which oil to use?

[Boosted516]

Im not sure what oil to use, im sure there is a thread on this but i didnt find anything. I dont know much about oil except that i should use synthetic. What factors determine what weight and viscosity to use? I was thinking of using Royal Purple because ive heard good things about it and it has good reviews. All info will be appreciated.

[jdub]

Couldn't find anything?
That's funny considering there's a whole section/forum on it:
Motor Oil, Lubricants & Filtration (http://www.supramania.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108)

And, if you post this same question in my section without doing some reading 1st, I'll just delete it ;)

[Who]

Silence.......Anyone hear the pin drop? :icon_wink

[tlo86]

Silence.......Anyone hear the pin drop? :icon_wink

Couldn't find anything?
That's funny considering there's a whole section/forum on it:
Motor Oil, Lubricants & Filtration (http://www.supramania.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108)

And, if you post this same question in my section without doing some reading 1st, I'll just delete it ;)

does any more need to be said?

edit: 0w30 german castrol in everything i own ;p

[rumptis]

Canola oil with a splash of ATF.

[ZoomZoomZoom]

Couldn't find anything?
That's funny considering there's a whole section/forum on it:
Motor Oil, Lubricants & Filtration (http://www.supramania.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108)

And, if you post this same question in my section without doing some reading 1st, I'll just delete it ;)

Geez, another grumpy old man :sarcasm:

[Supra87T]

0w-30 mobile 1

[jdub]

0w-30 mobile 1

Mediocre oil at best...not even a true synthetic oil.
(someone else that needs to do a little "light reading" in the Oil Section)



Geez, another grumpy old man

Yep! Getting more grumpy by the day too ;)

:: IJ. ::

[92nsx]

I still like my Mobil 1. Shit, my Caddy says it is the only "recommended" oil to use.

[supradude88]

Amsoil!!

[jdub]

I still like my Mobil 1. Shit, my Caddy says it is the only "recommended" oil to use.


Marketing between GM and Exxon...:evildeal:

Personally if I'm going fork over the $$$ for a "synthetic oil"...I'm going to get a Grp IV or V synthetic. Not a Grp III hydrocracked oil like Mobil 1. Especially when you can get a PAO oil at the same price or less. If you're determined to use a Grp III, at least use Pennzoil Platinum...way above the quality of Mobil 1.

Amsoil is also a Grp IV PAO...excellent oil, but expensive compared to the others (for little if any gain).

[suprahero]

How many times can this question be asked?

I didn't read the thread, so I apologize if this was covered already, but I know I've seen it asked at least twenty times.

[AGlobalThreat]

If you're determined to use a Grp III, at least use Pennzoil Platinum...way above the quality of Mobil 1.

Thats funny because my girlfriend's dad believes Mobile1 Synthetic is THE BEST oil on the market today since most of Nascar uses it. A commercial for Pennzoil Platinum came on and I said "Hey that's my old oil" (I had just switched to GrpIV Eneos 5w40) and he said he would NEVER put any kind of Pennzoil in any of his cars.

jdub do you think Redline 5w30 is better than Eneos 5w30? I read in a thread that you said the Eneos 5w30 is pretty close to the German Castrol, but is the GrpV Redline better than both?

[suprahero]

I run the Redline 5w30 in both of my supras, so if it isn't any good, I don't want to know about it.

[suprabad]

Marketing between GM and Exxon...:evildeal:

Personally if I'm going fork over the $$$ for a "synthetic oil"...I'm going to get a Grp IV or V synthetic. Not a Grp III hydrocracked oil like Mobil 1. Especially when you can get a PAO oil at the same price or less. If you're determined to use a Grp III, at least use Pennzoil Platinum...way above the quality of Mobil 1.

Amsoil is also a Grp IV PAO...excellent oil, but expensive compared to the others (for little if any gain).

I saw no mention of Lucas Racing synthetics in any of the tech write-ups.

I have been using Lucas Racing synthetic oil for some time with good results, and I wondered what you (jdub) or others thought of it?

Lucas makes quite a few extraordinary claims with regard to the properties and benefits of the Racing lubricants, so far (at least from my observation) they make a damn good synthetic oil.

[Supra87T]

Marketing between GM and Exxon...:evildeal:

Personally if I'm going fork over the $$$ for a "synthetic oil"...I'm going to get a Grp IV or V synthetic. Not a Grp III hydrocracked oil like Mobil 1. Especially when you can get a PAO oil at the same price or less. If you're determined to use a Grp III, at least use Pennzoil Platinum...way above the quality of Mobil 1.

Amsoil is also a Grp IV PAO...excellent oil, but expensive compared to the others (for little if any gain).

I actually run Castrol 0w-30 in my Surpa, but that seems to be a little hard to find. I did read the oil section btw...

[suprahero]

It seems I remember him not liking them that much SB, but I could be wrong. It may have been the Lucas addidtives that you can buy that he didn't like, and it could be one too many hits of acid that I took and imagined the whole thing. I'm going to be interested in what John saids as well.

