CNC Cam Covers with Extras

[arz]

We had a late addition.

Hey guys I am making a few extra. On one hand I would love to sell them all but on the other hand I would love to keep them because they are so beautiful.

Official list of those that have paid the deposit.

1. yannis-supras---------------Deposit paid
2. jdub------------------------Deposit paid
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------Deposit paid
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------Deposit paid
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------Deposit Paid
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------Deposit paid
7. MK3_300--------------------Deposit paid
8. Buckshotglass---------------Deposit paid
9.
10.

[yannis-supras]

Don't tease man, we need some pictures!!!!!!

[arz]

Sorry man nothing to show but me crackin the whip on my Machinist.

There are a few things I do need to know. More lists.

What I need to know is which way each of you intend to attach your plumbing.

I need two separate lists. This first list is for your Crank case breather port.

Do you plan on running it with the stock hose and a clamp? or with an AN fitting like Duane See photo here (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/upgradedsupra/IM003115.jpg) the difference here is that the AN fitting will be a bulkhead type with an O-ring and there wont be any threads showing the hex will bottom out on the Cam cover with a thin aluminum washer and Silicone O-ring inside. Go here (http://www.xrp.com/XRPCatalog.pdf) and slide down to page 33 and look at pn 980012 that is the intended part that will fit in that port. If you plan to run the stock hose I am making a tube adapter just like stock and you will be able to run your stock type/size hose and clamp.

As you can see on that page you can get a few different sizes, but the size in the side of the left cover will be -12 parallel (or 1 1/16-12 UNJ) This will seal with an O-ring included in the AN part you purchase. To give you an example of the list price of the 980012 I have a catalog dated April 1st 2006 that has a list price of $23.94 these can surely be found for less on-line. Be aware the the next size up, if you plan on running -16 AN is $31.32.

What I need to know is, "Stock type" or "AN fitting"?

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?


Heres part 2
Now I need to what you guys plan to run up on top of the Cam Covers, commonly called the PCV (positive crankcase ventilation). This is the tube that went to the throttle body and the accordion tube in front of the turbo. I don't care how you guys route it just needed to describe it. I would recommend a tube from each cam cover to a catch can and a tube from both the throttle body and in front of the turbo to the same catch can, if you intend to duplicate the stock set up.

On top it will have a -10 parallel port designed to seal the same as the crankcase breather. If you notice that same page there are several exit sizes for the AN side that still have the -10 O-ring parallel port. If you plan on running -10 AN plumbing you will need 2 980010 straight AN ports.

Same question here I will make a tube adapter that will work with the stock tube if you intend to plumb it that way, but I need to know who is planning on doing what, so I can make what you will need.

To give you an idea of what your tube adapter will look like, look at page 31 in the XRP catalog. It will look just like the blue 840 or the black 850 pictured on the left of the 3 photos on that page with the exception being that instead of a pipe thread it will have the same O-ring bulkhead type seal. To give you an example of the cost of the AN fittings, that shows the 980010 with a list price or $23.94. Remember these are 2006 prices and be prepared for them not to be current.

I need to know the same thing for this top of the cam covers PCV port.

"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?

PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?


I really only need to know who is planning using the stock type plumbing configuration. If you are going the AN route you will see there are several options one page forward or one page back in that XRP catalog. Or you could get real crazy and do Wiggins couplings like on page 19.

The problem is I cant quote you a price yet, I will give you guys the best deal I can, just because you guys are the first customers. I will give estimates but they are only that ESTIMATES!!! The side hose adapter should be between $25 and $50 and the top hose adapter should be between $18 and $35. Hope you guys aren't upset about this additional expense but I knew everybody was going to want it different and there was really only one way to do it RIGHT!!!

[yannis-supras]

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"-12 AN fitting"
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"2 x -10 AN fittings"
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?

[arz]

Side Crank Cover port list.......... (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...).......


Thats cool they sell both!

[yannis-supras]

Would that not affect the actual diameter of the port though Andy? I mean if I decide to go with -16AN won't it result in a larger port than the -12AN?

[jdub]

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"AN fitting" (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...)
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting -12
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type"
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting - Part #984581 45 deg Male AN-8
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?[/QUOTE]

[IJ.]

Would that not affect the actual diameter of the port though Andy? I mean if I decide to go with -16AN won't it result in a larger port than the -12AN?
Yannis: Why so large?

Pair of -10's here are more than enough to cope.

[arz]

Would that not affect the actual diameter of the port though Andy? I mean if I decide to go with -16AN won't it result in a larger port than the -12AN? Yea thats the point, you all have more HP than stock and so some might have more blow-by than stock and might want to decrease the velocity of the gases and bla bla bla. You can do whatever you see fit on your motor. Im just making you aware of the options available.

I got you too jdub, looks like you will be fine with that PN also.

[jdub]

Yeah...the plan is to arc the two lines aft to the firewall and route to an oil separator. Should look nice and clean ;)

[arz]

Should look nice and clean ;)I have no doubts!!!

OK everybody else!!!! I know this seems like homework but I need to know or you wont have an option to attach like stock if you need.

[yannis-supras]

Yannis: Why so large?

Pair of -10's here are more than enough to cope.
Ian I think you got the wrong ports. I wasn't reffering to the two PCV ports, this is the size for the single Side Crank Cover port. And I think I'm gonna go with the -12 AN one. My original post is edited accordingly.

[IJ.]

Yannis: DOH yes I was talking about the top ports not the side vent/drain (It's not really part of the PCV system)

I'd just use the stock size there.

[yannis-supras]

Which is -12AN, am I correct?

[IJ.]

Off the top of my head it's 19mm 3/4" so yep -12
(I'll measure it in a few minutes to be sure)

[yannis-supras]

That sounds about right sir!

[IJ.]

Yannis: It's actually 22mm.

[yannis-supras]

Hmm, so that's more like -16 AN right?

[arz]

Guys the ID on the factory tube is .768 inches that works out to 19.5mm the nominal ID of -12 is .609 but the thread is 1 1/16th so there is plenty of room to drill it out, if you run a 929112 or 90052 and drill it out to 3/4 inch and also drill out the hose barb going to the crank case that should be plenty............Screw all that there are 3-4 half inch ports going from the top of the head to the bottom of the block,(not including the front oil drain just aft of the front cover. -12 should be fine you just need a way to attach it to the block. You could tig weld a fitting on at the block, that would do it.

[IJ.]

Andy: The block fitting is just pressed in and easily removed.

[arz]

Andy: The block fitting is just pressed in and easily removed. I was just thinking of an easy "in vehicle" installation.

[buckshotglass]

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"AN fitting" (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...)
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting -12
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting -12 (Black.)



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type"
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting - Part #984581 45 deg Male AN-8
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass--------------45 deg AN fitting AN-10 (black. Is that ok?)

[suprastar90]

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"AN fitting" (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...)
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting -12
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------AN fitting -12
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting -12 (Black.)



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type"
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting - Part #984581 45 deg Male AN-8
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------AN fitting - AN-10 not 100% sure of the specifics yet tho
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass--------------45 deg AN fitting AN-10 (black. Is that ok?)

[arz]

not 100% sure of the specifics yet tho
^^^ is this anything I need to know?^^^


8. Buckshotglass--------------45 deg AN fitting AN-10 (black. Is that ok?)
^^^ Yea you guys can buy any color you want.^^^

I wanted to make sure you guys didnt think the AN fittings were on my dime. Based on some of your answers, im getting the impression, some might think these are included.

Heres the link (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=696482&postcount=198)

Heres the quote:

Sorry but no, its $595 for just the two covers and related hardware.

For your $595 you will get 2 Cam covers and all associated hardware to install the cam covers on the head and the Oil Baffles and the Oil cap filler neck.

No Oil Cap, No AN fittings, and no Cam Cover Gasket, I am working on the Coil pack cover and will offer those later to all that have purchased a set from me.

Sorry for the confusion.

The reason I need this info is for the people that intend to retain STOCK plumbing, and I will make custom fittings for them that will install in the same place as these "off the shelf" XRP AN fittings. If you plan to go 100% AN fittings then you will purchase these pieces from Summit Jegs or your local hotrod shop.

[buckshotglass]

Ok cool.

[GrimJack]

Dammit.

I know I need to read through this and pick something, but I'm spending all my time outside under the hood putting the car back together and getting it running nicely at the moment.

I don't want to retain the stock plumbing. Actually, I was hoping that the PCV ports on the top would go away with these... perhaps plumbing the two together across the spark plug gap like the JZ series engines, then out the side of the exhaust side cover.

I will find the time to check that catalog and pick something soonish.

[arz]

You dont need to pick anything, you just need to let me know if your going AN or Im going to need to make you a fitting to fit on the stock plumbing. If you KNOW your not using stock plumbing then thats all I need to know because you can purchase the AN fittings anytime.

[buckshotglass]

Sounds good. Make mine black.;)

[arz]

Sounds good. Make mine black.;)
^^^^Your kidding right!!! Just messin with me right!?!? ^^^^

I am only making NON "AN" fitting if and only IF you guys request them and you must commit to buying them before I make them.

[yannis-supras]

Another change of plans, I promise it's the very last one; I decided to go with 2 x -10 AN fittings for the PCV ports instead of stock. I edited my initial post accordingly. Once again sorry for changing my mind up but this will be it.

[GrimJack]

You dont need to pick anything, you just need to let me know if your going AN or Im going to need to make you a fitting to fit on the stock plumbing. If you KNOW your not using stock plumbing then thats all I need to know because you can purchase the AN fittings anytime.IN that case... I'll be using AN.

[arz]

Another change of plans, I promise it's the very last one; I decided to go with 2 x -10 AN fittings for the PCV ports instead of stock. I edited my initial post accordingly. Once again sorry for changing my mind up but this will be it.
No sweat!!! I just need a final head count before Im ready to cut chips on these.



IN that case... I'll be using AN.Excellent, thats all I need to know.

[buckshotglass]

So, what's up?

[arz]

^^^No news yet, Sorry Dave^^^

[yannis-supras]

Hey Andy can we at least see some kind of a drawing or sketch of the full valve covers setup inc. the so much anticipated middle cover at this point? I mean apart from that right hand side half finished valve cover that we saw like 4 months ago we have absolutely no clue what the rest of the stuff will look like (apart from written descriptions that is). I think if my memory serves me right, you did mention that we'd at least have a chance to take a look of the cnc models of the above soon after the buyers list would be completed.
Don't get me wrong, this is in no way to question the quality of your work, but I honestly believe that the ones that have paid a deposit in good faith do deserve to see what the final product will look like, even in cnc model form, as it's been over 3 months that it was mentioned that this project was your number 1 priority back then but other projects come and go in the mean time.

[arz]

I see your point, I will get on that, soon. I have given the designs to my CNC guys and they have the material they just have other jobs running at the moment. They have been swamped so I am trying to give them a little breathing room, you guys patients is much appreciated.

I will get on the models and get something out soon. Theres no secrets here just busy with other stuff (rear brakes, Vegas catch up and life).

[yannis-supras]

Thing is that I went through the whole thread just to refresh on the details and one of the things that I did remember and double checked to be sure on was that you did say that the first of us that jumped in to this would have the chance to put in our own suggestions on the middle cover design etc. given the fact that we'd be shown your master design in order to decide if we fully approve or not. I don't wanna end up having the final product finished and done with without getting the chance to at least have my opinion heard on it. At least this was the agreement in order to make this happen and work all together in order to end up all happy with the final product. I hope I don't sound unreasonable.

