Piggyback

[1JZ30]

Hello all, I wanna ask advice about piggy bag. I have an AFC NEO , got it second hand cheap from my friends and i was wondering if its good for tuning heavy modds (bigger turbo, injectors, etc etc) instead of using full management system.

[buckshotglass]

Full standalone is better than piggy bag.

[tlo86]

yeah those are only good so far... if you cant afford a standalone there are some better piggybacks like the map ecu

[Quin]

MSII is cheaper than a full MAFTPro setup

[suprahero]

Stinger > piggy bag

[Bigzavs]

standalone > piggyback > piggy bag


dont know how good a bag full of pigs will tune a heavily modded car


:biglaugh:

[suprahero]

:sarcasm:

[white1jz90]

will it handle 2jz 550s and a ct2657 ?

[Shytheed Dumas]

lol, it's all in fun. :D

I like the SAFC. Simple, priced right, proven over and over.

[jblaze]

I think the S-AFCII will be good for you. The E-manage is also great. Check out: http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/. This will help you to decide concerning the e-manage (blue preferrably). Then try this one for the MAPECU: http://mapecu.com/ Hope this helps.

[88supraTT]

if you get really crazy and don't have alot of money you could try to track down a vpc gcc setup with the correct injector chip. but i do agree standalone ftw.

[suprastanger507mgte]

c'mon guys .. i just want to know more about tuning .. im not here to get sarcasm because of my bad english . if you don't wanna help, then f**k off

lol, no need to get mad. I think people gave the answers in between the sarcasm and Jokes. :biglaugh:

I think a SAFC-II can be used for your needs. I would prefer greddy emanage blue though .

[Mr.PFloyd]

Maft Pro is good. Whoever suggested MSII, good luck with that haha.

[suprahero]

c'mon guys .. i just want to know more about tuning .. im not here to get sarcasm because of my bad english . if you don't wanna help, then f**k off

Glad to see you can take a joke.............:rolleyes:

[upgradedsupra]

This is a new member people and yes joking is cool but you guys all know he just wants some answers so come on, help me out some. :) I cleaned this thread up some.

If you can afford it, go stand alone as it will benefit you in the long run. Piggy backs are also fine but only to a certain amount of power IMO.

Duane

[rakkasan]

Piggybacks only adjust AFR's, not timing. Piggybacks scale the air flow signal to the ECU, and the ECU adds more or less fuel accordingly. For mild builds, this is fine because you're not leaning out the AFR too much for stock timing. However, for bigger power builds, a piggyback would have to scale the fuel a lot more, but the stock timing is still being run by the stock ECU. This could be disasterous.

Choose your path

[IJ.]

All depends on goals and your budget.

A good standalone will run everything in the car and allow room for expansion
a http://www.leroye.com/blog/images/girlie/piggybag.jpg won't ;)

[upgradedsupra]

All depends on goals and your budget.

A good standalone will run everything in the car and allow room for expansion
a http://www.leroye.com/blog/images/girlie/piggybag.jpg won't ;)

It was only a matter of time for you to chime in. LOL

[cbutler]

people have made significant power with the SAFC, you just need to know what your doing. For most peoples goals they work great.

[1JZ30]

Piggybacks only adjust AFR's, not timing. Piggybacks scale the air flow signal to the ECU, and the ECU adds more or less fuel accordingly. For mild builds, this is fine because you're not leaning out the AFR too much for stock timing. However, for bigger power builds, a piggyback would have to scale the fuel a lot more, but the stock timing is still being run by the stock ECU. This could be disasterous.

Choose your path

ohh! thanksss!!!! i understand nowww :D

[1JZ30]

One more question. What if i use a http://www.leroye.com/blog/images/girlie/piggybag.jpg with an After market ECU like Blitz Access, Mine's or etc which have already raised rev limiter to 8000rpm, eliminated boost and speed cut, optimized timing/fuel maps for higher boost. is it another way of tuning more power ?

[Andre]

ohh! thanksss!!!! i understand nowww :D


With the greddy emanage blue you can also adjust the timimg

I am running an MINES ecu and the greddy emanage blue with ignition and injector harness and it work great

the mines ecu has already more agressive timing maps just like the blitz acces ecu

[IJ.]

