the new supra

[SrT4_OwNeR]

alrighty guys... so im sitting here in iraq... and i bought an ls1 with t56 tranny about 2 months ago... come to find out when i went on leave that my buddy is in a supra club and alot of his buddies have the ls1 except most of them are autos. so i did some thinking and some research and i decided to sell my ls11 and t56 so i sold that and got a pretty good amount of money from a guy that owned a salvaged corvette... and about a week ago while i was up in baghdad i went to the PX up there and was lookin at magazines... well i came across a DuPont Registry magazine and sure enough on the cover it had a Dodge Viper SRT-10. so when i got back to tallil i did some lookin around and found a gen RT/10 complete swapp with the 6 speed tranny that i bought for 6,500... it only had 14,000 miles (supposedly) and shipping was a bitch cause it's a complete front clip. so i've decided an 10 Cyl. supra would be good enough for me... so when i get home im gonna get the project together and hopefully complete it before i ETS from the army. so elts hear what you guys think... i know it's off the wall but i like different... i like things that no one has seen... so let me know what you think

thanx guys,
Justin

[The Reaper]

i personally think it will be badass to see.

Keep us updated with lots of pics and info

[supraracer49]

Sounds awesome! post lots of pics and keep us updated

[tlo86]

what a waste of money, its not going to fit among other things.

if im wrong though id love to see im wrong otherwise i think this is a joke.

[BlackMKIII]

That would be badass.

The way I see it, if Top Secret can build a V-12 turbo MKIV, I don't see why a V-10 wouldn't work. But I don't know anything. :dunno: :D

[tlo86]

army salary what do i know?? $$$$$$$$ unless he has a lot of generous friends in the car 'biz'

[SrT4_OwNeR]

well tlo86... last i checked the word was custom fabrication? but thanx for your input... and yea... i've got some buddies in the "car biz" one being my dad but i don't need their "skills". i've been working on cars since i was 14 years old when my sister got her first car... and i've been to plenty of classes and have built plenty of cars with my dad to know what im doing... and yes the army pays me well... being an E-5 and married i make plenty of money... it's just sad to see that some people (cough cough) arent cut out for the job. sorry dude... but i appreciate your opinion... and when i get back from iraq... i'll send you pics of the first 10 cyl. supra.

everyone else... i appreciate the support and i'll let you guys know how it goes... i'll even do a how to just in case you guys want to do your own thing... you can read how i did it and start from there!!!

thanx alot guys
Justin

[tlo86]

then i stand corrected i think! usually people that post are a much lower ranking than e-5 my bad for assuming ( i guess e-5 get paid a lot more now?). keep me updated, progress etc. dont ever take my opinion to heart just providing an alternative point of view...

in my personal opinion i think you can achieve much more performance wise and that this is just a 'for show or 'see it can be done!' project... again thats just how i see it. and a footnote i never have had much respect on cars that use engines from different companies (thats my bias) $ to power ratio you could have a faster supra, assuming thats your goal with wanting a v-10 in a supra...

sure top secret did the v-12 but was it fast? did it have a lot of power? no and not really. it was a toyota v12 used for limos and cars they make for presidents not for a high powered sports car. and it was also super heavy... and looked like shit.

[drewgo]

well tlo86... last i checked the word was custom fabrication? but thanx for your input... and yea... i've got some buddies in the "car biz" one being my dad but i don't need their "skills". i've been working on cars since i was 14 years old when my sister got her first car... and i've been to plenty of classes and have built plenty of cars with my dad to know what im doing... and yes the army pays me well... being an E-5 and married i make plenty of money... it's just sad to see that some people (cough cough) arent cut out for the job. sorry dude... but i appreciate your opinion... and when i get back from iraq... i'll send you pics of the first 10 cyl. supra.

everyone else... i appreciate the support and i'll let you guys know how it goes... i'll even do a how to just in case you guys want to do your own thing... you can read how i did it and start from there!!!

thanx alot guys
Justin

I personally wont do it for a few reasons, 1- cost of swap and all the fabrication involve 2-The power is easily attainable by a 1j or 2j.

But I don't oppose it.... It has a high "WTF" factor! The rarity of the swap is unheard of. So you got my vote. Shoot I'll drive anywhere just to see it in person.:bigthumb:

[tlo86]

I personally wont do it for a few reasons, 1- cost of swap and all the fabrication involve 2-The power is easily attainable by a 1j or 2j.

But I don't oppose it.... It has a high "WTF" factor! The rarity of the swap is unheard of. So you got my vote. Shoot I'll drive anywhere just to see it in person.:bigthumb:

same view here pretty much. except ive never liked the rarity factors heh i kind of want to know *why* you want to do a v-10? just because it hasnt been done before? is it for power reasons?

[viperkillertt]

Good luck!