[arz]

^^^ Thats a little unreasonable ^^^ :biglaugh:

But that IS what I said!!! Yes I will give you guys a chance to steer the design a bit, but that will make a little more work for me, but thats OK, thats what I agreed to. What I wont agree to is 3-4 different designs, just to make each and every one of you guys a 100% unique part.

This weekend I will try to bust out a few ideas for how I see the Coil Pack covers, you guys reply with what you like best and any new ideas if you have them or photos of something you like, and I will put it to a vote between you guys, if goes smoothly.

I just got back from the machinists and they are trying to kick out some last little cool parts for SEMA, after that he said they will have a bit more time.

Heres an updated list please guys check this and correct it if you see an error or you haven't said what your preference is

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"AN fitting" (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...)
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting -12
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"AN fitting"
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"AN fitting"
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"AN fitting"
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting -12 (Black.)



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type"
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting - Part #984581 45 deg Male AN-8
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"AN fitting"
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"AN fitting"
8. Buckshotglass---------------"AN fitting"

[GrimJack]

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"AN fitting" (still have to decide between -12 AN and -16 AN though...)
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting -12
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"AN fitting"
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"AN fitting"
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"AN fitting"
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting -12 (Black.)



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"Stock type"
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting - Part #984581 45 deg Male AN-8
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"AN fitting"
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"AN fitting"
8. Buckshotglass---------------"AN fitting"

[yannis-supras]

Andy you helped me decide on the side crank port size, remember? I have ordered my fittings based on your suggestions in our last few pm's. I did want it to be -16AN but you said it can't be done so I had to go for the -12AN to -16AN adapter. That's why I deleted my last post that was reffering to the size decision and edited the initial sizing list accordingly.

So as off edited on 10-14-2007 the list goes:


Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"-12 AN fitting"
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?



PCV (positive crankcase vent) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------"2 x -10 AN fittings"
2. jdub------------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
7. MK3_300--------------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
8. Buckshotglass---------------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?

[arz]

Andy you helped me decide on the side crank port size, remember? I have ordered my fittings based on your suggestions in our last few pm's. I did want it to be -16AN but you said it can't be done so I had to go for the -12AN to -16AN adapter. That's why I deleted my last post that was reffering to the size decision and edited the initial sizing list accordingly.

So as off edited on 10-14-2007 the list goes:

I have that exact -12 O-ring to -16 AN and you will see that its almost the exact same size thru the entire inside diameter. You will see there is no need for -16 on both ends, besides you will see why I cant use a -16 O-ring in that location when I show the models (hopefully this weekend).

I do remember now I was just expecting the last guy to take the latest list and edit it so that the list would be the most up to date.

Remember all I need to know is, AN or not, and it looks like it might be unanimous, just waiting for one more.

Sean did we discuss this on PM and I forgot too?

Heres the latest list.

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------AN fitting
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------AN fitting
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------AN fitting
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------AN fitting
7. MK3_300--------------------AN fitting
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting



PCV (positive crankcase vent, the ones on top of the Cam covers) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------AN fitting
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------AN fitting
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------"Stock type" or "AN fitting"?
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------AN fitting
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------AN fitting
7. MK3_300--------------------AN fitting
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting

[suprastar90]

Sorry Andy, not been on for a while so had`nt seen this :aigo: I did specify AN fitting back in post 273 so looks like it must have got lost somewhere along the way :eek: LOL


Heres the latest list.

Side Crank Cover port list
1. yannis-supras---------------AN fitting
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------AN fitting
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------AN fitting
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------AN fitting
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------AN fitting
7. MK3_300--------------------AN fitting
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting



PCV (positive crankcase vent, the ones on top of the Cam covers) port list
1. yannis-supras---------------AN fitting
2. jdub------------------------AN fitting
3. Red '88T (Jason)------------AN fitting
4. suprastar90 (sean)----------AN fitting
5. upgradedsupra (Duane)------AN fitting
6. GrimJack (Dave)-------------AN fitting
7. MK3_300--------------------AN fitting
8. Buckshotglass---------------AN fitting

Cheers,

Sean.

[yannis-supras]

Still nothing???
I hate to be the bitchy one but is this going to be an infinate patience project? There's no single time target you set that we just simply failed to meet. I partially understand the practical side of the thing but why can we not have a single sample of the actual design of the damn things? That's supposedly entirely up to you. You said these would be ready by SILV and almost a month down we still don't know what's happening with these.

[arz]

Still nothing???
I hate to be the bitchy one but is this going to be an infinate patience project? There's no single time target you set that we just simply failed to meet. I partially understand the practical side of the thing but why can we not have a single sample of the actual design of the damn things? That's supposedly entirely up to you. You said these would be ready by SILV and almost a month down we still don't know what's happening with these.You are correct. Im sorry for the wait, if I could control it I would. I assure you this wait is not any of my doing. If I could affect the change I would. These things are complicated and my machinist is stalling because they will tie up a machine for so long. Here in the West SEMA is an annual ritual that every automotive manufacturer, scrambles to get their latest prototypes out the door to display at the SEMA show in Vegas. If you haven't been to SEMA you cant imagine the scope, its mind boggling

My shops are no exception. I am sorry to not provide you with specific detailed part photos or cad images, but I assure you they will be incredible. No one has risen to a challenge this difficult nor proved they could do it with the consistency I do. Im sorry I haven't been able to provide final designs but to be honest with you I havent finished the Coil pack cover design on the computer, I do have a very good mental picture of how this will be finalized. This might not instill confidence in you guys, but it is exactly how I have finished many designs through out my career. I have verified many many many dimensions and clearances but I just haven't put pen to paper... er, mouse to clickin in this area. I assure you I probably have a more comprehensive cad model of the head and cams and all related hardware than anyone except for Toyota. If you need to see that I can send a screen dump of that if it will calm your nerves.

I have built several prototype Coil Pack relocation brackets, but I havent shared them for the sole reason that this usually limits design changes in the future, because, people see it one way and then complain when it dosent look exactly the way the prototype was. By not showing you the half a dozen preliminary ideas, keeps me from having to explain exactly why I had to change the design. I don't really want to be micro managed by customers that don't 100% understand why I had to make a change.

I do have other items on my plate and have resisted completing the Coil Pack cover for the sole reason that in my experience rushing a design like that only generates wasted time. Often times I decide on a final path once I see how the whole project stacks up in real life.

Trust me I wont stack some pile of junk on top of your beautiful Cam covers and tell you to hit the road. This is my reputation, and stopping short of perfection just before the finish line wont make anyone happy. I would rather present you with a decision to make when its TIME to make the decision than have you rush me into showing you what my ideas are before I have a concrete final part to base the cover on. Bow hunters don't draw their bow before the sun has come up, in hopes of getting the game at "first light".

I am very sorry for the wait, but if you would like a refund I will be glad to provide it.

[upgradedsupra]

Thank for the input. As long as I get mine before the spring I am happy

Duane

[Justin727]

Can't wait to see the final results. Im sorry I couldn't jump on this buy but if one comes up in the future I most certainly will. Had to put money towards things a lil more important at the time.

Keep up the good work ARZ

[7M-fanatic]

Can I get a set without the PVC holes drilled?
I would hate to even try and predict where I need them on my twin-charged engine.

Also, is there enough material thickness on the top of these that I could cut some fins on them with my mill?

[yannis-supras]

I am sorry to not provide you with specific detailed part photos or cad images, but I assure you they will be incredible. No one has risen to a challenge this difficult nor proved they could do it with the consistency I do.
Andy what you say here is so subjective; your idea of incredible may translate to a piece of crap to me...or not. But basically this is only based on your personal opinion and judgement!



Im sorry I haven't been able to provide final designs but to be honest with you I havent finished the Coil pack cover design on the computer, I do have a very good mental picture of how this will be finalized. This might not instill confidence in you guys, but it is exactly how I have finished many designs through out my career. I have verified many many many dimensions and clearances but I just haven't put pen to paper... er, mouse to clickin in this area. I assure you I probably have a more comprehensive cad model of the head and cams and all related hardware than anyone except for Toyota. If you need to see that I can send a screen dump of that if it will calm your nerves.

I have built several prototype Coil Pack relocation brackets, but I havent shared them for the sole reason that this usually limits design changes in the future, because, people see it one way and then complain when it dosent look exactly the way the prototype was. By not showing you the half a dozen preliminary ideas, keeps me from having to explain exactly why I had to change the design. I don't really want to be micro managed by customers that don't 100% understand why I had to make a change.

I do have other items on my plate and have resisted completing the Coil Pack cover for the sole reason that in my experience rushing a design like that only generates wasted time. Often times I decide on a final path once I see how the whole project stacks up in real life.
This is the biggest let down right here. I never ever asked for your sketches of your preliminary ideas believing based on your words that by now you've already came up with a final design and given it to your machinist like 2 months ago, as you said. That's what I would like to have a look at and then give my opinion but the most importand issue here, that I was not aware of is that we don't have a final design...!!! Don't forget that we all chimed in because we trusted you first of all, as non of us had or have a clue of what the final product would look like, hoping that when the crucial moment comes we'll be able to have a say on the product's design and wholeheartedly (I'm speaking for myself at least) we paid half the value in advance as a token of trust on your skills and professionalism.
Having taken downpayments and two months later not having finished even on the product's design is totally unprofessional and irresponsible though and I strongly believe that you have an obligation to put whatever other stuff you may have on your plate (I don't care what that may be, it is not my business) and prioritize this and move on with the completion of the design as at this point I think this is the least you can do for us (or even for me if the rest of the buyers don't share the same opinion).
And I don't think using the term "rushing" at this point is appropriate as nobody rushed you on anything here.


Trust me I wont stack some pile of junk on top of your beautiful Cam covers and tell you to hit the road. This is my reputation, and stopping short of perfection just before the finish line wont make anyone happy.
Again, we're talking about aesthetic factors here so it's totally subjective. I never doubted your capability of providing correctly functional products, if I had any doubts in the first place I wouldn't have participated on this buy, let alone being the very first to jump in and try to motivate others too.

[arz]

Andy what you say here is so subjective; your idea of incredible may translate to a piece of crap to me...or not. But basically this is only based on your personal opinion and judgement!
If that were the case I would think you woudnt have been first in line.



This is the biggest let down right here. I never ever asked for your sketches of your preliminary ideas believing based on your words that by now you've already came up with a final design and given it to your machinist like 2 months ago, as you said. That's what I would like to have a look at and then give my opinion but the most importand issue here, that I was not aware of is that we don't have a final design...!!! Don't forget that we all chimed in because we trusted you first of all, as non of us had or have a clue of what the final product would look like, hoping that when the crucial moment comes we'll be able to have a say on the product's design and wholeheartedly (I'm speaking for myself at least) we paid half the value in advance as a token of trust on your skills and professionalism.
Having taken downpayments and two months later not having finished even on the product's design is totally unprofessional and irresponsible though and I strongly believe that you have an obligation to put whatever other stuff you may have on your plate (I don't care what that may be, it is not my business) and prioritize this and move on with the completion of the design as at this point I think this is the least you can do for us (or even for me if the rest of the buyers don't share the same opinion).
And I don't think using the term "rushing" at this point is appropriate as nobody rushed you on anything here.
The only design that is not finished is the Coil Pack Covers. This is not a concern, since I designed all the structure that attaches to it and I will show you guys several ideas before we proceed.

You might want to re-read my post.

With all other designs I never ask for input or financing, because, people can either buy it or NOT. This is and was a unique design challenge and as such I solicited a financial commitment from perspective buyers for many reasons, 1, to weed out all the people that say they want it and 2, to make sure I had customers that wouldn't back out because they crashed their car or, couldn't make rent, or what ever reason they have. 3, This is a very costly endeavor, even when, material and machine time are excluded.

