My setup for the 89 (hows it sound?)

[BJ91T]

Well I made a thread a few weeks back but plans have changed and I now plan to do the JZ swap in the 89 shell that I have and keep my 91 stock for the daily drive. Well after looking into both aspects of the JZ series swaps I think I have decided on a 1.5JZ-GTE. I will do this in series first get a clip I assume and do a drop in swap to a 1jz-gte get the bugs worked out and get the car looking good. Drive the car for as long as it takes to source and build a 2jz-gte block. Once the 2jz block is done pull the 1jz and drop the block under the 1jz head (which will obviosly get some attention aswell) and run the car from a 1jz harness. When the 2jz block goes in so will AEM EMS and a 1jz-2jz jumper harness/adapter. Bassicly that (I assume) will give me a fun car and by fun I mean fast as all hell and make it quite simple and affordable (by affordable I mean i can buy new stuff at my leisure and not be rushed to get the car running. I have laid out my "end result" parts list keep in mind it will not all be done in any quickness since the car will run while the 2jz gets built. Tell me anything I may have left out or something I may not need. Along with a ballpark HP number if possible.

Big part of this list was based on HamsmkIII's brown car because I have loved that car since I joined the site.

2JZGTE Block
balanced crank
Crower Rods
Wiseco Pistons w/rings
ARP Main Studs
New Toyota Oil Pick up
New Toyota Oil Pump
1JZGTE Head
Ferrera 2JZ intake valves stock size
Ferrera 2JZ +1mm exhaust valves
Viton Valve Seals
Manley Valve Springs / Ti Retainers
HKS 1JZ 272 In/Ex Camshafts
HKS Cam Gears
HKS Timing Belt
Greddy Billet Catch Can
Toyota MHG
ARP Head Studs
Porting / Polishing
T4 tubular manifold
Precision GT70GTS w/ .84 hotside
HKS S/S 50mm Racing Wastegate
3" Turbo-back I will put a apexi N1 on the back
Blitz LM V-Spec Intercooler 4-Row w/ 3" Intercooler Pipes
HKS SSQV BOV (two of them??)
Dual Fuel Pump Hangar
Dual Walbro GSS341 fuel pumps
Dual -6 feed / - 6 return line
Aeromotive A1000 fuel pressure regulator with pressure gauge
MVP Motorsports - 8 dual feed / single return fuel rail
Siemens 950cc injectors
AEM EMS for the 2JZGTE
AEM AIT temp sensor
GM MAP sensor
AEM Boost control solenoid
HKS DLI-II
Greddy Gauges
AEM W/B
Koyo Racing radiator
FAL 210 dual electric fans
Samco Radiator Hoses
2JZGTE Water pump
R154 trans (so i will need 1jz FW and Bell 7m pp and disk)
ACT HD Pressure plate
6 Puck Ceramic Sprung Disc
C's Short Shifter
Braided Stainless clutch cable


Thats all I can think of for now


Thanks in advance
BJ Crifasi

[Tim]

That is a really big list. It must be nice to have funds to back up that big list.:aigo:

[pocketrocket07]

Why the 1jz head? dont the 2j's flow better?

[mattjk]

jesus, just buy a salvaged mkivtt

[AF1JZ]

Jeez dude, that's going to cost a pretty penny. It should be badass in the end though.

[OneJoeZee]

Why bother with a 1.5JZ?

You want the 3L so just get a 2J. Don't make things harder than they have to be. If you can't afford the 2J right out, then just wait a bit.

It doesn't sound like you're going to be finishing this car anytime soon, so just wait and get the engine you want the first time.

[BJ91T]

because I am trying to keep the wiring as simple as possible

[The Reaper]

maybe its what he wants to do lay the fuck off guys jesus.

if he wants a 1.5JZ then let him be. damn all these people quick to bash someone and hound em....and who in the hell wants an auto tt mkiv? not me.

go on mustangman do what you want don't listen to these people i think its sweet and your car will be better then 90% of the people talking shit to you as you are building it man.....do the damn thang!!

[BJ91T]

thank you reaper yes its what i want to do, sure it will be alot of money but it wont hit me hard all at once because it will be a running 1jz car and i will slowly stockpile the parts for my 2jz bottom end. I dont see anyone bashing hams when he did his... And no i wont be getting a mkiv anytime soon

[The Reaper]

no problem man i feel ya slowly upgrading. instead of needing to take out a loan to build it LOL

i'm going 1.5JZ as well, wont be going AS big as you are for a LONG while but will be 1.5J with single 67 or 71 turbo by the end of the year is my plan

edit:: btw mkiv's are gay in the sense that they are 9-15 years old and are STILL over priced. a 94 TT 6speed should be around 12-15K not 25-30K thats horse shit

[BJ91T]

well honestly 800 at the wheels but if i do a full on 2jz-gte the wiring nightmare that i was trying to avoid comes into play

[BJ91T]

I want to go stand alone from day 1 so what will i need to do that (aem)

[Big Wang Bandit]

2jz and a single. standalone = not much wiring.

