JL Audio's new sub! 2.5" mounting depth!

[fiyota]

JL Audio TW5 Thin-Line Subwoofer Driver (http://mobile.jlaudio.com/jlaudio_pages.php?page_id=213)

Check out the above link, it's JL's new sub... it would make the perfect sub for a discrete, targa storage saving install! Comes availible in a 12" or 13.5" diameter... pretty cool. What do you think?

[suprarx7nut]

Thats freakin awesome. You could put that under the seats for some good ass rumblin action. ;)

But i wonder if it has anywhere near the punch of a full size JL

[bowsercake]

well, with the box it will be more than 2.5" but still, that can fit under a targa, if you have a targa.

[Dirgle]

Very nice, I will have to look in to these.

[GotToyota?]

Still doesn't show price, and knowing JL, it will be $150+ dollars.

-Matt

[mkIIIman089]

^ Because thats SO much money. ;)

Looks like an awesome product if it handles decent power and sounds reasonable. I doubt its on par with normal drivers as far as those 2 qualities but it'd be better then nothing.

[Dirgle]

Still doesn't show price, and knowing JL, it will be $150+ dollars.

-Matt

Says it won't be out until 3rd quarter 2007 so we won't see a price until then.
JL's are worth the money, I've seen lesser subs for more $$$, I've found JL to be a true "you get what you pay for" scenario.

[born2drv]

Very nice, I like it. Since its JL you know it will sound good. Guess I better sell my pioneer ones now, I didn't even take them out of the box yet, too busy with other projects.

[speed]

Elemental Designs also has a new slim subwoofer, its a 10" thats 3" deep. 250wrms, and $70. I've had several eD subwoofers, they've all been quality.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?t=0&products_id=106

[starscream5000]

I like my subs that I have in my DD: 2 Alphasonik 800 series 10" subs. They are by no means slim though ;).

[GotToyota?]

^ Because thats SO much money. ;)

Looks like an awesome product if it handles decent power and sounds reasonable. I doubt its on par with normal drivers as far as those 2 qualities but it'd be better then nothing.
I wasn't saying that's alot of $, but JL stuff is expensive, and for small things. For $150+ dollars, you could get a way better sub for that money. I'm just saying $150+ for THAT is alot of money.

-Matt

[Dirgle]

I wasn't saying that's alot of $, but JL stuff is expensive, and for small things. For $150+ dollars, you could get a way better sub for that money. I'm just saying $150+ for THAT is alot of money.

-Matt

Do tell, if you're so sure there is better stuff for 150 then enlighten us. To find stuff on par with the quality and craftsmanship provided by JL, you will find most stuff is in a similar price range. Of course there are far better subs, but they are in a far higher price range.

[GotToyota?]

Do tell, if you're so sure there is better stuff for 150 then enlighten us. To find stuff on par with the quality and craftsmanship provided by JL, you will find most stuff is in a similar price range. Of course there are far better subs, but they are in a far higher price range.
Then again, I was saying this because I get major discounts on high price audio components at work ($300 dollar subs for $75-$100) so I meant I could actually get better for the $, this might not be the case for normal people.

BTW, I work in the car audio section of my work, so I know some stuff.

-Matt

[Dirgle]

If you say so man, it’s been my experience that JL's have a very good price point irregardless of discounts. I spent several years in the auto audio segment myself, and after dealing with many different brands JL always came somewhere near the top of the list. Most of my associates felt the same way as well. Defiantly not the best but very good for what you pay.

[speed]

JL is a very good company. But for as much money as you pay, you can get a comprable sounding speaker for less $.

[Justin]

I've delt with, sold, experienced, used; Fosgate(Big Thumbs Down), Pioneer, Kicker, MTX, Alpine, Infinity, and I'm sure more that I can't think of at the moment.

I have a single 10W6V2 right now and its by far my favorite sub I have ever owned/listened too. Yes, it was expensive. I think it was worth it.