Your response right here and now is 100% of the reason other manufacturers don't go out on a limb like this and ask for help like this.

Back to the design:
Trust me I have thoroughly thought out all of the ramifications and design possibility's, and if you had you might be asking me other questions. Ones other than the near sighted "I WANNA SEE IT, I WANNA SEE IT" questions. The only reason I mention this is to prove to you that I wont leave you guys high and dry.

Did you think about the throttle cable, the Coil Pack wiring, the difference between FFIM and cross over routing?

I have all these issues and more covered, please don't deluge me with questions, it will be much easier for me to show you how I have them solved, WHEN I solve them than explain how I plan to do it and then try to re explain why I had to change the design.

I told you I would let you guys steer my design "somewhat", responses like yours make me consider less and less the groups ability to steer the design.

Design by committee almost never works and you are proving it here before you have even been given any responsibility.



Again, we're talking about aesthetic factors here so it's totally subjective. I never doubted your capability of providing correctly functional products, if I had any doubts in the first place I wouldn't have participated on this buy, let alone being the very first to jump in and try to motivate others too.
Your commitment to be the first on the list, is not lost on me, I greatly appreciate it.

I will give everyone a consideration when it comes to steering the design of the Coil Pack covers only.

The Cam Covers are set in stone and 100% finished. If I could guarantee the drawings would not proliferate I would gladly post them for all
to see. But all of your financial commitments have insured me to this point that you are all confident I can do the job and I assure you I have
and will finish it.

Again I don't want a deluge of PM's but you would have been better to PM me with these concerns and I could have set your mind at ease then in
private.

Instead your public out cry only reinforces the fact that YOU seem to be the only one with these concerns. So here I go wasting time
defending myself to one person that thinks I have wronged them while I could be accomplishing other tasks.

I have completed what I need to, to this point, when the time comes I will ask for your input on the Coil Pack covers.

If you didnt notice, 2 of the guys on this list are local, one of them has seen the designs on the computer. Dont you think if one of these guys
had any doubt they would be the first ones on here crying foul.

[yannis-supras]

If that were the case I would think you woudnt have been first in line.


The only design that is not finished is the Coil Pack Covers. This is not a concern, since I designed all the structure that attaches to it and I will show you guys several ideas before we proceed.

You might want to re-read my post.

With all other designs I never ask for input or financing, because, people can either buy it or NOT. This is and was a unique design challenge and as such I solicited a financial commitment from perspective buyers for many reasons, 1, to weed out all the people that say they want it and 2, to make sure I had customers that wouldn't back out because they crashed their car or, couldn't make rent, or what ever reason they have. 3, This is a very costly endeavor, even when, material and machine time are excluded.

Your response right here and now is 100% of the reason other manufacturers don't go out on a limb like this and ask for help like this.

Back to the design:
Trust me I have thoroughly thought out all of the ramifications and design possibility's, and if you had you might be asking me other questions. Ones other than the near sighted "I WANNA SEE IT, I WANNA SEE IT" questions. The only reason I mention this is to prove to you that I wont leave you guys high and dry.
You keep reffering to the fuctional part of the design, I'm only talking about aesthetics. I will say this once again; I never doubted your abilities and skills on providing a fully functional product, I don't know what other kind of token of trust you expect. I don't even care how the actual coilpack bracket will end up cause I really do trust you and I almost know that it will be fine. My only concern is about the center piece cover, I just wanna ensure that it will be ventilated (functionality issue too) and if I can influence so maybe have it look like something that would suit my taste too, since it's going in my car. Saying that, it goes without saying that if my taste or opinion is against to the rest of the buyers then it will remain just that; my personal subjective opinion and nothing more. And of course whatever you have in mind might look perfect to my eyes as well and that would be all good and sweet. But there's no way I can know that before you share with us what you plan on doing (reffering on your final design only, not your general, preliminary thoughts) which if you had done as you have said and when you have said we wouldn't be discussing over this right now.
Now to you this seems like an unreasonable demand, reaction whatever, when what I basically have done is ask for some kind of proof of progress for something that has taken much much longer than anticipated/promised without any hint of progress in the mean time. We're still at the point where you had one of the two valve covers half done. Nothing else, absolutely nothing. But it is unreasonable asking for you to show us the final design, even in paper!!!






Did you think about the throttle cable, the Coil Pack wiring, the difference between FFIM and cross over routing?
I have a Ron R FFIM that utilizes it's own throttle cable routing so to me that's totally irrelevant.
All my wiring and harnesses are and will be fully custom made so no concern there either.
When you say "difference between FFIM and cross over routing" I can not think of anything that the valve covers would influence. Can you please elaborate?






I have all these issues and more covered, please don't deluge me with questions, it will be much easier for me to show you how I have them solved, WHEN I solve them than explain how I plan to do it and then try to re explain why I had to change the design.
I nener, never asked you to explain me your rationale behind your design. Please don't try to make me look or sound like something that I haven't done or said. All I did ask was what you promised several months ago, assuming (mistakenly obviously) that by now you'd at least have finished designing the parts. Please don't use terms like "deluge" making me look and sound like a prat that all he does is slowing you down and pesters your holly mission. I believe I have been more than respectfull to you all along. Please keep it that way too!






I told you I would let you guys steer my design "somewhat", responses like yours make me consider less and less the groups ability to steer the design.
Design by committee almost never works and you are proving it here before you have even been given any responsibility.
What do you think my part of "steering" will be? As I said your design may suit my taste perfectly and all I'd end up saying would be a big WOW. Then again if I had a different opinion I would just let you know about it and if you'd determine that it's not feasible ot against the rest of the buyers taste then I'd just sit back and watch. You think I will try to enforce my own ideas on you? This is ridiculous.






Again I don't want a deluge of PM's but you would have been better to PM me with these concerns and I could have set your mind at ease then in
private.

Instead your public out cry only reinforces the fact that YOU seem to be the only one with these concerns. So here I go wasting time
defending myself to one person that thinks I have wronged them while I could be accomplishing other tasks.
I honestly believe that the provision of the final design models/sketches concerns everyone in this buy, this is the only reason I brought it up on the thread.
You call my completely justified request an out cry??? Your precious breath or shall I say fingertip muscular activity is gone to waste??? Of course you ought to defend yourself when you promise to provide a product on a certain timeframe and not only you don't but you just don't feel like filling anybody in about it. It is your obligation.
And when I dare ask about the progress on those things you say that "I" slow your progress down???? So what if it's just me that needs the reassurance? You ought to provide at least that!
I have been extra carefull and respectfull all the way on this so you should try and do the same. Up untill your last post you have done so but on this one you have changed to a sarcastic, moking manner which, trust me, is totally unnecassary. You have admitted previously that you indeed have promised certain things that you haven't fullfilled and agnowledged that it was your mistake but now all of a sudden you try to victimize yourself and make me the bitchy, idiotic customer that hassles you without reason.
You don't have to make this ugly, I for one have no such intentions and have been counting my words not to.






If you didnt notice, 2 of the guys on this list are local, one of them has seen the designs on the computer. Dont you think if one of these guys
had any doubt they would be the first ones on here crying foul.
So because 2 of the buyers live near you I should assume that one of them saw your computer designs? I'm not psychic, that was never mentioned, how am I suppose to know?
And why that person should have any more privileges than the rest of us and have the honour to see those computer designs?
And why should I give a damn about someone else's opinion over mine's? Oh I forgot; I don't have an opinion as I have not seen anything but one half finished valve cover yet!

[IJ.]

This is between Andy and his customers.

If you're not adding anything constructive please refrain from posting as it's not helping.

[arz]

Man I missed all the drama, thats what I get for Trick or Treating!!! LOL.

I will read your response tomorrow Yanni, Im too tired right now. Im off to bed.

[arz]

You keep reffering to the fuctional part of the design, I'm only talking about aesthetics. I will say this once again; I never doubted your abilities and skills on providing a fully functional product, I don't know what other kind of token of trust you expect. I don't even care how the actual coilpack bracket will end up cause I really do trust you and I almost know that it will be fine. My only concern is about the center piece cover, I just wanna ensure that it will be ventilated (functionality issue too) and if I can influence so maybe have it look like something that would suit my taste too, since it's going in my car. Saying that, it goes without saying that if my taste or opinion is against to the rest of the buyers then it will remain just that; my personal subjective opinion and nothing more. And of course whatever you have in mind might look perfect to my eyes as well and that would be all good and sweet. But there's no way I can know that before you share with us what you plan on doing (reffering on your final design only, not your general, preliminary thoughts) which if you had done as you have said and when you have said we wouldn't be discussing over this right now.
Now to you this seems like an unreasonable demand, reaction whatever, when what I basically have done is ask for some kind of proof of progress for something that has taken much much longer than anticipated/promised without any hint of progress in the mean time. We're still at the point where you had one of the two valve covers half done. Nothing else, absolutely nothing. But it is unreasonable asking for you to show us the final design, even in paper!!!OMG thats a lot of words to say I trust you but all we have to date, is images of one cover. The only proof I can offer is cad images, there isnt an incremental amount of progress to be shown. The one you have seen went from a solid chunk to what you see in about 2 hours time, because we were threshing out all the bugs and trying not to destroy anything.



I have a Ron R FFIM that utilizes it's own throttle cable routing so to me that's totally irrelevant.
All my wiring and harnesses are and will be fully custom made so no concern there either.
When you say "difference between FFIM and cross over routing" I can not think of anything that the valve covers would influence. Can you please elaborate?Its totally irrelevant to YOU, not to everyone else. I am planning on providing instructions on how to extend your harness to account for the relocation of the coil packs. This dosent affect the Cam covers it affects the Coil pack cover because the cross over tube passes right thru it. I have to design for everybody's different configurations.





I never, never asked you to explain me your rationale behind your design. Please don't try to make me look or sound like something that I haven't done or said. All I did ask was what you promised several months ago, assuming (mistakenly obviously) that by now you'd at least have finished designing the parts. Please don't use terms like "deluge" making me look and sound like a prat that all he does is slowing you down and pesters your holly mission. I believe I have been more than respectfull to you all along. Please keep it that way too!A PM would have gotten you allot further than all these words. The deluge I was referring to would be from a bunch of people, (A flood) not one person. My mission is not holy and I dont deserve saint hood, but this is a waste of time doing this back an forth thing. Nobody else seems to be joining in.

You call this respectful? Let me remind you this was your first post.

Still nothing???
I hate to be the bitchy one but is this going to be an infinate patience project? There's no single time target you set that we just simply failed to meet. I partially understand the practical side of the thing but why can we not have a single sample of the actual design of the damn things? That's supposedly entirely up to you. You said these would be ready by SILV and almost a month down we still don't know what's happening with these.




I honestly believe that the provision of the final design models/sketches concerns everyone in this buy, this is the only reason I brought it up on the thread.
You call my completely justified request an out cry??? Your precious breath or shall I say fingertip muscular activity is gone to waste??? Of course you ought to defend yourself when you promise to provide a product on a certain timeframe and not only you don't but you just don't feel like filling anybody in about it. It is your obligation.
And when I dare ask about the progress on those things you say that "I" slow your progress down???? So what if it's just me that needs the reassurance? You ought to provide at least that!
I have been extra carefull and respectfull all the way on this so you should try and do the same. Up untill your last post you have done so but on this one you have changed to a sarcastic, moking manner which, trust me, is totally unnecassary. You have admitted previously that you indeed have promised certain things that you haven't fullfilled and agnowledged that it was your mistake but now all of a sudden you try to victimize yourself and make me the bitchy, idiotic customer that hassles you without reason.
You don't have to make this ugly, I for one have no such intentions and have been counting my words not to.The only thing I had agreed to let the group steer is the design of the Coil pack covers, and this is something you havent even paid for, then you explode with

....I was not aware of is that we don't have a final design...!!! Don't forget that we all chimed in because we trusted you....This is a waste of my fingertip muscular activity, and I am not the victim but you could have gone about this in an entirely different way.

