Want to know if your wheels fit over the Wilwood brakes?

[arz]

Ever since I have offered these brakes people have asked will these fit under wheel "X"?

It was a very complicated question to answer over the phone. I needed to make sure they understood what "Caliper Overhang" was. Then I needed to make sure they understood what "Radial Clearance" was. Then I needed to make sure they knew how to measure to the center accurately. Each person has a different idea how centered a portrait is when hanging in their living room. I have witnessed this same subjectivity while trying to estimate the "CENTER" of something being measured, especially when it was round.

Until now I never had a good way to tell them if they would 100% fit.

I have created a few templates that clear the 4 piston 13 in front and 6 piston 13 in front kits, and now the 14.25 in 6 piston kit. I will follow up with the rear kits shortly.

You download the full resolution photo. Then scale the print until it is one to one scale, easiest way to do this is to measure the 10 inch distance. That makes it easy to factor in how much bigger to make it. Once you get it correct you trim it out and fit it inside your wheel.

1. Download this 6 piston template (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/Brake_template_6_piston_13_inch.jpg) for the 6 piston calipers on 13 inch rotors so you can print it full scale/resolution.

OR
Download this 4 piston template (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_13_inch/4_Piston_13in_Brake_template.jpg) for the 4 piston 13 inch brakes

OR
Download this 14.25 inch 6 piston template (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6pot_14_in/Web_photos/14.25_Brake_template_resize.jpg)



I did my best to get it to get the size to be as close to 100% as possible. You might have the best luck resizing it on your photo software or changing your print boundaries to be as big as possible. There are plenty of horizontal and vertical dimensions, make sure the scale is accurate in both dimensions, if all else fails you can always redraw the entire sketch, since all of the dimensions are there.

2. Check the scale against a known tape measure, dial/digital calipers, engineers scale. Keep messing with the scale on the printer until its as accurate as possible.

Like this below.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2458_resize.JPG

Print 2 of them once you get it right, just in case you mess it up while triming.

Here is what the 4 piston image looks like
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_13_inch/4_Piston_13in_Brake_template_resize.jpg

glue the correct scale drawing to some card board. Preferably thin like the backing of a note pad or double the thickness of cereal box cardboard.

Measure the inside of your wheel to make sure if your center hole is bigger than 60mm. If it is make sure you match and center it. Mine was 67mm take a look

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2448_resize.JPG

I split the difference about the centerline, see below.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2449_resize.JPG

I took this piece of cardboard and left a bent edge to give the cardboard some rigidity after it was trimmed.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2445_resize.JPG

I traced the shape and cut it out, I left a few millimeters around the edge just to make sure. If it cleared the cut out by a few millimeters it would clear the brakes too. I also cut out the inverse shape to install on the car to make sure it cleared the caliper in real life, see the video below.

Watch the video here (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2444.AVI)

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2450_resize.JPG

Next I fit it in the wheel to see how close it was.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2451_resize.JPG

Yeah!!! Plenty of room, as a general rule I recommend at least 3mm clearance, but I do have some local customers that have less than 2mm and have never had an issue.

As another side note, I have disassembled at least a dozen front hubs, all had perfect looking grease and didn't need any service. If you don't need new bearings, don't mess with them, they last quite a while. I have had more than one customer call me after their fresh brake install, that rubbed, and it was always due to the newly installed wheel bearings not being properly tightened.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2452_resize.JPG

[Sawbladz]

I am having trouble reading the template you put up for download. If you could take another picture like the one above without the ruler it would probably make in unnecessary for people to download it. They could just make it from the dimensions off that piece of paper.

[arz]

You wont be able to read it on your computer, but it prints out perfect. Save it and print it to see what I mean.

[Wiisass]

Nice, it's really good to see something like this.

Just a tip, I've had much better luck, when sending out and printing stuff like the template, using Adobe Acrobat. You can usually print drawings from any CAD software to PDF and then the setting to get it to print at 100% are much simpler than messing with JPG stuff. For me, it's always been a lot more foolproof and a lot simpler. I haven't tried messing with the JPG file or printing it, so I'm not saying it doesn't work, just an idea for next time.

Tim

[arz]

Yea I dont have a PDF writer in the export, for this software. You need an extra utility and a full suite of Acrobat its just about impossible.

Sorry its the best I can do right now.

[Wiisass]

No problem, I'm sure it will work fine. It was just a suggestion from my experience that worked a lot better for me.

Tim

[Turbo Skegget]

Downloaded, printed, cut-out. No problems and it gave me the answers I needed.

[Grimsta]

I see you have 5zigens just like mine. Whats your front offest?

[arz]

The bronze ones are 17 x 9 x 43mm offset front and rear, the black and polished are 17 x 8 x 25mm front (I think!?!? the front offset is questionable) and 17 x 9 x 35mm rear.