One more question. What if i use a http://www.leroye.com/blog/images/girlie/piggybag.jpg with an After market ECU like Blitz Access, Mine's or etc which have already raised rev limiter to 8000rpm, eliminated boost and speed cut, optimized timing/fuel maps for higher boost. is it another way of tuning more power ?

This is one of the dilemas of using Alphabet Controllers.

They often fight each other for control, there are combinations that can coexist but you need to find someone that's actually used xx with yy and has verifiable results NOT someone that knows someone that has a neighbour's cousin's uncle's buddy that's done it.

Often by the time you play around with Alphabet controllers you'd have been better to have bought one of the more affordable standalones.

I went NA>Standalone right at the start and don't regret it for a second.

[jblaze]

The E-manage Blue (EMB) is the next step up from the S-AFC and just below a full standalone. You can control timing with the EMB or if you contact Winnepegman on Supraforums he can set you up with the E-manage Ultimate (EMU). Few know how to get it going, but he seems to have gotten it figured out. Also you can go onto Supraforums and do a search in the MKIII/1JZ section on aftermarket ECUs (Blitz/MINES) you will see that many of the members there have done this and most are loving it. As a matter of fact this is what I am doing with my car. I have yet to tune it yet, though.

[1JZ30]

i'll go for stand alone maybe power fc or haltech .. thanks for the info guys :D

[KU_engineering]

Well, if you will go for a stand alone, I would say Hks fcon v pro 2.1 or 3.1 are also a good choice. with its price (used one), I believe it is one of the best choice for your JZ. :icon_bigg

[slidingsidewayz]

can the emanage blue eliminate fuel cut/ boost cut?

[Dylan JZ]

Coming from boosting VQ motors back in the nissan days all we trusted was the EMS, stinger and Emanage Ultimate.

Greddy EU really was the favorite of the forums though and those few that have them wired correctly for the JZ series say that little rival the system.



I run an Apexi Neo AFC and honestly I'd say with my little bit of knowledge I've seen ppl run up to about 450-500hp on the 1jz and then most go stand alone for safety and for more power, etc etc.

in short you'll be fine with a regular budget AFC so long as youre careful. Just know nothing equals a full stand alone even at BPU power levels, they truly are amazing.

[Boosted Supra]

I understand that piggy bags aren't the best things to tune with as it's the daughter board to a mother board. I want to know what are good piggy bags?

What about piggy bags with timing control like the MAPECU2 or the Emanage Blue? Which one's were installed and running successfully and what it the max power for these piggy bags?

Standalone's are the best I know, but which one's are worth it but affordable at the same time? I spend way, way too much money on my stinkin car :naughty:, so buying an AEM EMS or some other crap in that price range is out of the question.

Why not rate standalone EMS's according to price and ease of tuning.

Stinger?
Haltech?
MSII?
blah, blah......

Need opinions here, thanks guys/gals.

[Dylan JZ]

Top three for the money and funtionality are AEM EMS, Stinger and Greddy eManage Ultimate... simple.

Bang for the buck is the EU, its cheaper though the problem is, its still quite new to most and alot of tuners have yet to use it..

[tlo86]

ive seen 700-800 hp on a 2jz using map ecu 2

[Boosted Supra]

Top three for the money and funtionality are AEM EMS, Stinger and Greddy eManage Ultimate... simple.

Bang for the buck is the EU, its cheaper though the problem is, its still quite new to most and alot of tuners have yet to use it..

Are there any write-ups for the Stinger? Anyone have it installed into a 7M? Thanks

[tlo86]

Are there any write-ups for the Stinger? Anyone have it installed into a 7M? Thanks

aaron did hehe

[mrsuprafreak]

Top three for the money and funtionality are AEM EMS, Stinger and Greddy eManage Ultimate... simple.

Bang for the buck is the EU, its cheaper though the problem is, its still quite new to most and alot of tuners have yet to use it..

I have to agree on the EU! I couldn't be happier.