I am not the one making this ugly, let me remind you again your first post right here (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=806228&postcount=293) set the tone.




So because 2 of the buyers live near you I should assume that one of them saw your computer designs? I'm not psychic, that was never mentioned, how am I suppose to know?
And why that person should have any more privileges than the rest of us and have the honour to see those computer designs?
And why should I give a damn about someone else's opinion over mine's? Oh I forgot; I don't have an opinion as I have not seen anything but one half finished valve cover yet!I guess I cant assume that you couldnt have known that one of these guys have seen the design. My mistake. The only thing that affords them this privilege is the fact that they can stand in front of the computer and view it. I just haven't gotten around to posting images of the items.

Chances are I could have posted them in the time it has taken me to pen these responses, but I have been wasting time responding to these posts.

I will do my best to post or send images of these covers by the end of the weekend. I still have not finished the Coil pack cover design and I will ask for your (everybodys) opinions when Im ready for it.

Im sorry for the delay, but it is out of my hands at this point. I have done everything I can, now it is just a waiting game to get the Cam Covers machined.

[GrimJack]

Considering that these will probably sit in my garage for a while before I install them, (I still have a catch can that I got this spring waiting to go in) I'm not worried.

I *am* still rather eager to see the rest of the system, but I'll live. :)

[jdub]

I'd like to see them too, but I have bigger fish to fry at the moment ;)
No problem here.

[upgradedsupra]

I'd like to see them too, but I have bigger fish to fry at the moment ;)
No problem here.

x2

[arz]

I will send you guys more images via email but these should give you an idea of what both sides look like. There are ideas that I dont want to share with everybody until I release them.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/7m_cam_cover_06 TOP ISO_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/7m_cam_cover_06 TOP ISO LEFT_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/7m_cam_cover_06 BOTTOM ISO_resize.jpg

Sorry but I dont have anything but virtual images yet and no new news on an ETA.

[upgradedsupra]

Great work :)

I may have asked but the holes for the valve cover bolts are counter bored correct?

Duane

[arz]

Thats correct, I plan on using button head, socket head cap screws, they will be supplied. I will post details on how they stack up later.

[Supraholics]

WOW - that's something worth waiting for...

[Fahaka]

wow Andy you modeled the coil packs too...that's bitchin...I know the cam covers were hard to do but it looks as if there is almost as much work on the coil pack relocation. Mega Kudos.

[927mgtepat]

Nice work, What CAD Program did you use? I drew up my set of CNC valve covers in Inventor. Mine are designed to hold the 1JZ coils.

[arz]

Nice work, What CAD Program did you use?
Solidworks.

[Doward]

Looks awesome, and I know I'm not in on this, but I'd like to ask - are these including a new coil pack harness?

[arz]

Looks awesome, and I know I'm not in on this, but I'd like to ask - are these including a new coil pack harness?
No but I will include detailed instruction on how to modify it to make it work with the factory Coil packs, it is a very simple change. If there is any interest in a harness I will offer that as an option, but it wont be included. Sorry.

[Red '88T]

No but I will include detailed instruction on how to modify it to make it work with the factory Coil packs, it is a very simple change. If there is any interest in a harness I will offer that as an option, but it wont be included. Sorry.
Andy,
If a harness becomes an option, I will buy it.
Jason

[suprarcr89]

how many extra will you have once these are complete....

[arz]

Im not sure yet, I have several people outside of SM that have expressed serious interest. We will have to see. Subscribe to this thread and as soon as you see that I have ANY progress you might want to jump on them right away.

[MK3_300]

How close do you think we are to seeing a fully finished product?

[arz]

I don't want to jinx it but Im going to talk to the machinist tonight. Cross your fingers for us.

Again Im very sorry for the wait, I really appreciate the patients all of you guys have shown.

Im sorry there just isnt any incremental progress to show on these, it will be an all or nothing type of progress.

[arz]

Still I dont wanna jinx it, so Im not saying anything.

I wanna give the elves a chance.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3878_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3881_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3882_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3885_resize.JPG

[IJ.]

^ Was wondering at how the fixtures/jigs were going to be done :)
(gotta love anglocks)

[Enraged]

nice chips! :) i miss doing that sortof thing.

valvecovers look great, can't wait to see more progress!

[jdub]

Looking good Andy!

[arz]

Thanks Jdub

Look what the elves did last night.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3887_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3889 (1)_resize.jpg


nice chips! i miss doing that sortof thing.No you dont theres almost 30 different tools in this job, this job sucks.:biglaugh:

[j3pz]

wow those are impressive looking

[arz]

Checkit

http://www.dirtballforum.com/vids/Ccover.jpg

[MK3_300]

SWEET!!!! Looks amazing!:bigthumb:

[Turbo Skegget]

Looks really good! Makes me almost regreting going JZ.

[marc3]

wow, those are amazing!!! damn , that is some incredible work!!!!!

[Enraged]

No you dont theres almost 30 different tools in this job, this job sucks.:biglaugh:

:biglaugh: I built a 3'x5'x10' CNC router for my final project at school, over 50 CNC cut aluminum parts. probably the best time ive ever had at school, even though it was the most stressful 3 months (concept, design, parts cut, built, and accurate to 1/64" in 3 months).

these parts are beautiful. what machine are they done on? we had a Haas VF3 at school that we did most of our parts on.

[arz]

... probably the best time ive ever had at school, even though it was the most stressful 3 months ...

these parts are beautiful. what machine are they done on? we had a Haas VF3 at school that we did most of our parts on.Thats the sucky part, its so stressful.

As a matter of fact these are done on a Haas VF3SSYT (SS=high speed, YT=extended Y travel) and VF4SS. Yea they are great machines.

[upgradedsupra]

looking good :) I finally checked the side fitting off the valve cover and I have a -16 so you know. The top of valve covers are -8. Let me know when you need anything.


They are an ok machine for what they are price wise.
Our shop just bought a new cell H-Plus300 Matsuura ! Freaking FAST machine! It holds 34 pallets! :naughty: We also have a Matsuura MAM-500HG Horizontal (which holds 11 pallets), 2 verts, 2 lathe's and a Brown & Sharpe One-CMM . One other but can't remember the other specs.

Duane

[tookwik4u89]

DAMN those are nice Andy!! I can't wait to see a set of these in a bling engine bay!

[arz]

DAMN those are nice Andy!! I can't wait to see a set of these in a bling engine bay!Me to!!!

Duane looks like your going to need to buy new fittings. You were probably going to have to anyways. The top ones are -10's and the side one is a -12, the good thing is that the "-12 o-ring port to -16 AN" adapter is a perfect fit and has almost no reduction in diameter where it goes thru the -12 diameter and its all bigger than the original parts. Also the -8 where it goes thru the AN fitting has a lot of material and can be drilled out to almost the same ID as a -10.

If you guys have any problems finding the correct fittings just let me know and I will find the ones that fit.

[upgradedsupra]

Me to!!!

Duane looks like your going to need to buy new fittings. You were probably going to have to anyways. The top ones are -10's and the side one is a -12, the good thing is that the "-12 o-ring port to -16 AN" adapter is a perfect fit and has almost no reduction in diameter where it goes thru the -12 diameter and its all bigger than the original parts. Also the -8 where it goes thru the AN fitting has a lot of material and can be drilled out to almost the same ID as a -10.

If you guys have any problems finding the correct fittings just let me know and I will find the ones that fit.

Andy, I just bought new fittings and spend hours in putting them together so I wouldn't have a single scratch on them. What I'm saying is that "I" have -8 for the top valve cover and is what I want. As for the -16 (side valve cover), I already bought new fittings awaiting the valve cover completion ;)

This is what I was telling you before.

Duane

[arz]

Andy, I just bought new fittings and spend hours in putting them together so I wouldn't have a single scratch on them. What I'm saying is that "I" have -8 for the top valve cover and is what I want. As for the -16 (side valve cover), I already bought new fittings awaiting the valve cover completion ;)

This is what I was telling you before.

DuaneOK Im not sure you understand what Im saying. What Im saying is the 2 PCV ports in the top of the Cam Covers are -10 o-ring ports and the side (Crank case ventilation) one is a -12 o-ring port. I thought I was very clear about this earlier to all. If I wasn't please let me know. It really doesn't matter to me what size you adapt the rest of your plumbing to. Im not taping a special custom size in each Cam Cover for each customer.

Look closely thru the posts and you will see I have provided catalog pages and part numbers that will adapt to what you need.

[arz]

We are still waiting on a custom ground port tool for the -12 side port, and for the final Oil Cap adapters to be finished, but heres a few photos.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3892_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3893_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3894_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3895_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3896_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3897_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3898_resize.JPG

[upgradedsupra]

OK Im not sure you understand what Im saying. What Im saying is the 2 PCV ports in the top of the Cam Covers are -10 o-ring ports and the side (Crank case ventilation) one is a -12 o-ring port. I thought I was very clear about this earlier to all. If I wasn't please let me know. It really doesn't matter to me what size you adapt the rest of your plumbing to. Im not taping a special custom size in each Cam Cover for each customer.

Look closely thru the posts and you will see I have provided catalog pages and part numbers that will adapt to what you need.


I too spoke with you on the phone in saying that I thought my fittings were -8 top covers and -16 for the side. I did also mention that it was tapped in the OEM valve cover. I also asked you if it would be tall enough since this fitting is large. I made you aware of this from the beginning.
I already have it on my car and am not about to spend another bunch of money on fittings. (I just bought all new fittings to make it look nice again/non returnable) The size I have is what I want. If you can't do this then let me know.

Andy,I don't need to look at your posts since I spoke to you on the phone. You assured me that the parts will work. (I hope you remember) Again, the part I spoke to you about was the material next to the oil cap and whether it would accommodate the fitting I have.


Duane

[arz]

I too spoke with you on the phone in saying that I thought my fittings were -8 top covers and -16 for the side.Thats exactly correct, you said you "THOUGHT".... What do you want me to do with that, tell my CNC guy I "THINK" its a -16....


I did also mention that it was tapped in the OEM valve cover. I asked you what thread you "tapped" into the stock cover and you never replied until a few days ago.


I also asked you if it would be tall enough since this fitting is large. I made you aware of this from the beginning.You made me aware of nothing because you never told me and you still haven't told me what thread you used to tap your Cam cover.


I already have it on my car and am not about to spend another bunch of money on fittings. (I just bought all new fittings to make it look nice again/non returnable) The size I have is what I want. If you can't do this then let me know.

Andy,I don't need to look at your posts since I spoke to you on the phone. You assured me that the parts will work. (I hope you remember) Again, the part I spoke to you about was the material next to the oil cap and whether it would accommodate the fitting I have.


DuaneYou really are going to feel silly when you see the parts Im suggesting. PLEASE LOOK AT THE LINK.

Edit 9:45 pm^^^


Yes you told me "you would have to find out." I told you "You can buy the proper part to fit in the Cam Covers to fit any size you need."

The I described to all of my customers clearly EXACTLY what parts they would need to attach to the cam covers in this post.

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=764784&postcount=253

Now that you see finished parts you fire me a post and say "OH yea their -16 and -8, sorry for the delay."

1. Do you really expect me to make any of these CUSTOM? You are a Machinist, the port tool is in the middle of the OP's what if yours is the one I break a tool on, then what do I do. I never promised to make you custom parts.