The great thing about this new sub is that you can make your box very very shallow, and just increase the length and width. It still needs .6 cu/feet of encloser space.

[GotToyota?]

If you say so man, it’s been my experience that JL's have a very good price point irregardless of discounts. I spent several years in the auto audio segment myself, and after dealing with many different brands JL always came somewhere near the top of the list. Most of my associates felt the same way as well. Defiantly not the best but very good for what you pay.
I never said JL wasn't good, in fact, I also believe JL is one of the top audio providers that have the best sound (along with JBL, Focal, and Infinity).

-Matt

[BorHor]

Pioneer has a similar sub that has been out for some time. It can be found for under $100 on ebay. iirc chriso has on in his car, he put it right on top of the spare tire on the ply wood.

[boostadikt]

very nice... i might consider this

[starscream5000]

A friend of mine bought a diamond audio sub back when we was in school, it was a 12" sub and weighed like 40-50 lbs.... I've never heard one sub hit so hard in my life...

[fiyota]

ever heard a w7?

[Jeff Lange]

My Focal 11" sub is 4.5", 2.5" is pretty shallow.

[born2drv]

hey jeff, ask all the girls, larger diameter is better then longer depth :)

[starscream5000]

^This man speaks the truth ;).

[Jeff Lange]

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[toyo4life]

My problem with JL is that they tend to use cone matierials that absorb distortion noise. This tends to hide amp clipping so people tend to think the JL's sound louder than brand X on the same amp. The down side is that some that doesn't realize this will drive their amps deeper into distortion and is more likely to damage something.
Its a very good product but not the best value.

Earthquake and pioneer also offer shallow woofers. I don't know that I'm crazy about earthquake as a brand but they actually manufacture flat wofers for some BMW models. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069927_297394781,00.html
http://www.earthquakesound.com/sws.htm

[toyo4life]

Just going by the specs on these pages it looks like the JL's are the most innovative of the bunch. they should be able to handle alot of power but most likely at the expense of sensetivity. The earthquakes look like standard motor structures mounted to squashed baskets. So do the pioneers.
It looks like the the earthquakes have the best shot at getting real loud based on the Xmax numbers, but will likely need larger enclosures to do so.

Just my speculation anyway.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

I'm sorry I had to be the first to step in and say this, but JL is NOT a "you get what you pay for" brand. You're paying for their name. Check out Image Dynamics subs, Hifonics brutus subs, TREO subs etc... At the same price point as a w7, these competitors offer a much higher quality subwoofer. [exit]

[born2drv]

I'm sorry I had to be the first to step in and say this, but JL is NOT a "you get what you pay for" brand. You're paying for their name. Check out Image Dynamics subs, Hifonics brutus subs, TREO subs etc... At the same price point as a w7, these competitors offer a much higher quality subwoofer. [exit]

Maybe I'm out of touch with the car audio scene... from what I recall JL was one of the best subs, in nearly 1/2 of all competition vehicles....

[Dirgle]

I'm sorry I had to be the first to step in and say this, but JL is NOT a "you get what you pay for" brand. You're paying for their name.

You go! Fight the man, Don't give in to brand names! You statement sounds like most people I know that hate a brand simply because it has a popular name, not because of any hard information. JL audio built the name through a quality product, the name did not make them, this has not changed. JL audio is still ran in more than 1/2 of Sound quality oriented systems, and is still a fairly heavy hitter in the SPL arena. I'm not saying that JL is the begin all end all of car audio. But they do produce a quality product, dump tons of funding in to R&D, and have been an innovator on many levels, so I give credit where credit is do. And with JL you pay a little more for a quality product. It's a good trade off as there are much, much more expensive subs out there. But I wouldn't expect the majority of the MKIII community to understand paying a little more for something decent, as most of us are low ballers anyways. Cheap is never cheap enough is it?