If you look close in this photo you can see here.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2451_resize.JPG

[Grimsta]

Oh sh!t 43mm offset! I got a 38. How close is it to your spokes

[arz]

I dont know, thats the whole reason for this template, print it out and see. You should have more clearance, with a 38mm the wheels move outboard. I had the 35's on the rear before and they were fine.

[mr-edo]

I dont know, thats the whole reason for this template, print it out and see. You should have more clearance, with a 38mm the wheels move outboard. I had the 35's on the rear before and they were fine.

Template works great - only I need to know about 4 piston - the 6 piston one hits.

How much smaller is the 4 piston?

[arz]

Template works great - only I need to know about 4 piston - the 6 piston one hits.

How much smaller is the 4 piston?Glad to hear it worked for you.

I will get on that tonight, I made the template I just haven't converted it to an electronic medium.

Any chance you could post a photo of where the template hits?

[mr-edo]

Glad to hear it worked for you.

I will get on that tonight, I made the template I just haven't converted it to an electronic medium.

Any chance you could post a photo of where the template hits?

I can try, but it hits alot - seems like the radius of the inside of the wheel is a good 10mm too small on both the MKIV 16" and the Sawblade 16".

I am waiting for group A Supra to trial fit a wheel and spacer for me on the 4 pots he has. He doesn't seem to have got round to it yet.

[reklund5]

Add me to the list that needs a template for the 4 piston kit. I tried the 6 piston kit, but there is interference at the far end of the template (towards the tire, not the hub) on the spokes of my Konig Villain wheels (17x8, 40mm offset in the front)

I have funds and am ready to pull the trigger, but need to make sure they'll fit. I was really hoping that the 6 piston kit would fit, but will settle for 4 pistons if they'll clear. I figure thats 3 more on each wheel than I have now anyway...

Ryan

[arz]

Add me to the list that needs a template for the 4 piston kit. I tried the 6 piston kit, but there is interference at the far end of the template (towards the tire, not the hub) on the spokes of my Konig Villain wheels (17x8, 40mm offset in the front)

Sorry this took so long it I had the dimensions, I just needed to do it electronically.

Take a look at the first post or use the same instructions from the first post and download this 4 piston template (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_13_inch/4_Piston_13in_Brake_template.jpg) for the 4 piston 13 inch brakes

Hope your wheels fit, I have never seen any other brake manufacturer create a simple template for you, to MAKE SURE your brakes fit. I want to be as helpful as possible when it comes to brakes.

Good luck

[arz]

Added the 6 piston 14.25 template to the first post, here it is again for good measure.

Make sure you click on the little magnifying glass so you can see it full resolution.

14.25" Front 6 Piston Brake Template (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6pot_14_in/Web_photos/14.25_Brake_template_resize.jpg)

[Grimsta]

Just incase anyone needed to know, the 13" kit clears my wheels... and then some w/ a 38 offset. 18"

[arz]

Ace,
Got a close-up photo of them installed?

[arz]

Bump! someone told me these were locked up because they havent been posted in, in a while.

Hopefully this does the trick.

[Grimsta]

Ace,
Got a close-up photo of them installed?
This is one of my favorites
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/95/l_4605398cb0f110ca409454a994db34a9.jpg

[arz]

That looks great, what size wheel and tires? Please include the offset if you recall. I always get calls about what wheels and sizes will fit with my brakes, so its nice to know all the different sizes.

[Grimsta]

5Zigen FN01R-C 18x8.5 38 offset

[atlpd3147]

grimsta how about the rears? what size and offset?

[arz]

The stock wheels fit over the rear kits, even the 12.9 with parking brake. They have about .5 inch more clearance than the fronts. But since they are smaller in diameter that seems to matter more when it comes to the number of wheels that fit with no problems.

[atlpd3147]

i see that enkei rp03 come in 18x10 with an offset of 22. i wonder if they would stick out too much on the rear of the mkiii? theres a 18x9.5 with an offset of 38 which im sure would fit just fine.

[atlpd3147]

well the enkei rp03 fit fine. 18x8.5 with a 35 offset

[atlpd3147]

this is a few shots. to be honest i like my adr m-sports better but with these open spokes i can easily clean the whole wheel without taking the wheel off the car. what you guys think adr or the rp03

[arz]

Wow those look great, but Im partial to 5 spokes. I forgot to include earlier, that its not the offset that determines caliper clearance, its the caliper clearance of the wheel, unfortunately no wheel manufacturers include those measurements or dimensions.

Hope you are happy with your new wheel choice, I think they look AWESOME!!!

[atlpd3147]

thanks andy. no doubt they look better with your brakes in the background. :)