[The Reaper]

im gonna do a 1.5JZ still man if its what you want do it. if you want a 2J then do it.

before Ric was saying the head flow wasn't different and now he's saying it will be a restriction....makes no sense stick with one or the other.

im doing it to be different plus for me its cheaper. later down the line if i want to swap it out i will get a 2JZ head

[BJ91T]

i am confused lol i want the 3.0 but the 1jz head makes it easier. If i do the 1.5 how do i go about running it from aem?

[Big Wang Bandit]

The only reason people dont go FULL 2jz is A, They are cheap, B 2JZ-GTE heads are not cheap, and C, Modifications are required to run STOCK turbos on a 2jz-gte in an A70


So go single, go standalone, And you win

[The Reaper]

ric has a point

i want a 1.5JZ

A.) cause its different no real bandwagon here
B.) HAMSmkiii's car is sick so it proves it will make power fine
C.) its cheaper than a full 2JZ motor set. i can go 1.5JZ and a single turbo for close to what it costs for a jdm 2JZ with small shitty twins, small cams, and small injectors.

[BJ91T]

well if i go full on 2jz will this work

aristo 2jz gte
1jz harness
aem ems for 2jz
something to plug 1jz harness to 2jz aem
1jz flywheel
1jz r154 bellhousing
7m pp
7m disk
correct oil pan and sump

[OneJoeZee]

edit:: btw mkiv's are gay in the sense that they are 9-15 years old and are STILL over priced. a 94 TT 6speed should be around 12-15K not 25-30K thats horse shit

Does the concept of supply and demand escape you?

[The Reaper]

supply and demand??? please its called fast n furious and everyone puts it up on podium

[OneJoeZee]

supply and demand??? please its called fast n furious and everyone puts it up on podium

A factor of supply and demand...

[The Reaper]

well i still say its retarded

i'll stay mkiii

[OneJoeZee]

Why is it retarded?

[The Reaper]

cause you're over paying like a mofugga thats why

thats like buying a HDTV for 14K when you know its only worth 3K

[OneJoeZee]

That's not a good analogy. HDTVs are not rare or out of production.

If there were only a small limited run of HDTVs ever and no more were made after that, you can bet the price would be higher than normal retail.

It's not retarded. It's just how supply and demand works. Low supply + high demand = prices go up. It's really not that hard to understand.

If you don't want to pay the price for a MKIV, then that's fine. I don't either but I do understand why the prices are the way they are. To call it retarded is silly.


Anyway, back on topic. I still don't see the reason why a full 2JZ shouldn't be used from the start. The list of parts doesn't sound like any sort of budget build, so why waste time with a 1.5JZ? No reason to reinvent the wheel. Toyota already made a 3L JZ engine readily available for you.

Don't tell me it's to save money or wiring. There are HKS cams listed. You could save money and buy Crowers or BCs. There is a Blitz LM IC listed. You could go with a just as good ebay core. Use autometers instead of Greddy's. If you're going standalone, you're going to have to have some wiring work done anyway so the wiring excuse is out. etc etc... See where this is going?

[OneJoeZee]

I'm not talking about your 1.5. I'm referring to the OPs idea. And I'm not bashing anyone, so check that at the door.

[SupraStardom]

The OP posted for people's thoughts. People offered them. Some good, some bad. Part of the game. There are people who have been there and done that. That's what makes the forum great. Reaper says the 1.5jz is road less traveled and it is....for a reason. It's like poking a retarded kid. It looks "cool" and its fun, but in the end you feel like it was kinda dumb and a sort of waste of time. I agree with mostly everyone else that's offered they're opinion. Save up enough cash to get the things to get a full 2jz swap. There's plenty of info on here on how to do and how to do it cheaply as possible.

Don't start the swap until you have everything ready to do it. from the engine block down to power steering fluid. It is the only way to go. In fact make sure you oder your stuff all together from like driftmotion so you don't have to pay far out the @$$ for shipping, plus the fact that you can tell them what your goals are and the can work with you. Most of all while your saving your money research what you are doing. You may not need to spend as much money as you originally projected. Like following Joe's advice. Also your research should point you in the right direction for what to do to get you car up and going quicker. You also will see what problems people are having, so you don't make there mistakes.

