Thinking about changing to emanage blue

[drewgo]

I was wondering what this controls and takes out, such as:
Boost cut
Speed cut
REv cut.

Tunes fuel curve
timing...etc

I have a SAFC controlling my fuel,Greddy boost cut and Greddy speed but I wanted to get opinions on whether this will or will not be a good move.
Also will I still need the boost cut and speed cut?

:1zhelp:

[The Reaper]

emanage blue was the shit

what happened to yur chance with the ultimate drew?

EMB can control timing with an addon harness (sold seperately) and injector pulse (harness sold seperately) and tunes the fuel curve.

only gets rid of boost cut. Speed cut is still there and so is the rev limiter. you will still need your SCC, but the EMB has a built in Boost cut Eliminator

but i would definitely buy it again and probably will

[werewolves182]

The E-Manage will allow you to adjust your base maps and add additional maps. Adjust your timing and injector duty cycle. It does have a built in Boost cut controller however you will need to keep your Speed Cut controller.

I'm running E-Manage Blue on my Singled 1jz and haven't run into any problems. Its a pretty easy platform to tune on and the software is very user friendly.

[Supratrbox2]

Ive been lookin into this also and found a kit that seems to be a good deal.
https://935motorsports.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=79_14_147&products_id=1305
Not sur if its pnp but looks like a good setup for the price.

[1jzMoe]

what about driftmotion's stinger, why don't you try that one?

[The Reaper]

more than he prolly wants to spend right now. if he has a laptop which im sure he does. with harnesses and everything the EMB will cost him 400 vs 850

[csnow]

I heard the AEM will solve all those problems :bigthumb: Quit being a sissy Dre and man up to a standalone :)

Seriously,

The eman blue is a really nice unit and lots of people have put down some good power with it.

[suprastanger507mgte]

I will be using the emange with the greddy harness that is avaiable. Basically a fields harness with all options wired int it eg fuel, timing, injector duty, etc...It s a proven unit...

[1jzMoe]

personally i'd just wait and go for a stand alone instead of going with the piggy back

[OneJoeZee]

personally i'd just wait and go for a stand alone instead of going with the piggy back

A standalone is a big investment not everyone is willing to make right now for various reasons.

[Boostage]

I'll never run another aem standalone again.

[The Reaper]

y so?

[drewgo]

Reap, I am debating between the blue and the ultimate. I am coming across an opportunity to get this cheap. So I am still entertaining the idea.

And MR SNOW....What's wrong with being a sissy...? :naughty:

[OneJoeZee]

Keep us posted about how you do with the emanage blue or ultimate... I'm looking forward to getting good numbers with my setup with the same basic mods and management you were/are using.

[bigaaron]

The last Emanage blue I installed for a customer was basically nothing more then a simple 5 band afc with a fcd. :dunno: The big jumper harness supplied was a pita. It was still hitting fuel cut at about 20psi. I don't think the timing control was wired in, but I didn't even see any adjustments for it in the software.

When you go standalone you can sell your stock ecu and map sensor to offset the cost. I have base maps for 1jz with 440cc with stock twins, and 550cc with a single now too. It can control boost so you don't even need a boost controller, just a solenoid.

I'm not trying to talk Drewgo into it, it seems like he has a line on the Emanage for cheap. But it's not as expensive as you might think to go standalone once you consider all the options.

[OneJArpus]

^price out a standalone system for me ;) then i can sell my SARD ECU to offset the price

[drewgo]

I agree with bigaaron. I am entertaining the idea of using either emanage but I am not fully convinced that it will do more than what I am doing now.
I get good gas mileage and decent power using the SAFC. I think I am going to get a race tune and call it a day.

[OneJoeZee]

I agree with bigaaron. I am entertaining the idea of using either emanage but I am not fully convinced that it will do more than what I am doing now.
I get good gas mileage and decent power using the SAFC. I think I am going to get a race tune and call it a day.

I'm gonna do what you're doing and just use an AFC. I think I'll meet my goals(for now) without having to invest in a more expensive management system. But we'll see.

[bigaaron]

One thing the stock ECU does do for you is let you run more boost on pump gas, because it ratards the timing based off of what it reads from the knock sensors. That is good and bad though. Retarding the timing will loose some torque. The power you make at full boost will not necessarily be increased by going standalone. The gains will be more in the low to midrange rpm (read: driveability, accelleration, throttle response, etc...).