[boostadikt]

wow..... yeah that is really a pretty rediculas claim, so a w7 is 550$ and for the money you can get a lot more shit.... quality however.... NO!
I had 2 12" infinity's 1400 watt subs with 900 watts to each.... it was loud as shit, then my friend shows up in his integra with a single custom W7 setup with the 1000-1 watt JL amp and put me to shame.

the sound quality was unbeatable and he hit 145 DB.

JL is quality shit.... for less money you can get a system that is very close but when you want to push it to the next level you will have to pay $$$.

[Dirgle]

You guys are all insane, Every JL system I have ever setup has had exceptional quality. Any time I have heard a poor quality JL system some moron had f***ed up the install. $550 for a setup that can seriously produce is not a lot of money. Back when Orion was the big dog on the block I spent $4000.00 on just two subs the custom box and an Orion Amp. JL does not ask a lot of money to play at the level they put you at.

Here is a review of the W6, and most extensive reviews seem to fall in line with this one.

http://www.xcs.no/index.php?artikkelid=156&back=1

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

You go! Fight the man, Don't give in to brand names! You statement sounds like most people I know that hate a brand simply because it has a popular name, not because of any hard information. JL audio built the name through a quality product, the name did not make them, this has not changed. JL audio is still ran in more than 1/2 of Sound quality oriented systems, and is still a fairly heavy hitter in the SPL arena. I'm not saying that JL is the begin all end all of car audio. But they do produce a quality product, dump tons of funding in to R&D, and have been an innovator on many levels, so I give credit where credit is do. And with JL you pay a little more for a quality product. It's a good trade off as there are much, much more expensive subs out there. But I wouldn't expect the majority of the MKIII community to understand paying a little more for something decent, as most of us are low ballers anyways. Cheap is never cheap enough is it?
First off, no I'm not "fighting the man". JL is quality equipment, but it's not this super god of all that everyone thinks it is and I'm sick of hearing that. JL's subs are good equipment, but only fall into the "decent" range as far as bang for your buck goes. How have they been innovative? A 13.5" sub?--WHOO! Real innovative...:rollseyes: I, for one, DO understand the importance of quality equipment and have no problem paying a little more for it, but JL is NOT in my top list of things to buy. Just to clarify, I run a JL 10-w0-8 in my car right now, as it was free, so don't think I'm being a "hater" because I'm jealous or some b/s.


wow..... yeah that is really a pretty rediculas claim, so a w7 is 550$ and for the money you can get a lot more shit.... quality however.... NO!
I had 2 12" infinity's 1400 watt subs with 900 watts to each.... it was loud as shit, then my friend shows up in his integra with a single custom W7 setup with the 1000-1 watt JL amp and put me to shame.

the sound quality was unbeatable and he hit 145 DB.

JL is quality shit.... for less money you can get a system that is very close but when you want to push it to the next level you will have to pay $$$.

Where to start...hmm ok, when the hell have you seen a W7 for $550? Maybe an 8" lol. Next, your infinity's were NOT 1400w subs. Period. I don't care what model they were, they won't handle 1400 max even. SO, you're full of shit already. Furthermore, your friend was most likely using a 13w7, JL's flagship model, if he was running a 1000/1 amp. Lastly, he did NOT hit 145db with that thing either :rofl:

You guys all crack me up. When I get my TREO subs installed I'll let everyone come have a listen.
Future plans:
2 Treo 12" SSi subs
2 Zapco 750.1 amps
Treo 3-ways up front
Zapco 150.2 component amp

[Dirgle]

I never did I say that they were "this super god of all ", I thought I made it clear the I thought they good but not the best. However I do believe that they are a quality product and you DO get what you pay for with them, so we'll just agree to disagree on that point.

Kicker comes out with the square sub, and everybody whoops and hollars. JL does a 13.5 in sub that out does the square sub of the same surface area and all you can do is roll your eyes?

JL came out with the Overroll, which is a pretty ingenious idea for dealing with extreamly long excursion.