[BJ91T]

yeah the 2jz is looking like more of the way to go for me and my goals further down the road. I have been looking for sites or even threads devoted to the 2jz-gte swap into the ma70 chassis with not much luck anyone have links to said threads/sites??

[fast 7m]

wouldn't be cheaper just to buy a mkiv clip. it looks like a lot of money and time to get a smaller motor.

[SupraStardom]

All right reaper, the guy wants 800whp. 2jz is the way to go. The goal is closer to him by going 2jz right off the bat. Just saving the guy a massive amount of time and money. Don't see why you have to flame everyone that isn't doing what your doing. Your not that great.

As for me I want something more reliable than the 7m and my goal is only about 400hp. I'm not going for a dyno queen or drag monster. So I don't need a 2jz. I have about 4gs into my swap and I'm happy with what I got. May go single turbo to get rid of the stock twins and that will be about it. It may sound weird, but if I want to go rape people at the track I bring the honda. My built n/a h22a will make your 1.5jz cry. So I don't a 2jz homie. 1jz is just fine.

[The Reaper]

Don't see why you have to flame everyone that isn't doing what your doing. Your not that great.


read what i said in this thread again there buddy boy i was telling everyone to STOP flaming him.....doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. get your facts straight before you try to shut some one down.

[OneJoeZee]

ok so if everyone is saying that the 2J is the way to go and just save extra money then why do you guys own 1JZ's????? 1.5JZ is the samething just an extra half a liter so i dont see a dumb "poking a retard" way about it....


I've had 2 Supras and 4 different engines(1 7M, a 1J swapped, replaced 1J, bought new 1J car.) If I wanted a 2JZ in a Supra, I would have one by now. I have never wanted a 2JZ in my Supra and have said so since day one. But we aren't talking about me are we? Why are you generalizing using words like 'everyone' and 'you guys'? We are talking about one specific person here, the OP.

You never give up do you... It would be nice if you could post in these threads without pushing your own agenda to justify what you do with your car. You flip flop more than Al Gore. In the beginning the said that the 1J is weak and you're just going to skip it and go straight to a 2J. Then you ACTUALLY buy one and put a 1J in your car and STILL talk shit about it while driving it everyday. Do you know how silly that sounds? You could have just gone 2J like you wanted from the start. Don't give me that "I couldn't afford it" BS. I thought you had a daily driver? To this day it vexes me how someone who talked so much shit about the 1J could even consider putting one in their car. Then you went on your '2J is the only way to go' deal and talked about what you're going to do when you take out the 1J and put a 2J in. NOW, you're actually doing a 1.5JZ. What happened? Did Tissimo have to hold your hand to help you make that decision too? I don't even know why you're bringing up 1Js in this thread. We're not even talking about 1Js. When did I ever say anything about a 1J. I only mentioned 1.5JZ and 2JZ, that's all and that if his end goal for this huge build is a 3L JZ engine and it doesn't seem like his mod list is cutting corners or any kind of budget build, then he should just use the 2JZ from the beginning. Read my posts and comprehend what I actually said and not what you want or think I said. I wasn't even talking about you or your 1.5JZ plan but in almost every thread you have to go off on some tangent about 1Js and how much they suck to make yourself feel good about whatever it is you choose to do with your car. Putting someone or something else down to justify what you have or want? Grow up. That's high school shit.



I've always said the 1.5JZ is a good idea IF you already have a 1J and some significant money invested in that 1J head.(turbo kit, cams, head work, etc.)





in the debates you say 1JZ is better but then when someone wants to stroke the motor it is now stupid and pointless? i dont see why......i think it'll be good enough for what i want and i want the 3L because of the fact that the 1J is weak in the low range dept.
Here we go again with what YOU want to do with YOUR car.

Who said the 1J is better? Surely, you don't think I did. Find my post where I have ever said the 1JZ is the superior motor.

The 1J is not weak in the low range. :rolleyes: Maybe there's something wrong with your car but mine has very good low end power. How early do you want your car to make power? At 2000? Sell your Supra, grow your mullet out, and buy a V8. If you're talking about larger turbos instead, any small displacement mtor(1J and 2J) will be 'weak' in the low end when making large amounts of horsepower. You don't get something for nothing... Simple physics. You want big power? You sacrifice the lower end of your powerband.

[SupraStardom]

read what i said in this thread again there buddy boy i was telling everyone to STOP flaming him.....doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. get your facts straight before you try to shut some one down.