2. If I was going to make custom parts, I had asked for that data months ago. Since I didn't contact you, you can assume I didn't need your data.

3. Look at the parts I am suggesting, they are not attached with NPT threads and Teflon tape, these are way cleaner than the NPT/AN adapters and their not that expensive. Look in here and rear the link for the correct pages. http://www.xrp.com/XRPCatalog.pdf

[upgradedsupra]

I'll skip most of the post since it doesn't matter. I spoke to you by phone and I was told what I had mentioned.

I can not open this link? Cleaner is a matter of opinion really.

Edit: My -16 id what I want anyway. This ID will be reduced going with a -12 which is not what I wanted nor want. How does this help me?

Duane

[arz]

In this case, there is NO question, my way IS cleaner than NPT threads.

Everybody please chime in if you cant open the catalog.

Load Adobe reader and you wont have any problem seeing the link.

Look at 980014.

The nominal inside diameter of a -16 is .844 inches, the -12 port side, inside diameter of a 980014, is .77 inches inside diameter, the minor diameter of a 1-1/16 thread (the -12 thread size) is about .966 that leaves you more than .060 on each side to drill the inside diameter out.

Tell you what:
Since none of the Cam Covers have been drilled out for the side port (the Crank Case ventilation port) I can send yours un-tapped and you can tap it to your desired size, if you like. Will that work for you?

I designed the Cam Covers to fit with the parts I specified, I wont make custom Cam Covers.

[arz]

By the way everybody, Im not just picking parts out of a catalog and hoping they fit, I have purchased each of the following part numbers we used a one time port tool that cuts the minor diameter and the o-ring land and the entire shebang all in one shot and they install perfectly. This is way cleaner than NPT threads.

980081 -8AN to -10 port
980010 -10AN to -10 port
980012 -12AN to -12 port
980014 -16AN to -12 port

If you purchase any one of these parts you will have no problems with your plumbing.

[bloodasp90]

now im just waiting till you come out with the 1JZ verson, simply beautiful..

[upgradedsupra]

In this case, there is NO question, my way IS cleaner than NPT threads.

Everybody please chime in if you cant open the catalog.

Load Adobe reader and you wont have any problem seeing the link.

Look at 980014.

The nominal inside diameter of a -16 is .844 inches, the -12 port side, inside diameter of a 980014, is .77 inches inside diameter, the minor diameter of a 1-1/16 thread (the -12 thread size) is about .966 that leaves you more than .060 on each side to drill the inside diameter out.

Tell you what:
Since none of the Cam Covers have been drilled out for the side port (the Crank Case ventilation port) I can send yours un-tapped and you can tap it to your desired size, if you like. Will that work for you?

I designed the Cam Covers to fit with the parts I specified, I wont make custom Cam Covers.

Yes that would be fine for the top Andy. As far as the side, I just need to know if you have enough material in that section to tap to a -16 as the OEM cover is very very thin when I tapped it.

Drop me your number again since I lost it as I have a new phone. (same number) I will make sure I understand you before shipping anything.

Thanks
Duane

[arz]

look closely at this photo. Notice, that flat area where the -12 AN fitting goes, that area is 1.625 fore and aft 1.4375 in the Z and .54 in depth to the Oil cap fitting. I personally dont think there is enough depth on the material for you to do what you need. Also you still havent told me what thread you plan on using or even what type of fitting you plan on using.

In all of these back and forth posts you still have yet to answer one question.

1. Did you see the parts that I am talking about in the XRP catalog?
2. Do you know what you need to purchase for the top?


I just need to know if you have enough material in that section to tap to a -16 as the OEM cover is very very thin when I tapped it.If you mean 1-5/16-12 UNJ then NO I dont think so. If you have 1.4375 in the Z and the tap is 1.3125 (1-5/16th) that will leave .0625 on either side of the tap. I am 100% sure Aeroquip makes the exact part that will install perfectly. Why would you even consider risking something going wrong.

My phone number is 480 861 0586, its all over my website, so I didnt think it was hard to find.
1. Click on my "arz" right above the avatar,
2. Click on "Visit arz's homepage!" and Viola my number is right on the front page.


http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3895_resize.JPG

I dont know why I spend so much time trying to convince you Im right. Since I modeled the AN fittings I figured it would be easy enough to detail it and show you exactly what you are going to get. Just buy the XRP fitting and have it anodized blue or red. This is modeled as accurately as possible notice the nice taper and the radiused exit. The actual military spec specifies .844 as the inside diameter of a -16 fitting so chances are your 90 deg push lock elbow will have a max ID of .844 take this fitting and drill it out to .844 and you will have the best of all worlds.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/xrp_980014_00_DWG_resize.jpg

One more word of warning, as it stands right NOW I have not given a stop order to keep your Cam cover from being machined for this -12 port.

Now you have more information on this part than any other customer has asked for and I have spent at least 4 hours, on your questions alone. Why I have wasted so much of my time trying to convince you to do it my way is beyond me.

Im telling you once again, MY WAY IS BETTER CLEANER and SIMPLER.

[upgradedsupra]

look closely at this photo. Notice, that flat area where the -12 AN fitting goes, that area is 1.625 fore and aft 1.4375 in the Z and .54 in depth to the Oil cap fitting. I personally dont think there is enough depth on the material for you to do what you need. Also you still havent told me what thread you plan on using or even what type of fitting you plan on using.

In all of these back and forth posts you still have yet to answer one question.

1. Did you see the parts that I am talking about in the XRP catalog?
2. Do you know what you need to purchase for the top?

If you mean 1-5/16-12 UNJ then NO I dont think so. If you have 1.4375 in the Z and the tap is 1.3125 (1-5/16th) that will leave .0625 on either side of the tap. I am 100% sure Aeroquip makes the exact part that will install perfectly. Why would you even consider risking something going wrong.

My phone number is 480 861 0586, its all over my website, so I didnt think it was hard to find.
1. Click on my "arz" right above the avatar,
2. Click on "Visit arz's homepage!" and Viola my number is right on the front page.


http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3895_resize.JPG

I dont know why I spend so much time trying to convince you Im right. Since I modeled the AN fittings I figured it would be easy enough to detail it and show you exactly what you are going to get. Just buy the XRP fitting and have it anodized blue or red. This is modeled as accurately as possible notice the nice taper and the radiused exit. The actual military spec specifies .844 as the inside diameter of a -16 fitting so chances are your 90 deg push lock elbow will have a max ID of .844 take this fitting and drill it out to .844 and you will have the best of all worlds.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/xrp_980014_00_DWG_resize.jpg

One more word of warning, as it stands right NOW I have not given a stop order to keep your Cam cover from being machined for this -12 port.

Now you have more information on this part than any other customer has asked for and I have spent at least 4 hours, on your questions alone. Why I have wasted so much of my time trying to convince you to do it my way is beyond me.

Im telling you once again, MY WAY IS BETTER CLEANER and SIMPLER.

Andy,

I don't have time to go searching "all over the net". I have a life outside this board ;) I figured it would be easy to ask.
Nice chatting on the phone and glad we could works things out :)
Duane

[jt2ma71]

Duane, if I were you, I will get the cover with the -12 thread on the side. Get the -12 port to -16 an fitting and it seals better than npt. These cam covers in my opinion, come with all the right stuff already done.
~Ron

[927mgtepat]

Are you making any more after this run?

[upgradedsupra]

Duane, if I were you, I will get the cover with the -12 thread on the side. Get the -12 port to -16 an fitting and it seals better than npt. These cam covers in my opinion, come with all the right stuff already done.
~Ron

Thanks Ron. We spoke on the phone and that is what i will do.

Thanks for the input :)
Duane

[MK3_300]

look closely at this photo. Notice, that flat area where the -12 AN fitting goes, that area is 1.625 fore and aft 1.4375 in the Z and .54 in depth to the Oil cap fitting. I personally dont think there is enough depth on the material for you to do what you need. Also you still havent told me what thread you plan on using or even what type of fitting you plan on using.

In all of these back and forth posts you still have yet to answer one question.

1. Did you see the parts that I am talking about in the XRP catalog?
2. Do you know what you need to purchase for the top?

If you mean 1-5/16-12 UNJ then NO I dont think so. If you have 1.4375 in the Z and the tap is 1.3125 (1-5/16th) that will leave .0625 on either side of the tap. I am 100% sure Aeroquip makes the exact part that will install perfectly. Why would you even consider risking something going wrong.

My phone number is 480 861 0586, its all over my website, so I didnt think it was hard to find.
1. Click on my "arz" right above the avatar,
2. Click on "Visit arz's homepage!" and Viola my number is right on the front page.


http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3895_resize.JPG

I dont know why I spend so much time trying to convince you Im right. Since I modeled the AN fittings I figured it would be easy enough to detail it and show you exactly what you are going to get. Just buy the XRP fitting and have it anodized blue or red. This is modeled as accurately as possible notice the nice taper and the radiused exit. The actual military spec specifies .844 as the inside diameter of a -16 fitting so chances are your 90 deg push lock elbow will have a max ID of .844 take this fitting and drill it out to .844 and you will have the best of all worlds.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/xrp_980014_00_DWG_resize.jpg

One more word of warning, as it stands right NOW I have not given a stop order to keep your Cam cover from being machined for this -12 port.

Now you have more information on this part than any other customer has asked for and I have spent at least 4 hours, on your questions alone. Why I have wasted so much of my time trying to convince you to do it my way is beyond me.

Im telling you once again, MY WAY IS BETTER CLEANER and SIMPLER.

That pic looks great! Any prototypes of the center cover yet?

[Zumtizzle]

Beautiful.

[blkt72]

What could you do on a set of these, 6 pot fronts and a rear kit delivered to 45429 that will paid for via a Postal MO, not paypal? I like Christmas bonuses.

[arz]

^^^Check your PM's ^^^


That pic looks great! Any prototypes of the center cover yet?
Sorry, Not yet, but soon.

[blkt72]

^^^Check your PM's ^^^


Sorry, Not yet, but soon.

Did and I like what you were able to do. I'll take the lot as we discussed. Thanks Andy!

[arz]

Any prototypes of the center cover yet?Hows this for you?!?!?

Ok everyone, I need to know how many of you would like a Valley cover, heres what it looks like. The Factory Coilpacks mount in between the Cam Covers.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/7m_valley cover_01_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/7m_valley cover_02_resize.jpg

I Dont want to tease too bad but the Cam Covers are done. I am just waiting for some specialty fasteners and the proper packaging materials to show up.

Here are a few photos of all of the assemblies

Heres just the Cam Covers
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3331_resize.JPG

Heres the oil cap bung, it gets an O-ring not shown in the groove.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3332_resize.JPG

Then you clock it as desired to match your cap. Also shown are the AN fittings installed.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3333_resize.JPG

Here are some prototype Coilpack relocation parts. Final ones will be a little different but you get the idea.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3334_resize.JPG

Here they are installed in the valley.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3335_resize.JPG

Here you get an idea of how much they stick above the Cam covers.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3336_resize.JPG

I really hope you all like my designs. I am working feverishly to get the parts ready to ship and the center Valley cover prototyped so you can see it in aluminum as soon as possible.

[Justin727]

WOW! I'm really speechless man just WOW

[upgradedsupra]

WOW! I'm really speechless man just WOW

Obviously you're not "speechless" since you said something :icon_razz

[buckshotglass]

Looking good Andy.:)

[upgradedsupra]

Looking good Andy.:)

I see no pic of Andy? :sarcasm:

[SevenMKIII]

Speechless, for those who are picking hairs :sarcasm:

[supra90mkiii]

....so nice.... I suppose that valley cover won't fit if you aren't running a ffim?