JL designed the R.I.P.S. System so the amp doesn't care what ohm value speaker you hookup it will always put out the same amount of power.

JL was the first to move the spider further away from the frame and increased the spider diameter in order to increase the maximum possible excursion

In the late 70's JL was the first to market with reinforced cones, which has become standard in all subs today.

Those are just a few of them, I'm sure there are many more, even some small ones that not many of us think about. Yes JL is an innovator. They have helped move the industry forward to where it is today.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

I'll give you the overroll and the R.I.P.S. system (didn't know it's name), those were both DAMN good ideas. The whole thing about kicker though, I didn't hoot and hollar at all; I think, and have expressed on this very website, that the idea for a square sub is...well inside the box (pun intended). It doesn't lend itself to a custom install, you get uneven area distrobution, etc...it's a plain ol' piece o' shit. JL's idea for a 13.5 inch sub was way better in design, but still wasn't all that great of an accomplishment: "Whoa! Let's make the cone area larger!!! BRILLIANT!!"

[Dirgle]

: "Whoa! Let's make the cone area larger!!! BRILLIANT!!"

All while tossing back a bottle of Guinness, right. :-p

[boostadikt]

you're a Faggot! dont tell me im an idiot and tell me my infinity subs arent 1400 Watt subs because the are, THERE IS NO ARGUMENT about how I am full of shit THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

And yeah he did hit 145 DB with it i was there and i watched the meter it was a full custom install done by car concept by where i live, that cost him just under 4000$

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIT....... i love ass holes like you that argue FACTS over the internet because they dont have the balls to admit their wrong and they have been proven wrong, But the only way you see out of it is to keep acting like an ass and argue your Opinion with nothing to back it up.

You are entitled to your own opinion, and can say that JL is not for you and you would prefer another sub..... THATS FINE, I will Respect your opinion..... But the second you tell me i am full of shit and i don't know what im talking about Is when you cross the line.

[Justin]

{edit}HAH! Nice edit ;){\edit}

There's a much better way to go about things on the internet than calling people a fucking retard.


What he was refering to, in regards to your subs not being 1400 watts, is the type of power rating.

Most companies like to advertise maximum power output because its a higher number and kids go crazy over high numbers. For an example, your 1400 watt Infinity subs.

The only number that people in the profession care about, or the only number that really matters, is the RMS rating. If you claim that your subs are 1400 watts RMS then you need to back it up, but I've never seen an infinity sub that's 700 watts RMS by itself. Then again I've never dealt with Infinity Perfect speakers/subwoofers as there's MUCH MUCH better products out there for alot cheaper.


That's all :)


Oh yeah....


JL AUDIO FUCKING RULES! (at 70% off ;))
you're a fucking retard! dont tell me im an idiot and tell me my infinity subs arent 1400 Watt subs because the are, THERE IS NO ARGUMENT about how I am full of shit THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

And yeah he did hit 145 DB with it i was there and i watched the meter it was a full custom install done by car concept by where i live, that cost him just under 4000$

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIT....... i love ass holes like you that argue FACTS over the internet because they dont have the balls to admit their wrong and they have been proven wrong, But the only way you see out of it is to keep acting like an ass and argue your Opinion with nothing to back it up.

You are entitled to your own opinion and can say that JL is not for you and you would prefer another sub..... THATS FINE, I will Respect your opinion..... But the second you tell me i am full of shit and i don't know what im talking about Is when you cross the line.

[boostadikt]

i LOVE infinity, but that is my personal preference because they are resonably cheap and i think the sound quality is excelent.

And yes i know what Root Mean Square is. and i while the infinity subs are only 400 Watts RMS, like i said i was throwing 900 watts @ 2 Ohms RMS at each of them and it sounded great

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

Well justin thanks for the input while I was away :icon_razz:

Infinity makes good shit for the price, don't get me wrong, but like Justin said, I was referring to 1400w rms. I pay no attention to max power ratings, as they're bull shit in every respect. In reference to your putting 900w to a 400w sub, I wouldn't consider it a good idea, but hey, if it sounded good it sounded good.