Dude read my quote and your post homie it doesn't make any sense. I told you to stop flaming others for not doing what you are doing. No one is flaming the original poster. I'm not the original poster so your comment doesn't even make any sense, unless your on pcp.

I wanna poke you right now. (side note- see poking a retard analogy). Joe is right grow up.

[SupraStardom]

well i guess everyone else is allowed to have an opinion but im not....and here i thought the 1J crowd were better than the 7M crowd....guess i was wrong im done here.

wtf? no one said anyone was better than anyone. This isn't high school where you have your little clicks and stuff. Everyone is the same. No one group is better than others. Your retarded. An engine racist? I don't know, luckily I'm not the psychologist trying to get through that wall in your head.

[BJ91T]

Well thanks to everyone that had nice things to say to me and brought very good points to the table i have decided which way i am going but to avoid further arguments i wont post it here instead just find my build thread in the next few weeks and you will see. Thanks to Joe and everyone else for keeping me on track and doing what i want not what everyone wants to see.


thanks again
BJ Crifasi

[OneJoeZee]

Well thanks to everyone that had nice things to say to me and brought very good points to the table i have decided which way i am going but to avoid further arguments i wont post it here instead just find my build thread in the next few weeks and you will see. Thanks to Joe and everyone else for keeping me on track and doing what i want not what everyone wants to see.


thanks again
BJ Crifasi

Just for the record, I don't have a problem with the thread or your choice of engine or parts. It looks like a big wishlist but we all have big plans for our cars in our heads and there's nothing wrong with getting advice and feedback from other's to refine your list and plans.

If you wanted to get the car running early to just drive while you're collecting parts and building up, a 1J swap wouldn't be a bad idea. Just having the car running can keep your motivation up. Dumping money into a car that can't move on it's own power can be hard sometimes. But if you're going for one straight shot to the end goal, just start with a 2J as I stated earlier. You could always put together a stock 2J swap too while you build up, too. If I were you, I'd probably do that. Just have the basic stock 2J running in the car. No hassle, no fuss. Then build a spare 2J block on the side with whatever parts you choost and when the time comes, all you'd have to do is change over.

Whenever I get the time and money, I'd probably do my 1J that way. Buy another 1J and build it on the side. Just thinking out loud.

[csnow]

Guys, take it easy on the Reaper. He is a really nice guy and you guys are wacking him good. I was in the same boat he was in until recently when I finally decided on the 2J. I was flopping around from 1J to 1.5J to 2J. It was so bad my wife would just say "just finish the stupid car". It is a tuff decision for some of us, easy for others. All the motors rock in my opinion. Lets just enjoy the Supra's and life. This is a great community with a lot of great members.

[OneJoeZee]

Guys, take it easy on the Reaper. He is a really nice guy and you guys are wacking him good. I was in the same boat he was in until recently when I finally decided on the 2J. I was flopping around from 1J to 1.5J to 2J. It was so bad my wife would just say "just finish the stupid car". It is a tuff decision for some of us, easy for others. All the motors rock in my opinion. Lets just enjoy the Supra's and life. This is a great community with a lot of great members.


He brings it on himself. It's not like I have a grudge against him.

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

You've always discussed your 2J plans in a positive manner instead of saying bullshit like "1J sucks. 1J low end is weak. Not made for big power. not enough torque to move our cars. etc etc"

[drunk_medic]

If you wanted to get the car running early to just drive while you're collecting parts and building up, a 1J swap wouldn't be a bad idea. Just having the car running can keep your motivation up. Dumping money into a car that can't move on it's own power can be hard sometimes. But if you're going for one straight shot to the end goal, just start with a 2J as I stated earlier. You could always put together a stock 2J swap too while you build up, too. If I were you, I'd probably do that. Just have the basic stock 2J running in the car. No hassle, no fuss. Then build a spare 2J block on the side with whatever parts you choost and when the time comes, all you'd have to do is change over.

Whenever I get the time and money, I'd probably do my 1J that way. Buy another 1J and build it on the side. Just thinking out loud.

This is excellent advice, and I have a bit of experience to go along with it. I have so many parts for a 2JZ->Mk3 swap right now, it's crazy - I actually have all but a couple parts to convert a JDM Aristo engine to a US-Spec Supra engine. The list is long, and expensive. Sure, you may come across deals here and there, but this is not a cheap hobby.
I'm actually considering doing this - and then building on the side. Now that I make a decent amount of money, I might be able to finish a car. I still do not know if I want to do this to a MkIII or a SC300, but time will tell.