[GrimJack]

Nice. Sign me up for the coilpack - I mean, in for a penny in for a pound, right? Why would we stop here?

[GrimJack]

....so nice.... I suppose that valley cover won't fit if you aren't running a ffim?Oh hell... :(

[arz]

....so nice.... I suppose that valley cover won't fit if you aren't running a ffim?No if you are FFIM I will split that part in 2 and give you a template for you to trim the edge if you have a 2.5", 2.75", or 3.0" diameter crossover tube.

I myself have a 3.0" crossover tube. Stock Intake plumbing will look nice also, dont worry.

I have a mind to offer 2 separate covers one for the FFIM like you see and one for stock crossover type, which will be 2 piece. Those will have to be custom because everyone has a different design for their crossover tube. Some have just an aluminum tube like me and some have a modified 3000 tube and some have an HKS 3000 tube. Everyone has something different.

[Kristian_Wraae]

This is outstanding workmanship.

The only thing that have anoyed me about not going 2JZ was that I couldn't have that clean look of the 2JZ. Now it's available to the 7M guys.

I can't wait :naughty:

[IJ.]

Andy: Very nice :)

[Mk3runner]

nice nice, loving the cam covers...

[GrimJack]

Oh hell... :(lol - I should have KNOWN you'd have that covered. Pardon the pun...

[7Mboost]

Arz those cam covers are amazing! What coil packs are used in the latest upadate from 1-2-08 on the first post?

[arz]

Andy: Very nice :)
Thanks IJ that means allot coming form you.


Arz those cam covers are amazing! What coil packs are used in the latest upadate from 1-2-08 on the first post?Thanks for the compliments.

Those are FACTORY 7MGTE Coilpacks, you remove them from the stock coilpack bracket and you fasten them to my Coilpack relocation kit modify your factory harness slightly, and install my new Center Cover. Your existing spark plug wires will work perfectly.

[suprarcr89]

man these are getting better and better... what will be the price in the future for the whole setup... valve covers, coilpack relocation kit, and center cover

[Supraholics]

WOW, just WOW.....

I can see all the Honda ricers going...hey nice 2JZ :biglaugh:

[arz]

man these are getting better and better... what will be the price in the future for the whole setup... valve covers, coilpack relocation kit, and center coverIm not sure yet. I still dont have a final price on all the other pieces.

[SupraN/Asty]

Love the clean look. Also Great job with the machine work. Great stuff

[emission]

Will I be able to buy when it's done? I didn't see GB for this.

[arz]

Will I be able to buy when it's done? I didn't see GB for this.^^^Check your PM's^^^

[Justin727]

Obviously you're not "speechless" since you said something :icon_razz
i know :( cant believe i missed out on this offer :( maybe someone will sell theirs and I can be lucky enuff to buy them

[arz]

i know :( cant believe i missed out on this offer :( maybe someone will sell theirs and I can be lucky enuff to buy them^^^Check your PM's^^^

I do have a few extra but they aren't $595, they are going to be $695. I am loosing my butt on these and they really are very complicated and were a ton more work than I anticipated.

If anyone else is interested, you better PM me quick.

[7Mboost]

Arz, do those coil pack relocation pieces fit the stock cam cover?

[MKivSupra_Rob]

Is this a 1 time thing? Or are you going to do a future group buy/Sell them in the future?

Also are any of the centre covers made? I wanna see a pic!

[arz]

Arz, do those coil pack relocation pieces fit the stock cam cover?No but stay tuned.... Other cool parts will fall out of this deal.

Have you been snooping around my shop????:naughty:


Is this a 1 time thing? Or are you going to do a future group buy/Sell them in the future?
Im not sure, I really thought this would be one time thing, it really was costly in time and resources. We will have to see.


Also are any of the centre covers made? I wanna see a pic!I was at my machinists all weekend, I cant believe I forgot a camera. Maybe he will send me some top secret shots tomorrow. The silly thing is everything I have made looks EXACTLY like the cad models only in aluminum, it even surprises me every time we open the CNC doors and spray the coolant off. It looks EXACTLY like what I thought it would. LOL.

[arz]

Also are any of the centre covers made? I wanna see a pic!How's this, they are prototype but you get the idea I will post more when I get them.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/cid_image001_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/cid_image002_resize.jpg

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/cid_image003_resize.jpg

[Doward]

[steve irwin]GORGEOUS![/steve irwin]

[Supraholics]

holy shit!!!!!!!! I would like one of those coil cover. It should fit a 1JZ fine right?

[buckshotglass]

Why would anyone go 1J? J/K:)

Andy, will it rest on (and scratch) my covers, or does it float?

[Kristian_Wraae]

Aluminum prices will be going up after this GB.....

That's sick :aigo:

[arz]

Andy, will it rest on (and scratch) my covers, or does it float? It floats .1 inches or 2.5mm above the Cam covers. Its fastened to the Coilpack relocation brackets in the valley.

I just got back from my machinist's, remember this is prototype and theres a few mistakes and the part floats, the blue tape is just to keep from scratching it.
But what do you think of this?
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/100_0368_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/100_0369_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/100_0373_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/100_0370_resize.JPG

[upgradedsupra]

Great idea Andy. :icon_bigg I love those little Kurt vices.

[arz]

Great idea Andy. :icon_bigg I love those little Kurt vices.Little? they are 6 x 8, I have never really seen bigger ones but then again all the work I have seen done is about this size.

[upgradedsupra]

Little? they are 6 x 8, I have never really seen bigger ones but then again all the work I have seen done is about this size.

LOL

Whom ever has this set-up and has a FFIM they will get everyone thinking they have a 2J! :biglaugh: It'll be like, 2JZ, no shit! :icon_razz
Duane

[JustAnotherVictim]

That is some hot shit Andy.

[noah89t]

beautilul.

[speed]

omg i want a 7M again just for this set of valve covers. If you ever make something similar for the 1j, let me know.

[arz]

I am considering the 1J and 2J next. Keep an eye out here in my vendor forum.

[jdub]

These (cam covers AND coil pack cover) look very nice Andy. Well done!

[Supraholics]

I am considering the 1J and 2J next. Keep an eye out here in my vendor forum.

I will!!!

[Justin]

What're the chances something like this will be avaliable down the road? like, year or two.

[upgradedsupra]

What're the chances something like this will be avaliable down the road? like, year or two.


You go with a different engine?

[Justin]

You go with a different engine?

No, I'm still on the 7M (doubt I'll ever change *shrug*), but I quit the job that made a reasonable amount of money and went back to school... Now I'm in that college kid boat :)

[upgradedsupra]

No, I'm still on the 7M (doubt I'll ever change *shrug*), but I quit the job that made a reasonable amount of money and went back to school... Now I'm in that college kid boat :)

Oh cool. Ask ARZ about availability on the valves covers.

Duane

[thechori]

AWESOME work dude! i wish i was baller status to pick this up..

[MKivSupra_Rob]

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/100_0373_resize.JPG



whoa... wow this is EXACTLY what the 7m needs!!!!

[arz]

Oh cool. Ask ARZ about availability on the valves covers.

DuaneI do have a few extras, but I cant say how long they will last, your guess is as good as mine.

Hey guys the whole reason I am not shipping yet, is I can put the center cover in the same box, if you are not getting a center cover, please let me know and I can get you a shipping quote and ship as soon as the Coil Pack Relocation kits are done. Thats the other reason, they are not shipping, so if your a customer that doesn't want The Coil Pack Relocation kit or the Center cover please let me know and I will get you a final quote and ship first thing next week.

[empera]

wow that is amazing...so how much for everything? can i get ur some covers done for your 260z? for a discount? lol

[arz]

wow that is amazing...so how much for everything?I have posted many times that I don't have exact prices on the Coil Pack Relocation kit or the Center Cover.


can i get ur some covers done for your 260z? for a discount? lolI know you are joking, but I cant tell what you are asking. Its a 240 Z and, Yes if there are any left I will put a pair on my Z.

[empera]

sorry i skimmed really quick and didnt see a price reason why i asked.

Yea, i always get confused between the 240z, 260z and the 280z...

[arz]

sorry i skimmed really quick and didnt see a price reason why i asked.

Yea, i always get confused between the 240z, 260z and the 280z...

In the US
240 Z's (1969-1973) All skinny bumpers
260 Z's (1974 only Early and Lates look different) Early Skinny bumpers, late Fat bumpers, 260's continued in other country's beyond 1974 I suspect because of displacement tariff's.
280 Z's (1975 to 1978, 75-76 were stronger due to a better flowing head) All fat bumpers 75-76 rounded 77-78 more of a square shape to the bumper.
280 ZX 79-83 completely different chassis, with the same L28 bottom end but different pistons and small changes. Almost all these years had 100% interchangeable drivetrains.

A little Z history for you guys.:icon_bigg

[arz]

Sorry Empera I just looked and it wasn't easy to find. Also Dave pointed out that he didnt see the price of the other stuff either, so I will post it again. Maybe its the fact that I have replied to so many PM's.

Cam Covers are $695
Coil Pack Relocation Kit (CPRK) $75
Center Cover $225 With ribbs and $285 for polished without the machined ribs.

Again if you are not getting the CPR or the Center cover let me know and I will fire you a final quote and ship next week. Dwane you dont count, your special :evildeal: Im still working on it.

[Kristian_Wraae]

will you be posting a picture of the center cover without the ribs?

I have a little trouble deciding.

[buckshotglass]

Cam Covers are $695
Coil Pack Relocation Kit (CPR Kit) Estimated $60-80
Center Cover (Estimated $150 to 200 and more for polished without the machined ribs) not sure yet haven't been to polisher.


You should put that at the top of the first page, and something saying that the group buy price is over. Might simplify your life a little.:)

Thanks again Andy. I will look for mine this week.:)

[arz]

will you be posting a picture of the center cover without the ribs?

I have a little trouble deciding.Yea as soon as I have one. I have the material all cut, but I have to pick out the best pieces and send them to the polisher before they get the vents and the pocket on the underside.

Dave,
I will fire you a final quote soon.

[upgradedsupra]

Sorry Empera I just looked and it wasn't easy to find. Also Dave pointed out that he didnt see the price of the other stuff either, so I will post it again. Maybe its the fact that I have replied to so many PM's.

Cam Covers are $695
Coil Pack Relocation Kit (CPR Kit) Estimated $60-80
Center Cover (Estimated $150 to 200 and more for polished without the machined ribs) not sure yet haven't been to polisher.

Again if you are not getting the CPR or the Center cover let me know and I will fire you a final quote and ship next week. Dwane you dont count, your special :evildeal: Im still working on it.

No problem Andy. :)

Duane

[7Mboost]

Will the re;ocation and coil pack cover fit stock cam covers? Sorry if its been anwsered I'm a but confused.

[arz]

Will the re;ocation and coil pack cover fit stock cam covers? Sorry if its been anwsered I'm a but confused. I have looked into that and it might be a possibility but I need to finish all the commitments I have right now.

[cheverlot]

how much for the compleate setup? it would be nice if i could find a ffim that looked that great I want that setup.

[arz]

Ok guys its step by step. I just got back from my machinist's Looks like the Coil Pack Relocation Kit is going to cost $75 it comes with all the stainless steel fasteners to install to the Cam Covers and install the Coil Packs to them in the valley between the Cam Covers.

Is anybody getting just the Cam Covers and the Coil Pack Relocation Kit and NOT the Center Cover?

If so I have all the parts you need for me to ship right now. Please contact me and I will send you the final shipped quote. I will post photos this weekend of how they look on the cylinder head.

Just so you know, the Center Cover(s) install on these Coil Pack Relocation Kit parts, so they are required to install the Center Cover(s)

[GrimJack]

I'm in for the whole setup, of course.