When you have complete control of the timing map, you can do some really cool stuff with it.
Adjusting the fuel map with an AFC only gets you half way there to a good tune. When you go single or aftermarket twin, they spool at a higher rpm. With a stock ecu, the turbo/s are not spooling until you are in a portion of the stock map that has lower timing numbers, because the twins would have already been close to full boost. That's a big reason why upgraded turbos feel a little extra laggy on a stock ecu.

People will spend over $500 more to get a ball bearing turbo that will make a very slight difference in spool time, but they will totally overlook the fact that their stock ecu is robbing all those gains, plus some.

[tissimo]

Then comes the question on how the ecu controls timing.. Timing modifier or 2nd timing map.. I think the jza70 ecus are more of a 2 map system.. the soarer ecus i think might be more of a timing modifier though.. why scs seem to run stronger then jza70s

[drewgo]

Good points. Aaron so in what you are saying, I can spool a single much fast if I play with the timing in the mid-range, say from 3-5k?

[1jzMoe]

Wow, i think Aaron just convinced me to go standalone sooner than i was planning.

[bigaaron]

You would increase the timing at the point at which you go from vacuum into boost. Then you roll back the timing as you get up to a few psi. You also can increase the timing after the torque peak.

[Zerocool]

I cannot wait tell I can afford Aarons Stinger stand alone! Personally think its the best bang for buck IMO :). I have also been trying to figure out what I want to do for tuning, everyday Im leaning more and more on the stinger ecu.

[drewgo]

You would increase the timing at the point at which you go from vacuum into boost. Then you roll back the timing as you get up to a few psi. You also can increase the timing after the torque peak.
Make good sense, although i am not a fan of standalone ....yet.
So a good alternative to standalone is what I am seeking. But I can't warrant a standalone at my power levels.

[1jzMoe]

yes you can,"preparing for the upper power levels and doing it right so you don't have to sell and replace stuff later." lol.

[The Reaper]

standalone is over board imo at anything below 500whp but at the sametime i think standalone is far beter than the piggy back in the sense that the more fuel you take out the more you screw with the timing and end up leaning it out too much and popping the motor. so all n all i say standlaone FTW especially since im SICK and TIRED of the stock ecu's frying on me......

[mrsuprafreak]

Why don't you talk to Neil about it. As you know he has a stand alone now and had the eman ultimate if I'm not mistaken.

[1jzMoe]

so all n all i say standlaone FTW especially since im SICK and TIRED of the stock ecu's frying on me......

Thats a good reason by itself to go standalone, and if you take it to a reputable tuner you tune it and leave it alone until up do the next good upgrade.

[drewgo]

Why don't you talk to Neil about it. As you know he has a stand alone now and had the eman ultimate if I'm not mistaken.

I spoke to him yesterday. He adised a stock ecu with the blue or the ultimate based on our discussion.

[mrsuprafreak]

I spoke to him yesterday. He adised a stock ecu with the blue or the ultimate based on our discussion.

I'm running the ultimate with my 2j swap. It's going to get tuned this week.

[drewgo]

I'm running the ultimate with my 2j swap. It's going to get tuned this week.

who wired it up for you? And who is tuning it?

[csnow]

I'll never run another aem standalone again.

You dont need to with your setup :evil2: j/k

Just curious, what problems did you have with the AEM?

[The Reaper]

i haven't heard of too many problems........but who knows.

[rakkasan]

I'll chime in on the subject. I have the full monte when it comes to EMB. I don't feel as though it's all that great. I'm also the one that Aaron refered to earlier. I'm pulling it all out when I get home from NJ this weekend & installing Stinger.

I put down 426whp as the car sits now, so I can dyno it again to see the difference, but I'm also throwing in 2J cams too. I might just do the Stinger this weekend & street tune it due to time limitations & then put the cams in later, but we'll have to see.

I'm not looking to make more power, I'm hoping to make the car more street friendly. More TQ down low & reduced spool time is what I'm after.

[hottscennessey]

I run the Stinger EMS and I think it's great. I love having full control. After some good tuning time the car drives just like stock again :)

[Jaguar]

Stinger FTW!

[mrsuprafreak]

who wired it up for you? And who is tuning it?

Neil wired it up! He is going to put base tune it to get it running good enough to drive and then I think it's going to maybe Doc I'm not sure fom fine tuning? My car is at there shop. It's the white 89 with mk4 wheels.