Hey J--where you gettin JL shit at 70% off? At that price I wouldn't mind pickin up a couple 1000/1's myself!!
I still don't beleive the 145 on a single 13w7, but I guess it's possible. :dunno:

Lastly, don't call me an ass hole, because like you said, I'm arguing FACTS. Being in the profession, that's all I care about in regards to I.C.E., FACTS. If I riled your feathers, I appoligize, but honestly, the "faggot" comment was highly unnecessary.

[chriso]

Pioneer has a similar sub that has been out for some time. It can be found for under $100 on ebay. iirc chriso has on in his car, he put it right on top of the spare tire on the ply wood.
Yup, sounds and works great. Look for the "shalow mount" subs on EBAY.

[Nick Stonawski]

being a custom audio installer i can tell u that these "thin subwoofers" DO NOT hit as hard as u may think!

i installed a Pioneer "thin 12 inch sub" a few weeks ago and that thing hit like a baby locked in the trunk!!! TERRIBLE!!

careful what u get until u try it. i havnt heard the JL one yet but from my experience with these thin subs is a very big thumbs down.

as they say... "GO BIG OR GO HOME!" :naughty:

[born2drv]

I knew a guy who used 2 of the 12" thin pioneer subs in his truck and they sounded fantastic which is why I bought a pair but haven't installed yet. I'm not looking for a "150db shake the earth, look at me I'm a pimp" setup. I just want something that has good output and a flat response all the way down to 20Hz.

[Spaniard]

I knew a guy who used 2 of the 12" thin pioneer subs in his truck and they sounded fantastic which is why I bought a pair but haven't installed yet. I'm not looking for a "150db shake the earth, look at me I'm a pimp" setup. I just want something that has good output and a flat response all the way down to 20Hz.


I would have to agree. I'm not looking for the huge hit of bass like maybe Nick was talking about or that he is familiar with. I just want something thin that will hit decent and still be able to fit my targa in the hatch with a spare tire. I think that is bad ass. Cause while everyone is going BIG on the subwoofer on the side of the road with a flat tire, I'll be rollin' on by and going home to my 7.1 Home Theater full Dolby Digital/DTS system on Martin Logans that blow everything out of the water in the car and pretty much at home. haha.

[mfnmk3]

One more option for the thin subwoofers is the Blaupunkt ODw10HP or 12HP. I'm not sure when Pioneer's thin-line came out, but I think these came out around '03. I've kind-of been waiting for JL or some other prominent American audio company to make one of these, and hopefully less expensive. I think these were around 250 or 300, but are kind-of hard to find too.

http://www.blaupunkt.com/us/7606200282_main.asp

[Zach]

Thin subs aren't the only option in our cars, you have to realize that if you're going to the trouble of a custom enclosure, it's easy enough to make it fit where you want it. So many people try to cram too much speaker into not enough enclosure and it ends up sounding crappy. I've heard a single eight inch sub pound harder than a 12, it's just all in the enclosure design and installation.

I have some experience with the W7's, and in my opinion they sound too breathy. i.e. moving more air than it was making sound. It could've just been the enclosure, but I'm pretty positive they designed it to spec. I've heard, but can't confirm, that the W6's sound better in many people's opinions. For the money you'll spend on a W7 you can get a handbuilt and top notch Digital Designs sub that will literally blow just about anything out of the water. Never have I heard subs sound so clean at any volume level as I have with DD subs. Do your research and find out what best fits your needs, it may be something as simple as an infinity basslink that just drops right in.


Just to rub it in, I've got a hardtop, so I get to put crap all over the place :P

Still dirty, all of the trim panels and tuning will be finished tomorrow, then some proper pictures will be taken.

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