[ATL88Supra]

are you takin bids for the next batch or are you still on the 1st 2

[supra_ed]

dumb question (maybe its been answered - if so, sorry)- how does the coil packs fit with the plug wires? u r including a custom set??

[arz]

dumb question (maybe its been answered - if so, sorry)- how does the coil packs fit with the plug wires? u r including a custom set??The stock wires fit, there is a little extra length on some of them but they all work fine, you just swap wires 6 and 1 with each other.

are you takin bids for the next batch or are you still on the 1st 2Im still on the first batch, if you want a set I have a few more, PM me if your interested.

[7Mboost]

Ok guys its step by step. I just got back from my machinist's Looks like the Coil Pack Relocation Kit is going to cost $75 it comes with all the stainless steel fasteners to install to the Cam Covers and install the Coil Packs to them in the valley between the Cam Covers.

Is anybody getting just the Cam Covers and the Coil Pack Relocation Kit and NOT the Center Cover?

If so I have all the parts you need for me to ship right now. Please contact me and I will send you the final shipped quote. I will post photos this weekend of how they look on the cylinder head.

Just so you know, the Center Cover(s) install on these Coil Pack Relocation Kit parts, so they are required to install the Center Cover(s)


This is for stock coil pack on the stock cam covers? If so consider one set sold.

[arz]

This is for stock coil pack on the stock cam covers? If so consider one set sold.Sorry but NO this is all for Cam Cover customers. I will focus on this mod after the Cam Covers are off my plate. I have some amazing ideas coming.

[7Mboost]

Alright, sounds sweet, I'd def be interested in a stock coil pack relocation on stock cam covers.

[Justin727]

I'll deff be interested in this!

[mk3forme]

I have to admit. I was surprised that anyone would be interested in another type of valve cover. I just thought to myself, that there are tons of things I would rather spend my money on then another set of covers. I mean I have a set that works right? Like buy Andys brake kit maybe? A no brainer.

Wow did you prove me wrong Andy. Those covers are absolutely gorgeous! And the coil pack covers is just the hottest idea I have seen yet. And together they are just awesome. You are making it very hard for Supra owners to decide on what to spend their money on. Hats off to you my man on another product well done. Oh and im loving my oil pump supply line upgrade. I bet my motor is too!:naughty:

[cheverlot]

it would be nice to have a front facing intake that looked that nice to go with all that how much for the whole set up?

[arz]

Ok guys, I only got a few one piece (FFIM) SMOOTH center covers, and its only fair that I offer these to the guys that paid first in the order they put their money down. Everybody seems to want the smooth covers but there just aren't that many. I only have 4 smooth one piece Center Covers.

I don't have any of the 2 piece covers ready yet, and the one piece ones are very close. I only need a few more things done and the one piece covers will probably be ready to ship this weekend.

All of this stuff cost more than I expected, so heres the prices on the FFIM covers. The Smooth ones are $285 and the Ribbed ones are $225

I didn't get complete responses from everybody before about 1 piece VS 2 piece so I will start a list like before.

This is to let me know what option each of you wants on your center covers.
Please state below "1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
If you see an answer in red I got this from a previous email or conversation, if your RED confirmation is incorrect, please let me know or copy the list and change it.
1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
6. MK3_300--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

Please let me know as soon as possible.

I will post photos later this week.

[Kristian_Wraae]

My info is correct. One piece center section.

I'd would like the smooth version and I can wait if necessary.

[mk3forme]

I havent seen a photo of the smooth one yet only the ribbed. Is there a pic in here of the smooth. I did a short search but didnt see it.

[jdub]

Andy - If you don't mind, could you post a few pics of the smooth covers like you did for the ribbed ones in post #388?

[suprastar90]

1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
6. MK3_300--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

As per the other guys Andy, would really like to see a pic of the smooth cover 1st before commiting one way or the other 100%, tho i do like the sound of the smooth style !

I`ll drop you a pm Andy as i`m also looking to order some of your other products so hopefully you`ll be able to combine the shipping together with these :naughty:

[GrimJack]

1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------2 piece
6. MK3_300--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

I'd really like to have both, in case I want to switch to a FFIM at a later date, but I'm not sure I can justify the cost. :( What are the chances you'll be able to run off another cover at a later date?

[arz]

Getting more covers at a later date is a very slim chance. The material is over $130 for 2 feet, if your lucky you get 4 parts out of each 2 foot section, then there are 5 operations per part and then there are all the fasteners and they are very delicate to handle. Several parts came loose in the softjaws and we lost a few.

It was very stressful making all of these and Im still not done.

Only the first 4 people will even be elligable to purchase these, they look AWESOME, sorry for not posting a photo I will tonight. If your not interested I wont have any problem getting rid of them.

Sorry for no photos now, look for photos tonight.

[MK3_300]

Got my choice made.

1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------2 piece
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[toyo4life]

1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------2 piece
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[GrimJack]

Hmm... In that case, I'm going to change my mind and get the 1 piece. I'll just store it until I find a FFIM that I like. And smooth is better. :)

1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece
7. Buckshotglass---------------"1 piece", "2 piece", or "both"
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[Kristian_Wraae]

If your not interested I wont have any problem getting rid of them.

.
Definitely interested. Only thought that if you were to make more of these I'd prefer the smooth one later to the other one now.

[buckshotglass]

I would like to see the polished one we spoke about, but chances are I will be a "none."
Thanks Andy.


1. jdub------------------------1 piece
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[arz]

Thanks everybody for responding so fast. As promised, here are a few photos of the center covers.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3539_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3541_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3542_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3547_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3552_resize.JPG

And here they are on the Z. Sorry you don't see them on the Supra, but there are a couple of reasons. The Z is running 23 PSI at the moment and the Supra is at 8, the Z has a little blow-by and the Supra has none. The Z has a shiny engine compartment and the Supra still needs work, I will show it later for reference, but you get the picture. The bummer about this install is I couldn't fit the Center Covers on because the Z hood latch support was in the way, I will install them on the Supra for photos soon.

Before.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3494_resize.JPG

I went to the junk yard and scavenged these two complete connectors (I think they came off of a Corolla or a Camry) since they were missing a wire I had to remove the pins, I will show how to do this in the instructions.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3505_resize.JPG

Here they are soldered, don't forget to put the shrink wrap on first.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3525_resize.JPG

Here it is with the CPRK installed, I didn't need to cut one wire on the stock harness, the jumper harness I made was about 18 inches longer, I will provide complete instructions later.
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3527_resize.JPG

[GrimJack]

Meh, those look so average, I think I'm going to have to cancel my order.

I'm kidding! :D That's awesome. Do want! I'll take the smooth one if they don't all get snapped up before I get the chance.

[suprastar90]

Smooth for me too Andy if pos :love:

[jdub]

1. jdub------------------------1 piece, Smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------2 piece
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece


I'll take a smooth one ;)

Damn! Those look good!

[Kristian_Wraae]

I'll take a smooth one ;)



:asshole:

Ok, it'll look great with the "non"-smooth ones too. :biglaugh:

To the smooth guys: They'll look like crap once they get scratched :biglaugh:

@arz, if the smooth ones are difficult to make, maybe in the future you would consider making one with an inlaid CF plate in the top?

[arz]

^^^Guys^^^ I retained the order, in which you committed to buy, it was the only fair way to do it. I told you if you got in early you would be getting the best deal possible. When the 4 smooth ones are gone they are gone.

Glad you guys like them.

Jdub I dont think you copied the latest list.

1. jdub------------------------1 piece smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece smooth
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece smooth
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece smooth pending confirmation from Red '88T
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[jdub]

^^^ Fixed!

Andy - From reading their posts, looks like Sean and Dave want smooth ones too.

Kristian - Sorry man...LOL. Andy is local to me and I kinda know how he does things like this.
When I saw he was making covers, I jumped on it fast ;)

[Kristian_Wraae]

I hope you guys understand I'm just joking.

We all want the smoothies and there are only 4 and I'm last in line.

Anyway as I said they will look great no matter what.

[jdub]

I knew you were ;)

[toyo4life]

Hey Andy, as per our conversation I was looking for the smooth ones since the begining.

^^^Guys^^^ I retained the order, in which you committed to buy, it was the only fair way to do it. I told you if you got in early you would be getting the best deal possible. When the 4 smooth ones are gone they are gone.

Glad you guys like them.

Jdub I dont think you copied the latest list.

1. jdub------------------------1 piece smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece smooth
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece smooth
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece smooth pending confirmation from Red '88T
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both Smooth
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[arz]

Hey Andy, as per our conversation I was looking for the smooth ones since the begining.Tony Im very sorry, I had 6 smooth ones ready to go into the CNC machine and 2 were lost to mistakes in the CNC machine, believe me if I could rework them I would. The were destroyed, lucky we didn't break any tools. The only fair way is to distribute them on a first come first served basis. Since I have very good records of who paid and when I have to give them to the guys that paid first. Believe me it really disappointed me to see those other smooth parts scrapped.

I can still get a few smooth 2 piece covers. The material is shorter and I set a few aside for the 2 piece ones in smooth. It wasn't a choice the tubing was all delivered by forklift and I really only had a few pieces of material to choose from to get all the smooth pieces I did.

Again Im very very sorry.

For those that think Im charging more for the smooth ones "because I can". Besides the difficulty in fishing thru all the material for good smooth pieces I also took them to the polisher. The tubing was anodized and this required the polisher to charge more for striping the ano before he polished. I was actually shocked to be charged more than double what the ribbed ones cost.

Believe me all of this was such a headache you cant imagine. I am happy to do it for the community, but it really might be the last time for Cam Covers.

[toyo4life]

Tony Im very sorry, I had 6 smooth ones ready to go into the CNC machine and 2 were lost to mistakes in the CNC machine, believe me if I could rework them I would. The were destroyed, lucky we didn't break any tools. The only fair way is to distribute them on a first come first served basis. Since I have very good records of who paid and when I have to give them to the guys that paid first. Believe me it really disappointed me to see those other smooth parts scrapped.

I can still get a few smooth 2 piece covers. The material is shorter and I set a few aside for the 2 piece ones in smooth. It wasn't a choice the tubing was all delivered by forklift and I really only had a few pieces of material to choose from to get all the smooth pieces I did.


No, I totally understood that. I just want to make sure i was on the list for smooth in case there were any canceled. Actually after seeing the latest pics I'm kinda feelin' the fluted ones. They seem a bit more custom than the smooth. So no worries either way.

[arz]

No, I totally understood that. I just want to make sure i was on the list for smooth in case there were any canceled. Actually after seeing the latest pics I'm kinda feelin' the fluted ones. They seem a bit more custom than the smooth. So no worries either way.I really appreciate your understanding, I was soooo bummed when those parts didn't make it. I know not to count my chickens before they hatch this isn't the first time, I should have known better than to make any positive reference to them or speak like it would be no problem. You never know, and it has bitten me dozens of times.

Thanks again.

[SupraOfDoom]

Looks absolutely amazing. Hopefully I can afford these this summer. Is it 695 for just the cam covers, or the center piece as well?

[arz]

Looks absolutely amazing. Hopefully I can afford these this summer. Is it 695 for just the cam covers, or the center piece as well?Just the Cam Covers, Center covers are $225, CPRK is $75

[arz]

I got a chance to post photos of them installed on a MKIII sorry the car is so dirty, its not a show piece its for designing parts. What do you guys think of the completed assembly? I will post photos of the ribbed ones installed tomorrow. They really do look AMAZING in person.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3568_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3569_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3570_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3573_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3574_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3575_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3576_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3577_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3578_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3579_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3580_resize.JPG

[jdub]

OMG...beautiful! That's going to look amazing next to an FFIM!