[daneyan]

Neil wired it up! He is going to put base tune it to get it running good enough to drive and then I think it's going to maybe Doc I'm not sure fom fine tuning? My car is at there shop. It's the white 89 with mk4 wheels.
saw your car there on monday. real nice setup. i helped install your twin pumps on there.

[mrsuprafreak]

saw your car there on monday. real nice setup. i helped install your twin pumps on there.

Wow! small world! Have I ever meet you?

[daneyan]

Wow! small world! Have I ever meet you?
um i doubt it. i'm over there every weekend almost but i don't think i've ever seen u over there, or maybe i have and didn't know it was you.

sorry to thread jack andres lol. try that emanage blue out and see what results u get if your getting it for the low low.

[drewgo]

Neil wired it up! He is going to put base tune it to get it running good enough to drive and then I think it's going to maybe Doc I'm not sure fom fine tuning? My car is at there shop. It's the white 89 with mk4 wheels.
LOL.... do you know how many white MK3 with Mk4 wheels are at their shop? Just messing with you.
How much does DOC charge to tune the EMU? pm me if you don't want to make that public

[mrsuprafreak]

LOL.... do you know how many white MK3 with Mk4 wheels are at their shop? Just messing with you.
How much does DOC charge to tune the EMU? pm me if you don't want to make that public

Okay the only one that looks good in that shop! :icon_bigg
JK!

PM sent

[tissimo]

mine looked good (if i was at that shop.. not sure where i was.. lol) :)

Standalone ftw.. I loved it.. too bad its gone for now :(

i used the eman blue, but with no extra harnesses, ran great for me..

[drewgo]

OK here's another question....
You got a standalone and you tuned the hell out of it.... Car's running nice, then winter comes around and you are driving your car in 50 degree weather when you had tuned it in 85 degree.... obviously your intake air is way denser than before.
Do you have to retune it or will it adjust to the weather change?

[bigaaron]

It has an air temp sensor, and you can also add extra temperature compensation.

[tissimo]

It has an air temp sensor, and you can also add extra temperature compensation.
werd..

[Rich]

That's the pain in the bum of standalone's; when you're done tuning fuel and ignition you need to tune all the compensation maps; airtemp, altitude, accell, decell etc. Well, at least if you want to drive the car in more than one condition ;-)
But it's worth it to have full control on all that is going on in controlling the engine. I'm still on the EMB + blitz ecu, but in the future I will also step up to a standalone. The most I'm worried about with piggybacks is ignition timing.

[tissimo]

it really wont sway that much.. you might need a minor retune (depending how aggressive you tune it) at wot, but o2 correction will fix any minor weather change just fine.. fwiw I never had ait correction on my car and It ran fine.. there wasn't that huge of a temp swing (probably 50 on the colder days to ~ 80 on the hotter days) but never had any issue.. Minor issues at wot (going from 11.2 on hotter days to 11.5 on the cooler.. if you're running an aggressive 12.0 or leaner, might cause a little bit of problems though..

[drewgo]

Justin, which standalone are you using?

[tissimo]

aem ems

[The Reaper]

edited::justin beat me to it

[csnow]

Justin, which standalone are you using?

AEM FTW, do it right drew. Alpha over in Tampa will do a street and dyno tune for under $400 including dyno time. He will also explain things so you can learn something and he guaranted me that it will run like a stock ecu but with better mileage. I am thinking about taking some of the tuner classes they have in Jacksonville as well to learn more about EFI performance tuning.

[tissimo]

honestly.. for your car drew, I dont think a standalone is necessary. Emanage will work out fine with it. Unless looking to upgrade later (more power). Fwiw though, my cammed 1j idled like stock where as I drove a cammed 1j on the stock ecu it idled a little funny (idle would hunt sometimes) and didn't seem to drive as nice.

[csnow]

Plus I got Tissimo here to help :bigthumb:

[drewgo]

Plus I got Tissimo here to help :bigthumb:
Maybe I should move up your way to have tissimo's expertise ..... But that would mean that I would be the fastest in town......:icon_razz :naughty: :biglaugh:

[csnow]

Maybe I should move up your way to have tissimo's expertise ..... But that would mean that I would be the fastest in town......:icon_razz :naughty: :biglaugh:


I didnt know you were selling and getting a new car. Cause I know you aint talking about your current little 2.5 liter :bigthumb:

I just got some new JDM tails in, I bought them for your enjoyment since you will be spending so much time looking at the rear of my car :naughty:

[drewgo]

I didnt know you were selling and getting a new car. Cause I know you aint talking about your current little 2.5 liter :bigthumb:

I just got some new JDM tails in, I bought them for your enjoyment since you will be spending so much time looking at the rear of my car :naughty:

I'll see them when I park behind you.

