.56 trim T3/T4 for my 1JZ?

[87Superdupra]

So my friend is goin to europe for a couple months and he has a Turbonetics .56 trim T3/T4. Dont remember what he said the AR is... Anyways the turbo has never been installed, but it has some minor shaft play :dunno: . My buddy said I could give him $400 any time within the next year for the Turbo and a FMIC, which is in new condition. so its basically a gift from him and I can pay him whenever. I know this turbo is kinda small for a 1JZ, but he said the turbo IS good to 450HP. Is this is a good deal? Is it worth getting everything else ( manifold, oil lines, etc.) to put this turbo on my JZ. By the way right now I have stock twins. whats your input?

[87Superdupra]

Oh yeah he said if it didn't work out on my car I didn't have to pay him.

[OneJArpus]

i'd do it and see what happens. What power levels you wanna go to? Get a manifold that can be used with the popular big turbo upgrades just in case this one doesn't work out too well power wise for you.

[87Superdupra]

okay. It seems Like I could reuse most of the stuff I would get on another turbo if this one is not what I want. How do I get rid of the shaft play? buy a rebuild kit?

[Datsrboi]

It cant be that bad

[87Superdupra]

It seems like its not bad at all...it BARELY moves. but I'm not sure how much is okay. As for power I'd like to roll around at about 400whp, than at the track boost it a lil more. My friend is all about drifting and he thinks the smaller size turbo would spool faster and be good for drifting (immediate power). Anyways it looks like there are some bigger turbos that could work with the same manifold. its a jumpstart to more power and I dont have to worry bout payin yet so I think ima do it.

[87Superdupra]

So I found a complet oil line/fitiing kit for $100 http://cgi.ebay.com/Turbo-Charger-Oli-Line-Accessories-Complete-Kit-T3-T4_W0QQitemZ230250051311QQihZ013QQcategoryZ107058QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem . if I get that, a manifold, a wastegate, and a FPR is that all I need? ( i already have IC and Piping)

[supramike7m]

damn sounds like a good deal. should have nice response and its surely gonna put out more power than the twins and handle it too.

[87Superdupra]

damn sounds like a good deal. should have nice response and its surely gonna put out more power than the twins and handle it too.

THANK YOU! I was waitin for a "good deal" response because I thought it was too. But yeah what else besides Oil lines/fittings, Turbo, FMIC + piping, wastegate, and FPR do I need. Sorry bout all the ?s I've done a JZ swap but never set up a turbo. Oh Yeah I'm assuming when I've read "crap-o-netics" they're reffering to turbonetics. I thought turbonetics was an okay brand no? I thought at the very least better than XS Power and no name chinese turbos.

[cruzinbill]

prolly gonna want an safc2 and wideband or somthin to tune it.

also um turbonetics is a great brand... they are prolly talking about the generic "turbonetics" ebay ones

[87Superdupra]

Got an SAFC II and a Walbro 255. I'm going to put 550s in before I get it tuned with the turbo. And I would really like to get some 2JZ/upgrade cams to go with the tune:evil2:.

[str8_6]

i had a 57trim (i think thats what it was) t3/t4 turbonetics, huge front mount 3" i/c pipes (too big in my opinion), safcII, aem wideband o2, stock injectors, stock mkiii fuel pump, and that was it and i made 338rwhp at 15psi. it was still running a little rich too so you'll def. need safc.

yes you are getting a good deal. i wouldnt worry too much about shaft play being you said that its barely there. i think turbonetics has issues with their rear oil seals leaking though. i know mine was leaking pretty bad and quite a few people too from my research.

the turbo spooled EXTREMELY quick though. the only thing i didnt enjoy was how the power dropped after 5500-6000rpm. after the cams i loved it!

[tlo86]

its a pretty small turbo!

[annoyingrob]

Personally, I wouldn't bother with that turbo. It's old tech, and it's meant for smaller displacement motors. It's not going to make much more power over stock twins. For the effort it's going to take to install it, I would spend a bit more money, and install a GT35R or something.

As for shaft play, a little side to side movement is normal for a journal bearing turbo, as there's no oil in the bearings. In and out play should be zero though.

[fcEric]

i agree with annoyingrob, your most likely going to want more power from your car. i would go with a bigger turbo..

[str8_6]

agreed with the rest. once you feel 350ish rwhp its nothing. get something bigger with maybe just a smaller turbine a/r if you're afraid of lag.

i personally think lag is fun.

[87Superdupra]

hmmm. I'm debating... it's just the twins feel so Damn Slow! I like the deal because I don't have to worry about paying my buddy for a year! And my buddy wouldn't even care how much money I gave him at a time, this turbo was just laying dormant. and this could get me started on a faster sup. Str8 6 said that he did like it after cams, and he didn't even have a walbro or 550s. BIG QUESTION: Can I use the T3/T4 manifold/oil lines etc. for another bigger, more HP turbo down the road if I need more power? Basically will I have to sell this shit I buy If I want a bigger turbo or can I reuse it? as long as I could just swap turbos to a bigger one down the road I think Ima do it. $400 bucks for a new turbo/IC is tempting.

