEM.

Not happening price wise.

Also, seing how we are on the topic of MoTeC tuning, is it anything like the tuning of AEM or Stinger systems, or is it completely different. I have never seen someone with a laptop hooked up to a MoTeC (that I could see the screen of), but I have seen stinger, and have tuned AEM. I am just wondering if I could tune a MoTeC unit if I picked one up, or if I need to have it brought to a certified tuner.

Well it just finding out how the standalone does what.

For instance. The AEM can support a 60-2 wheel but in the software, you have to tell it, it is 24 teeth.

On the MoTeC end, you tell it, it is a 60 tooth wheel and set the software for 2 missing teeth per revolution. Add a sync signal. Full on sequential inj and ign. No "rigging" the software in attempting to make it work. Hell, you want to use the Nissan Optical 360 wheel? Supported! NATIVELY!

Of course once you start getting into the high end stuff like CANBus configuration for Datalogging and displays, DBW setup, telemetry etc. That is new territory unless you have messed with other MoTeCs or high end ECU.

[figgie]

Officially released now!

http://www.motec.com/aboutpowerdistribution/powerdistributionoverview/

the PDM15 and the PDM30.

It uses the same AMP connector that the Mx00 series ECU uses. Same software configures both but the PDM15/30 should be cheaper thanks to no autosports connectors. Power is provided by the stud instead of a Deutsch Autosport HD connector.... :)

[Kristian_Wraae]

Any news on the ECUs?

[Kristian_Wraae]

Hmm, I guess that message stating that I should wait 30 seconds before posting was an error.

It seems every click did go through.

Someone, please clean up this mess.

[figgie]

still in testing and no official date set for release.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Any news? Been holding off a purchase for almost a year now.

[IJ.]

Spoke with my MoTeC engineer about this last week and it appears they've bitten off a lot more than anyone realised and he couldn't even guess at a release date!

[figgie]

Spoke with my MoTeC engineer about this last week and it appears they've bitten off a lot more than anyone realised and he couldn't even guess at a release date!


to add they are still field testing the M1 series but the EMS are still not close to production ready as MoTeC would like them. Perhaps if they were AEM they would ship them as is ;)

With that said. Look into the AEM v2 that has just popped out.

[Kristian_Wraae]

I need DBW.

[Kristian_Wraae]

So are we still at least one year away from launch?

I can't belive that Motec can miscalculate that much.

[figgie]

So are we still at least one year away from launch?

I can't belive that Motec can miscalculate that much.

MoTeC never said anything except 2009 and that was specific for the M140. No dates beyond that for any other system. ;) so they didn't miscalculate.

Anyway, you need DBW? The current line of mx00 series from MoTeC does it. Same with pro-efi, ViPec, Pectel SQ6......

[Kristian_Wraae]

Yes I know. But the current line is getting old and if a new line is almost ready I'm waiting for that.

Besides that I have been looking into the Pectel SQ6M. It looks very nice. Not much documentation on their website though. I have asked them for a manual and stuff but I have heard nothing yet.

Nothing from Pro-EFI either.

[figgie]

Yes I know. But the current line is getting old and if a new line is almost ready I'm waiting for that.

Besides that I have been looking into the Pectel SQ6M. It looks very nice. Not much documentation on their website though. I have asked them for a manual and stuff but I have heard nothing yet.

Nothing from Pro-EFI either.

That is the problem. It is not "almost ready", it is not even remotely close to ready. Couple that with unknown price tags and you will be waiting a LONG time.
The current Mx00 series is far from old. ;)

talk to John reed on the SQ6 and pro-efi.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Well that is new to me. I understood this thread as if MoTeC would be introducing a new line of ECUs in 2009. I guess they are not. The reason for waiting was that I would like the newest technology and not buy a product that was about to be retired.

I'm talking to Pectel at the moment to see what they offer. I find it difficult to compare the different brands. It seems to me that MoTec's DBW is better supported than Pectel's.

[figgie]

The reason for waiting was that I would like the newest technology and not buy a product that was about to be retired.

I'm talking to Pectel at the moment to see what they offer. I find it difficult to compare the different brands. It seems to me that MoTec's DBW is better supported than Pectel's.

What ever gave you that idea? MoTeC is NOT and has never ever mentioned or indicated retirement of the Mx00 series. They still have not retired the M4 series for pete sakes! :)

Talk to John Reed. He just set up a DBW viper on the SQ6. It works fine.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Well they don't make the M8 any longer.

This situation seems similar to buying an M8 just before the M800 came out.

So you are saying that MoTeC will be marketing the M800 along the M1 series when the M1 series is ready?

Anyway the pdf you posted on the first post states the availablility of the new M1 series as 2009. I guess that is why I expected the M1 being available in 2009. Oh well they still have 3 months....

[figgie]

Well they don't make the M8 any longer.

This situation seems similar to buying an M8 just before the M800 came out.

So you are saying that MoTeC will be marketing the M800 along the M1 series when the M1 series is ready?

Anyway the pdf you posted on the first post states the availablility of the new M1 series as 2009. I guess that is why I expected the M1 being available in 2009. Oh well they still have 3 months....


The M8 has been discontinued for some time.

The M1 series is a different animal then the Mx00. I liken it to the high end Bosch units. Or in other words, three flavors. One, very specific to your car (and that means that, no mucking off the crank trigger pattern, no adding DBW as an after thought etc. Think of it like the AEM PnP where the 24 teeth count is there always, regardless if you put a 60-2 wheel) or fully configurable. The inbetween might be the firmware for a lot of cars with nothing fancy (ie no DBW etc). and lastly fully configurable.

. The fully open M1xx series ECU can (as an example) be programmed to control DBW, Specifically for controlling multi-DBW on the Gallardo over its native CANBus channel. Something that only the super high end Bosch units can be made to do, today.

I can guarantee that the custom "option" for each given M1X0 will not be cheap. I am curious to see how they will stray from the packaged firmware for a given EMS.

[mk e]

Hi,
I stumbled on this thread and found a lot of good info in it. I have a little more I can add I think.

I read someone asking about who needs 12 the 12 ignition, 24 injectors or the M190…..me.

I’m building a Ferrari V12 with hi/low injection, so 24 injectors. I got talking with the motec guys about it and apparently the M800s can be linked over the CANBUS so once configured they can be tuned as 1 ecu, but it sounded like kind of a pain in the butt to set up and I imagine it’s worse to troubleshoot.

Any way in talking to them they told me about the M190 coming out and said they were working with an OEM for a LeMans car. This was 3 or 4 months ago and at that time apparently there were 2 in the US for testing and software development. I tried very hard to talk them into putting me on the beta tester list figuring how many street cars out there would need all the channels and I got them talked into “I didn’t say no”….which sounded a lot like no but we’ll see.

The problem with just buying one is, as many have mentioned…..I don’t have $10,000 which got me thinking. I’m an engineer and I now a lot of car guy engineers, why can’t we just built our own ecu for a lot less money? That is what we’re doing but it turns out an ecu is very hard to build. It’s coming along though and we hope to be ready to test it on an engine in the spring. It’s got pretty much the same specs as the M190 but will cost about $1000 and the best I can tell we are using the same processor as the motec.


Mark