BTW, can you tell me if my Drager shoots flame out the back when I change gears? thanks:biglaugh:

[250sx]

^ LOL.

Very informative thread, if I may ask - Where are you guys sourcing the aem ems from?

[rakkasan]

I'll find out what kind of difference the Stinger will make over EMB. I dropped my car of at the not-so-local tuner today to have the Stinger dialed in, I'll pick it up on Friday. If I find out what kind of power it makes before then, I'll post it....

[suprahero]

Did you install the Stinger Standalone yourself or did you have someone install it? That's going to be the next purchase I make for my car. I know my afc is messing with my timing. I"m having to pull almost 50% of fuel at 4000-6000 rpm's. My injectors are too big for the stock ecu I guess. I was just wondering how hard the Standalone was to install if you're not a wiring guru.

[The Reaper]

if you get the pnp harness made at driftmotion it will be easy

[suprahero]

You know if I buy it then I'm getting it from www.driftmotion.com ...............:icon_bigg

Thanks Reaper. I'm going to check into and see the pros and cons of the standalone.

[rakkasan]

Did you install the Stinger Standalone yourself or did you have someone install it? That's going to be the next purchase I make for my car. I know my afc is messing with my timing. I"m having to pull almost 50% of fuel at 4000-6000 rpm's. My injectors are too big for the stock ecu I guess. I was just wondering how hard the Standalone was to install if you're not a wiring guru.

I put it in myself. It was easy to do because Aaron supplied the plug & play harness. The only trouble I had was getting the laptop to connect to the ECU so I could load the tables, but as always, Aaron saved my bacon over the phone. I had loaded a set of drivers for the USB - serial cable adapters, but it was the wrong ones. After I reloaded it with the correct adapters, the laptop connected to the ECU right away.

With the 440cc table that Aaron gave me, it cranked up with a little coaxing. I trimmed the fuel a little, bumped up the idle & the car ran well enough for me to drive it to Atlanta today (110 miles) so I can get it tuned. Funny part is, even though it isn't near 'tuned' enough for my motor, I got a lot better gas mileage than the stock ECU. Go figure....

All in all, I'm excited to see the difference. The tuner is a well respected dude around here. I talked to him about the direction I wanted him to go (broader power band, more torque, faster spool) & he said that it would be no problem. I fact, after telling him what I would be happy with power wise, he just chuckled. I'm have a feeling that I'll be surprised, but I don't want get hopes up just yet.

My advice, bite the bullet & make the switch. I would have done it when i shipped my car to Aaron had i know that it was available a little earlier, but I had already dropped a lot of coin on my EMB set up.

[rakkasan]

You know if I buy it then I'm getting it from www.driftmotion.com ...............:icon_bigg

Thanks Reaper. I'm going to check into and see the pros and cons of the standalone.


All pros, no cons other than the coinage....

[Spaniard]

keep us updated on the 1jz stinger ems!

[suprahero]

If this tuner is in Atlanta, then I could just drive over there. It's only about two and a half hours away. How long did he say it would take? The way you typed it, it looked like you were going to have to leave it for a while. Thanks for the info.

[rakkasan]

If this tuner is in Atlanta, then I could just drive over there. It's only about two and a half hours away. How long did he say it would take? The way you typed it, it looked like you were going to have to leave it for a while. Thanks for the info.

The shop I took it to is Mainstream Performance (mainstreamperformance.com). I left my car with them on Sunday because I flew to NJ on Monday & I won't be returning until tomorrow. I had them put the 2J cams & HKS cam gears in too since I don't want to have to have it tuned again & I didn't have the time to do it myself like I thought I would. I just talked to the guy there to see if it will be ready to go tomorrow. He had just got the car on the dyno an hour before I called so he had some time to get some of the tune done. He asked me several questions about how I wanted to have the car tuned & also what the car will be used for. All in all I'm really happy with this shop so far. They are setting my car up for what I want (power band & torque), not the way they want it...

Oh, the early word on the difference.....go here (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=712577#post712577)