[SrT4_OwNeR]

it's for both... yea you can get the same power out of a 1j or 2j but alot of people have 1j's and/or 2j's... how many people have v10's? no one that i know of... my point is... anything is possible... i mean look at the mid-rear engine civic hatch with the LS1... that was unheard of untill someone actually did it... but i just LOVE doing things that have never been done... i like to prove people wrong... of course there's gonna be alot of bloody knuckles involved and the fabricating is gonna be hard and trial and error is gonna play a big factor as far as fabrication that can hold such a heavy engine... but i just LOVE to do it... it makes me feel a whole lot better about my builds knowing that more than half the car i built... know what im sayin... im very excited to get this show on the road... i've only got a little over 5 months left here and when i get home i will begin the build... and when the front clip gets to my house i will have my wife take some pics of it and i will post them up... but i appreciate all the interest in this project... and hopefully this project will be easier than i think it will be... i'll keep you guys posted!!!

[Shadow]

Well have fun. It will be an interesting project. Where will you be doing this swap? (state) Also, maybee I missed it, but what gen Supra did you plan to use? MkIII? Money shouldn't be an issue here. I'm guessing you're doing a 1 year over there. E-5 + BAH + BAS x 1 year = Bank Roll. $$$

[gilberjj]

good luck..... but why. haha, have fun

[SrT4_OwNeR]

im gonna be doing most of the swapp in NC... and it's actually 15 months due to the surge of troops last january... so the extra 3 months im here... i get an extr 1000 bucks a month so thats an extra 3000 for 3 months... so i'll be good when i get home... and yea it's goin into a mkIII so it'll be fun.

[The Reaper]

sounds awesome

[viperkillertt]

One question, i haven't seen it covered yet, but which body. I am assuming that because it is in the MKIII section, it probably will be a mkIII, but i just wanted to know for sure.

[macjac69]

Sounds like a project to be done only by a real trooper! By the way I see the build will be in NC are you with the 82nd? I'm at Hood 4ID! Just got my 1JZ back but with issues.

Good luck over in the sandbox!

[Shadow]

One question, i haven't seen it covered yet, but which body. I am assuming that because it is in the MKIII section, it probably will be a mkIII, but i just wanted to know for sure.

Look two threads up from where you posted.:stickpoke

[Shadow]

im gonna be doing most of the swapp in NC... and it's actually 15 months due to the surge of troops last january... so the extra 3 months im here... i get an extr 1000 bucks a month so thats an extra 3000 for 3 months... so i'll be good when i get home... and yea it's goin into a mkIII so it'll be fun.

I'm glad it's going into an MKIII. Not because I hate the MKIV but because I think it would be way too cool in an MKIV and I would have to come all of the way across the country to steel it. Plus I think the MKIII will be more of a surprise. :burnout:

[st2b]

Sounds good man. The amount of work, time, and money is going to shock and awe you.


But seriously? Why a V10? So you can tell everyone you have a V10?

I barely understand why people put 1UZ-FE's in their Supra. The 1j and 2j will be 4X Less than what it will be to do the V10 Swap.

So what's the benefit?

1. You proved somebody wrong?

and

2. You can say you have the only MkIII V10 Supra?


Sorry, I would take the money and spend it on 1j or 2j, they will put a bigger smile on my face over the V10 ANYDAY!

[Shadow]

I think he's looking for unique. If it were me, I would also spend the money on a 1J or 2J. However I'm still interested in the outcome. Not your money right? I just want to see it done.

[SrT4_OwNeR]

why don't you ask top secret why they did the v-12? yea... i wouldn't mind a 1j or 2j like i said... but just the thought of a 10cyl supra... i mean... everyone has the 1j or 2j right? so whats so "custom" about that? a straight 10cyl supra is as custom as you can get... yea it's gonna be expensive and painstaking but im ready for it... im the kind of guy that loves to do things on his own... ever since i helped my dad build his kit car i've wanted to build my own car... fortunately im not gonna go into too much detail as far as throwing a viper body on the supra chassis but i just think a 10 cyl supra will open alot of people's eyes to the fact that anything is possible with the skill and hard work time and money... and it's like shadow said... im looking for unique... if you had 3 supras in a car show one with a 1j one with a 2j and one with a v-10 which do you think would win out of the 3? i honestly think the one with the v-10 would win because you see supras everyday with 1j's and 2j's but the judges would say the 10 cyl supra is more unique and takes the gold... and i chose the mkIII chassis because top secret did a v12 on a mkIV and everyone loved it... so now that the mkIV had it's reign it's time for the mkIII to have a chance... and if i could afford a lamborghini to buy and just tear apart i'd try a v-12 and honestly i don't think it would work... so im gonna go with the v-10... a v-8 is more realistic so the v-8 is out of the question... so i settled with a v-10.

[RacerXJ220]

Tax free monies!!!