[arz]

It really is AMAZING in person!!!!

[cheverlot]

I want the hole set the valve covers and the coil relo. and the coil covers how much for all?

[arz]

It has been answered many times.

$695 for the Cam Covers and fasteners
$225 for the ribbed Center Cover and fasteners
$75 for the CPRK and fasteners

Please PM me for a final quote shipped, send me your Zip and I will calculate shipping and reply to you with a final quote.

[Justin727]

SWEET!

[mk3forme]

Man that looks AWESOME! Andy I would like to see a pic of the two piece design. You know my engine bay is a bit cleaner than yours. I can offer my services of supplying you with a pic on a fresher engine if you want to send the set too me. Of course I will return them after I snap the pic.:naughty:

[starscream5000]

2JZ? No shit?! (makes the motor look like one) Great job :thumbup:

How about that wiring harness laying right above the cam gears Andy? Any suggestions on a fix for that? Will it fit between the new covers and cam backing plate still?

[Red '88T]

Andy, sorry for my delay in response to your request. On a business trip from hell... I'll explain later.
Jason - Red '88T



1. jdub------------------------1 piece smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece smooth
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece smooth
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece smooth
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece smooth pending confirmation from Red '88T
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece

[Enraged]

wow. simply beautiful!

[arz]

Man that looks AWESOME! Andy I would like to see a pic of the two piece design. You know my engine bay is a bit cleaner than yours. I can offer my services of supplying you with a pic on a fresher engine if you want to send the set too me. Of course I will return them after I snap the pic.:naughty:Thanks for the compliments, my Z will suffice for displaying a clean 2 piece cover... Thanks anyways


2JZ? No shit?! (makes the motor look like one) Great job :thumbup:

How about that wiring harness laying right above the cam gears Andy? Any suggestions on a fix for that? Will it fit between the new covers and cam backing plate still?It fits perfectly under the cover, I only installed these for a visual, since this car is still crossover I cant fire it up anyways.


Andy, sorry for my delay in response to your request. On a business trip from hell... I'll explain later.
Jason - Red '88TNo sweat you are first in line for a smooth 2 piece cover. They are still "virtual" at the moment, but I think I have eliminated any doubt that you guys might not be happy with the finished product.


wow. simply beautiful!Thank you, I am very glad you guys like it.

Heres a few more photos and the ribbed 1 piece center cover. I still cant get over how cool they look in person. I am very happy with the results.

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3581_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3582_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3583_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3585_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3590_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3591_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3592_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3598_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3599_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3600_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3602_resize.JPG

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/cam_covers/CIMG3603_resize.JPG

[empera]

oh wow...this is amazing work man.

[mk3forme]

WOW!!!:love:

[Doward]

Stunning!

[Kristian_Wraae]

They both look amazing.:aigo:

[starscream5000]

I'm in :love: with the smooth cover.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Are the ribbed covers made of thinner aluminum?

It looks like there is a gap between the front of the ribbed cover and the metal plate for the timing cover.

The gap is not visible on the smooth cover.

[arz]

Are the ribbed covers made of thinner aluminum?

It looks like there is a gap between the front of the ribbed cover and the metal plate for the timing cover.

The gap is not visible on the smooth cover.Its just the position of the camera. It is ever so slightly thinner as I took some material off of the top when the ribs were machined in.

The top cover can be positioned a bit before its tightened down, so you guys will have a little bit of adjustment if needed.

[Kristian_Wraae]

ok. Great.

:icon_bigg

[OneJArpus]

WOW that looks great. Great job!

[arz]

Just updating the list.

1. jdub------------------------1 piece smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece smooth
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece smooth
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece smooth
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece smooth
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece ribbed
10. N2MKIIIS------------------1 piece ribbed

[philly mkIII]

those are seriously sick valve covers.. im in when can i get it? 2 peice smooth with relocation kit

[mk3forme]

Man I wish I could get in on this. So which cover is not going to be available again? I mean which one are you going to continue to make? I think I read that the one piece smooth you are not going to make once the first batch is done?

[arz]

those are seriously sick valve covers.. im in when can i get it? 2 peice smooth with relocation kitI dont have any more smooth Center Covers, but the Complete Covers with Center covers should be ready to ship later this next week.


Man I wish I could get in on this. So which cover is not going to be available again? I mean which one are you going to continue to make? I think I read that the one piece smooth you are not going to make once the first batch is done?If I keep getting requests I might see what I can do. It sure wont be right away though, sorry I am very busy ATM.

[Kristian_Wraae]

If you get to make more smooth covers in the future I want one.

Now I said it.

[tookwik4u89]

I so badly want that one piece smooth coil cover for my stock V/C's I already polished....It looks SO Bad Ass!!! Great work Andy.

[arz]

HUGE NEWS!!!!! The day has finally come, for me to ship all the kits with one piece center covers.

I got all the one piece Center Covers back from the polisher today. This means I can ship all the Cam Covers, CPRK's, AN fittings, and Center Covers to all the customers that want one piece Center Covers. The bad news is I will have to get with each and every one of you to calculate the remainder of your orders. DOHHHH!!!

The other bad news is I am still working on the 2 piece Center Covers, sorry for the delay guys.

OK guys please PM me and let me know if you want AN fittings shipped with your order, all 3 AN Fittings (any size you choose) will be $67. I recommend -10 for the PCV (top ones) and -16 for the crank case vent (the side one).

When you PM me please include all the items that you need a quote on. I have all that info but Im not always at the same computer when Im trying calculate shipping and a final quote.

Please dont send chit chat PM's as I am trying to clean out my PM's I am very near the limit, thanks.


1. jdub------------------------1 piece smooth
2. Red '88T (Jason)------------2 piece smooth
3. suprastar90 (sean)----------1 piece smooth
4. upgradedsupra (Duane)------none
5. GrimJack (Dave)-------------1 piece smooth
6. MK3_300)-------------------1 piece smooth
7. Buckshotglass---------------none
8. toyo4life--------------------Both
9. Kristian_Wraae--------------1 piece ribbed
10. N2MKIIIS------------------1 piece ribbed

[jdub]

Went by Andy's and picked mine up :D

Guys, the pictures don't do the cam covers and center cover justice...damn near a work of art!

[arz]

Went by Andy's and picked mine up :D

Guys, the pictures don't do the cam covers and center cover justice...damn near a work of art!Thanks a ton , I am glad you are happy with them. I hope the wait was worth it.

[toyo4life]

Andy I was just wondering, with the two piece cover, what happens to the throttle linkage? Cruise control?

[VanSupra]

paypal sent.

Thanks Don :)

[arz]

Andy I was just wondering, with the two piece cover, what happens to the throttle linkage? Cruise control?For the guys getting a 2 piece cover I will be making a throttle relocation bracket and I am crossing my fingers I can make the cruise control work, I like having mine working also.

[MK3_300]

Sent you a PM Andy!

[suprastar90]

Payment & e-mail sent Andy :icon_bigg

Cheers,

Sean.

[arz]

Got it thanks

[blake]

Just finished reading the thread (start to finish). I must say I'm in awe at the result.

It's my understanding that you don't currently have any specific plans for another batch, but I would like to know where I stand to get in line for the next run anyways =)

[arz]

Just finished reading the thread (start to finish). I must say I'm in awe at the result.Thanks for the compliments!!!

I do have a few extra, but I cant say how long they will last, if your interested please email me at ArizonaPerformance@cox.net what parts you want and I can reply with a total.

Please let me know if you want 1 piece or 2 piece center cover.

[Kristian_Wraae]

Just received my covers, center piece, coil relocation kit, CPS cover and EGR block off plate.

All I can say is "freaking awesome". Simply stunning. :aigo:

I was one of the "unlucky" few to receive the ribbed center piece and I was planing on grinding down the ribs to make it smooth, but now I have second thoughts about that. It looks so stunning the way it is.

And to the rest of you: I advice you to jump on this kit now before the last covers are gone. If Andy is not making any more of these you are missing out on "a chance of a life time"

Keep up the good work, Andy. I know you sort of burnt you fingers on these ones but I'm grateful that you took up the challenge. :biglaugh:

Now off to get a JDM throttle linkage so I can get these gems on my car ASAP.

[arz]

Just received my covers, center piece, coil relocation kit, CPS cover and EGR block off plate.

All I can say is "freaking awesome". Simply stunning. :aigo:

I was one of the "unlucky" few to receive the ribbed center piece and I was planing on grinding down the ribs to make it smooth, but now I have second thoughts about that. It looks so stunning the way it is.

And to the rest of you: I advice you to jump on this kit now before the last covers are gone. If Andy is not making any more of these you are missing out on "a chance of a life time"

Keep up the good work, Andy. I know you sort of burnt you fingers on these ones but I'm grateful that you took up the challenge. :biglaugh:

Now off to get a JDM throttle linkage so I can get these gems on my car ASAP.I am very glad you are happy with them, you are right they were a TON of work and I am happy to have them off of my plate. As much as they are, I still have a few left to deliver and the 2 piece covers for cross over manifolds and the throttle linkage mod that I have yet to finish for those. If your not in a super hurry and your sticking with cross over linkage then I will have a solution for you eventually. If your FFIM I think a longer cable like one from a Nissan S13 or S14 will work perfect.

I do have a few left I hope people decide to pick them up. I am still working on some details on a few others.

Again thanks for the compliments.

[MkIII_Jeff]

damn sexy.

[88MK3]

Man if only i had the money!!:cry:

[Woody1989]

I am very glad you are happy with them, you are right they were a TON of work and I am happy to have them off of my plate. As much as they are, I still have a few left to deliver and the 2 piece covers for cross over manifolds and the throttle linkage mod that I have yet to finish for those. If your not in a super hurry and your sticking with cross over linkage then I will have a solution for you eventually. If your FFIM I think a longer cable like one from a Nissan S13 or S14 will work perfect.

I do have a few left I hope people decide to pick them up. I am still working on some details on a few others.

Again thanks for the compliments.


Hello,

Nice work! Have any of the six or more initial buyers been able to post installed pictures? What is the status of the kit for those with a factory intake/crossover pipe? I've got an Extreme Turbo Systems IC kit on the way and would love to add these parts as well.

Thanks,


Brad

[arz]

Hello,

Nice work! Have any of the six or more initial buyers been able to post installed pictures? What is the status of the kit for those with a factory intake/crossover pipe? I've got an Extreme Turbo Systems IC kit on the way and would love to add these parts as well.

Thanks,


Brad

I am just as anxious as you to see my customers installed photos BTW there were 10 initial buyers and at least 5 more after the initial offer. I have had them on my Z with the 7M for about 4 months and over 3000 miles all at over 20 psi with no leaks what so ever. I am still waiting on my machinist to get on the 2 piece cover and the throttle cable mod.

Rest assured if you want the 2 piece cover, I will be finishing it because I want it for my 7M and I have 2 others that have prepaid. Its just a waiting game at this point. Sorry to all of you that are waiting, I haven't forgotten about you.

[xarewhyayen]

Edit: 7-18-07 Here are the pages with the latest photos, I added these to the first post for now, so people don't have to surf 15+ pages of chatter. More Videos and photos will be added soon so check back often.

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41974&page=12

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41974&page=14



Posting by page makes it tough for people who have more posts/page :icon_bigg by post count works out much better, just a suggestion

[buckshotglass]

^^ true. I just tried it, took me to 10 of 10.

Andy, still working on this? oh man.

If anyone is looking for installed pics of these covers, check my build thread, there are some in there.

[arz]

Yep, still waiting on the 2 piece center covers.