[adampecush]

Amsoil is also a Grp IV PAO...excellent oil, but expensive compared to the others

not with access to a wholesale account...

[jdub]

Global - Red Line is the best oil out there...a Grp V ester based oil. Same stuff used in jet engines. It has a stout additive pack, but what you might see if you do analysis is a slight increase in wear metals...especially copper. Ester has an affinity for copper. This will decrease over time as you change the oil. Your Dad is way wrong about both Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum ;)

SB - To be honest, I have not looked at Lucas synthetic oil...I suspect it's a PAO based oil, but I'll have to dig up some info on it. It does have a good rep with the racing crowd. Lucas oil additives, different story...snake oil of the 1st order.

Supra87 - it would be nice if you would have said that in your 1st post...can't read your mind here you know. You would have got a different response ;)
Pennzoil Platinum is an excellent choice if you having a hard time sourcing German Castrol...I assume you are using Castrol European Formula 0W-30 (says made in Germany on the back). Pennzoil was bought out by Shell...they have taken the hydrocrack process to a whole new level...there is little difference between the base stock in the Platinum product and a PAO. The additive package is superb in this oil as well.

Adam - you gonna get us all wholesale prices and free shipping for Amsoil oil?
How about some EaO filters too?
:sarcasm:

[Supra87T]

Jdub: I posted that for OP.... you can get Mobil 1 synthetic anywhere and it's decent oil. I guess running Pennzoil would be better if that is Group IV though :)

[suprahero]

Jdub: I posted that for OP.... you can get Mobil 1 synthetic anywhere and it's decent oil. I guess running Pennzoil would be better if that is Group IV though :)



jdub will not be running any Mobil 1 in his vehiculars.

[jdub]

Jdub: I posted that for OP.... you can get Mobil 1 synthetic anywhere and it's decent oil. I guess running Pennzoil would be better if that is Group IV though :)


At least tell him an oil that's worthwhile. ;)
Pennzoil Platinum is a Grp III, but they don't hide it like Exxon does.

Jay - I do use Mobil 1 synthetic ATF for power steering fluid ;)
Just flushed/changed the truck's today...added a Magnafine filter to the return as well.

[suprahero]

OOOPSS, I has done ben corecteds...........sorry for the poor grammar, but I've read soooo much of it today that it's starting to rub off on me.

(in other threads, not this one)

[92nsx]

I still like my Mobil 1.
Untell I have a engine fail because of the "oil".
Yes I just quoted my self :naughty:

[jdub]

There is nothing wrong with using Mobil 1 oil...it's overrated for what it is though. A lot of marketing hype by Exxon that fails to live up to it.

I look at oil for it's value...will it meet what I need it to do for the $$$ spent. For example, Red Line is the best IMO, but I don't use it...at least the motor oil. It's way overkill even in a turbo engine. GC is just as good performance wise and less expensive. That's why you won't see me make it my top recommendation. Amsoil is in the same boat...their marketing is more obtrusive as well. For the same reasons, Mobil 1 is close to the bottom of my list too ;)

[Poodles]

Also, I've heard rumors that Mobil 1 isn't nearly as good as it used to be.

Any reason you don't run a different ATF than Mobil 1 jdub?

[jdub]

Mobil 1 oil was (several years ago) a Grp IV PAO. Without telling anyone, they switched to a Grp III base stock...then denied it when confronted. They still will not admit it...they use terms like (from their FAQ):


Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?

Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.

A couple of key phrases: "including polyalphaolefins (PAOs)" and "a unique combination of synthetic fluids". Translation: Primarily a hydrocracked Grp III (using "synthetic technology") with PAO adds...this was confirmed by Gas Chromatography, Fourier Transform Infrared (FTIR) and EI/CI Mass Spectrometer analysis.

Basically Exxon took an excellent oil and downgraded it, all in the quest to reduce costs and increase profits. Keep in mind this is a company that recorded the highest profit for ANY corporation in US history. Didn't sit well with me...I don't like marketing double speak and I don't like being lied to.

Fram pulled the same stunt many years ago. They started using cheap components and relied on their reputation to keep sales up...they also sponsor race teams, commercials, etc as marketing to sustain it. It works...your normal Joe and even mechanics buy into it...I hate to say it, but there's one born every minute. Exxon is doing the same thing with it's Mobil 1 line.

The only thing I use Mobil 1 ATF for is in my power steering system...it's still a synthetic from what I can see. It lasts a long time, especially with a cooler and filter. It is the only concession (~$25 every 2 years...includes all my cars) I make toward Exxon's profit margin...if I can get a better alternative at a better price, that concession will go away too.

In my A340E, I use Castrol Import ATF...it is a semi-synthetic. I tried a couple synthetic ATFs and got a bit of slip in my tranny. The Castrol ATF seems to work the best so far.