[annoyingrob]

it would be a T3 manifold, so you would be limited to a GT35 as about the biggest, but that's still 500whp.

oil lines should be transferable though.

Why not take the $400, and buy some cams?

[supramike7m]

wish i could get some $400 cams.

[foreverpsycotic]

it would be a T3 manifold, so you would be limited to a GT35 as about the biggest, but that's still 500whp.


All of the holset turbos use a t3 flange, and they get A LOT bigger than a GT35.

Holset hx35 =~GT35
Holset hx35/40 =~GT37
Holset hx40 =~GT40

MDC ran 550whp through a hx35 on a 7m, a 1jz has the capability of doing the same or better.

The great things about holset turbos, they are inexpensive. I payed $40 for my turbo, and they show up on ebay routinely for under $400.

[87Superdupra]

okay then I'm gonna do it. I'm never gonna need more than 500HP anyway. and I'll probably be happy with 350WHP that spools quickly. thanks

[annoyingrob]

wish i could get some $400 cams.

you can get $500 cams, which is close enough :)

[Evilempire1.3JZ-GTE]

I was getting ~300WHP with my twins why go single just to get 50HP.
I would go with a GT35R +
You can daily with the 150+ more hp.
If your going to spend 400 for only a 50HP gain why?
Before I would comit to buy this are these turbos prone to surge on our engines?
Thats what drove me to get a GT35R also.

[OneJArpus]

All of the holset turbos use a t3 flange, and they get A LOT bigger than a GT35.

Holset hx35 =~GT35
Holset hx35/40 =~GT37
Holset hx40 =~GT40

MDC ran 550whp through a hx35 on a 7m, a 1jz has the capability of doing the same or better.

The great things about holset turbos, they are inexpensive. I payed $40 for my turbo, and they show up on ebay routinely for under $400.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holset-HX35-40W-Hybrid-for-Dodge-Cummins-upgrade_W0QQitemZ110251289249QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110251289249&

600 for this 1 n it looks like its in great shape. Wish i could pick it up

[87Superdupra]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holset-HX35-40W-Hybrid-for-Dodge-Cummins-upgrade_W0QQitemZ110251289249QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110251289249&

600 for this 1 n it looks like its in great shape. Wish i could pick it up

wait a minute. I just looked at that ebay page and it says that holset turbo can support UP TO 350 WHP. so whats the difference? And my stock twins right now are probably about 260-270 WHP so it would be more like 100 WHP gain and it would respond quickly. I don't know how Evil Empire got 300WHP out of his twins because stock is 280 at the crank and people who have dynoed their stock 1JZs have reported about 265WHP. str8 6 said that he had same turbo as me and he made 338 WHP @ 15 psi on a 1JZ w stock fuel pump and injectors. I have a walbro 255 and 550s plus everything else he had AND I'm gonna try to run it closer to 20psi. So... I think I would be closer to 375-400 WHP. And everyone keeps missing the underlying fact. I could pay this guy $20/month starting a year from now and he would have no problem with that. Plus... once I have the T4 mani and errything else I could always sell this turbo to pay for a bigger one. I dont remember who said that 350 was the most I could get but it seems like an underestimation. No?

[foreverpsycotic]

350whp on a diesel, it is different on a gas motor. apxhero ran this turbo on his cressida with a 1jz swap and was at 300whp at 12psi, no where near where this turbo is happy. It also spools quick so full boost by 4k is almost a garuntee. I am shooting for ~400whp at 18 or so PSI.

[tturnpaw]

holsets motto should be "If you dont like spending money on your car, buy this!" you can interpret than any way you want it works out. I say get the turbo see how you like it, and at the very least its a learning experience. Im satisfied with 10lbs on my twins, not everyone wants a shit ton more power.

[Evilempire1.3JZ-GTE]

I don't know how Evil Empire got 300WHP out of his twins because stock is 280 at the crank and people who have dynoed their stock 1JZs have reported about 265WHP.

If you dont how to safely get more HP out of stock twins :dunno:

You should be able to to get 13-14psi on stock twins Y pipe delete cat 3" exhaust FMIC JDM tuned ECU upgrade under drive pully kit etc ... its easily possible to get 300+ WHP out of the 1JZ.

Just keep your EGT down and you good to go.

[annoyingrob]

It's not that hard. I have a dyno somewhere of it doing 315whp at stock boost.

[supramike7m]

you can get $500 cams, which is close enough :)

hmmm, what brand?

[87Superdupra]

over 300WHP on the twins is impressive but that is spending about $400-$500 though. I could probly get this turbo on my car for $800-900 and then I have more HP and I'm set up for even more if I rock a bigger turbo. Hey off the topic but my post has been on NA section all day w no responses...but I just bought a 87 NA DD and fogs dont work and blinkers dont work, fuses are fine. But the instrument lights flicker when I move the highbeams/blinker toggle around. I've been lookin for a short all day and still haven't found one. anybody ever have this happen?

[annoyingrob]

hmmm, what brand?

Crower. I believe they're selling them in the group buy section right now.

I bought them several years back from an old GB.