The value of the V-10 front clip will be pretty fair if it doesn't work out anyway, so you're good there if you have to sell it for whatever reason.

I think your biggest problem will be the oil pan, IF the rest of the motor fits in the bay. Custom pickup, all that jazz.

Let us know anywho, it'd be cool to see a dry sump on it ;)

[foreverpsycotic]

I barely understand why people put 1UZ-FE's in their Supra. The 1j and 2j will be 4X Less than what it will be to do the V10 Swap.

So what's the benefit?


The more displacement, the more potential power on pump gas. Some people build their cars for 93, others for 116.

[SrT4_OwNeR]

well my wife informed me about 10 minutes ago that the clip is on it's way... so give it a couple of days and i will have pics posted up

[Shadow]

I'm excited to see the clip. I want to see this beast you plan to instal.

[SupraMario]

Enough talk. Let the guy get home and get started on this I wouldn't mind seeing something new around here :P

[tlo86]

do you plan on turbocharging the v10?

im curious the weight of the engine and which one you have? the 8.0 or bigger one you didnt give a year i think... and wondering how physically big the transmission is but if you think you can get the v10 to fit you can get the transmission to fit no problem heh. might as well beef up the rear end as well and curious as to what differential you are going to use hehe

[supramike7m]

sounds alright, i dont think it will fit though. that is a huge engine. yeah top secret did a v12 but it was a 5.0L, this is a 8.0L v10. thats a huge diffence. dont think its gonna fit. but good luck with it.

[silvergsx623]

WOW!

Good Luck on the project. I can't wait to see updates and pictures.

Anything is possible with enough money.

[SrT4_OwNeR]

the engine is an 8.0L out of a 1g viper... i was thinkin about turbocharging it... but that's a whole different paycheck. lol... i've looked up kits for the vipers and they are expensive as hell... but one of these days i will... and also getting a twin turbo kit to fit under the hood of a 89 supra with a 8.0L would be a whole different kind of mod. lol... but one of these days. i appreciate everyone's interest in this project and i just now thought of it when racerxj220 said something about it but the oilpan will be another story... depending on how much the car drops... i most likely will need to mod an oil pan to put on this thing. thanx or the input guys.

[GT400]

Sounds pretty cool to me! if you need any help wrenching, let me know.

[sean210]

HOLY SHIT cant wait to see it!
keep us posted.
And let ME be the first one to say

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING FOR OUR COUNTRY!!!

[Quin]

Didn't someone already put a T56 in a MkIII? It should fit

[Jacob]

sounds alright, i dont think it will fit though. that is a huge engine. yeah top secret did a v12 but it was a 5.0L, this is a 8.0L v10. thats a huge diffence. dont think its gonna fit. but good luck with it.

Actually, it will probably have less "clearance" issues than the V12. . . the V12 is DOHC i.e. wide . . . push rod motors are awesome by way of overall size. Why do you think Chevy went from pushrod to DOHC back to push rod? Weight/Size and of course the capacity for old skool tuners to buy crate motors and be able to swap it in and after market support. WOW!!! rambling here.

Anyway, only PITA I'd already be thinking about is stupid things like where's the starter motor gonna interfer .. . exhaust routing around the steering . . . wiring . . . etc.

BTW your idea is awesome. I doubt it gonna add much weight too . . . may be the tranny (blinkin huge). I'd leave force induction for the birds. I'd like to see it stroked. Do they do that? Freakin 10 litre supra FTW!! 3k redline ROFL!!! I think it would be cooler in a MK4 but MK4 would tax you budget stupid like.

Okay I am done. FTW YO!!! ;)

[DonS1mpson]

But seriously? Why a V10?

Why a 1/2JZ?

[Mr.PFloyd]

Why a 1/2JZ?
Stop trying to be a devils advocate, this argument is plain stupid. Supras came equipped with 1jz's.

[SrT4_OwNeR]

lol... hey sean210 thanx brother for the support... the clip hasn't arrived yet... i e-mailed the guy and he said it usually takes about a week and that seemed kinda weird but oh well... i guess i'll wait a couple more days. jacob had some pretty good points as well but imo i still might have clearance issues with the radiator and what not... it's not gonna be an easy drop in but i just can't wait to get my hands dirty. thanx jacob or your imput and your right... it would be a good idea to start thinkin about it... instead of sitting around here waiting for action... lol

[sean210]

No problem,
Can't wait to see pics.

[bmoss85]

well i hope it works out for you. if it doesnt shoot me a pm and i might be interested in that clip.

[foreverpsycotic]

Stop trying to be a devils advocate, this argument is plain stupid. Supras came equipped with 1jz's.

So you are saying that people shouldnt use any motor that wasn't origionally offered in the a70 by toyota?

To the OP, please do a well doccumented swap, and IIRC the t56 is going to be a bitch to fit, its a lot bigger than a v160 and a th400.