Tokyo Auto Salon --cool stuff--- Supra Related

[bobiseverywhere]

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/12368/2007-tokyo-auto-salon-top-secret-supra.html

[bobiseverywhere]

the head lights are cool but is it just me or is it really long

[PROJECT N00b]

what? a 1jx V12?

[Syris]

look about twice the length of what the celica's were

[suprahero]

That's pretty sick. I wish I could see a close up of the engine bay................:love:

[bobiseverywhere]

i didn't even know that Toyota Made a V12

[bobiseverywhere]

That's pretty sick. I wish I could see a close up of the engine bay................:love:

I am sure it will show up in the rounds of mags with shots of every agnle posible

[PROJECT N00b]

same here.

[jmanbball]

Pretty crappy numbers though, only 800 hp and 500flbs of torque. Its got 2x's as many cylinders and +2.0l of displacement, it should make more torque

[bobiseverywhere]

it should but ten to one, just as they mention the Car is old school Retro Cool I would be willing to bet so is the Engine. Never Developed and probably from the 80's



a little thing about Japanese Culture that i thought was fun, taken from the same site

" In the “most automotive-obsessed country” contest, America boasts ten-car garages, Italy more prancing horse key chains per capita than crosses, but Japan, where even grandmothers install aftermarket wheels and stereos, takes the prize. Few countries have a higher percentage of new vehicles on the road. Thanks to a $2500 inspection every two years of non-new cars, there is much incentive to buy new. As a result, flavor here comes not with age or patina but personalization. Anything with wheels is ripe for modification, from sports cars to vans, scooters to Harleys, 660cc city cars to freight trucks. "

[bobiseverywhere]

another little exert

"Many good things come in small packages

Owning a city car, also called a Kei car, in Japan has distinct advantages: They are allowed up to 660cc engines and thus are fuel efficient, they’re limited to 3.25 feet in width and 7.5 feet in length, so are small and easier to park, and the government makes them vastly less expensive to register and inspect than larger cars. As a result, most automakers make one or several models and you can get just about anything in Kei form: vans, cabriolets, sports coupes, dump trucks, AWD, twin-charged rally machines, and rock crawlers. Unsurprisingly, people modify the snot out of them.

Perhaps because of the demise of the Japanese supercar (the Supra, RX-7, and Skyline all ceased production around the same time), there was for the first time an abundance of Porsches and BMWs on display, as well as Japanese tuners directing their parts towards this market. The EVO remains a popular candidate for every imaginable performance and aesthetic enhancement, with not as many competing Subaru STIs stationed around the show as in years past. The drifting phenomenon, whose initial surge in the United States is ebbing slightly, remains a hot ticket in Japan, and competitor’s cars were constantly mobbed.

Nobody does specific engine output like the Japanese, stock or modified, and absurd horsepower figures were spread thick through the show. Over 300 horsepower, from naturally aspirated four-cylinder engines was not uncommon (yes, their pump gas has a higher octane rating than ours), and there was a bevy of inline and V-6s with forced induction approaching the millennium horsepower mark, all without the help of nitrous oxide."

[bobiseverywhere]

thats the shiznit

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/1222007155036.jpg


thought i would throw this in too it's a 847HP car From Phoenix Power SPL for those who know who they are

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/123200784936.jpg

Sorry for the little off topic but this has to be for DASOUP

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2007/Q1/1232007919.jpg

[bowsercake]

http://homepage2.nifty.com/backyard1/auto/images/century01_top.jpg

toyota century

[theKnifeArtist]

1GZ-FE. crazy.

[OneJoeZee]

Pretty crappy numbers though, only 800 hp and 500flbs of torque. Its got 2x's as many cylinders and +2.0l of displacement, it should make more torque
the turbos they're using aren't that big and can only flow so much air. what were you expecting?




when I'm rich, I'll have one of these shoehorned into my car. It's like 2 1Js fused together. Lucky the engine already has a name cuz '2'J would already be taken. :dunno:

[LilMissMkIII]

I have pics of the Top Secret Supe... Engine bay and all...

Give me some time to find them and upload...

(Being at work is FTL)

[LilMissMkIII]

Ok here they are:

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[OneJoeZee]

those are the same two pictures that are in the link in the first post of the thread. :dunno:


Ok here they are:

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13097

[OneJoeZee]

here's what was posted on sf

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/fatkatsupra/Option%20Feb%2007/TOPSECRETV12part1.jpg

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408299

[Tanya]

5 liter V12s pistons are about the size of a coke can (in circumference)

while it's a neat little novelty to have a V12 Supra, I really dont think it's worth the effort IMO

[OneJoeZee]

5 liter V12s pistons are about the size of a coke can (in circumference)

while it's a neat little novelty to have a V12 Supra, I really dont think it's worth the effort IMO

This is top secret... The same people who built RB26 and 3SGTE powered Supras and other odd swaps in cars. They've never been about "what's worth the effort." It's not their thing to walk the path others do.

[bobiseverywhere]

i'm just Surprised it Fits. Go Figure how they got Turbos int here as well LOL

that might be the reason for the small turbos. Not enough Space.

This is also a Sign. Top Secret Always tries to anticipate The Next move the manifacturer is going to make and start woking on the engine or a similar one that they belive we be produced soon for another car.

Not to say it's going to be in a Supra but maybe they have the inside track on another car coming that they want to prep for????????

[Tanya]

This is top secret... The same people who built RB26 and 3SGTE powered Supras and other odd swaps in cars. They've never been about "what's worth the effort." It's not their thing to walk the path others do.


Oh I understand that, but for those guys out there that are thinking "hey, why dont I try a V12 mk3"? nah, not really a good idea, lol

[bobiseverywhere]

Oh I understand that, but for those guys out there that are thinking "hey, why dont I try a V12 mk3"? nah, not really a good idea, lol

LOL i would like to see someone here try it

I bet the Price of that V12 Alone is enough to stop most people

[bobiseverywhere]

http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138

[LilMissMkIII]

those are the same two pictures that are in the link in the first post of the thread. :dunno:

I didn't see them in that link... my bad if they were... I'm swamped at work and just kinda skimming the forums today :(

[bobiseverywhere]

i wonder if the first Toyota F1 Engine was based off of the same Engine

http://www.toyota-f1.com/public/en/technologies/3_engine.html

[MassSupra89]

Someone on Supraforums is doing this exact swap into his MKIV. It's incredibly hard getting these engines because toyota doesn't make any extra's, and very few Centuries are sold. It's also known that Toyota buys back wrecked centuries for the parts, and they don't make it to the public very often.

Top secret also put an NA VG35 into a R34 GT-R last year and converted to RWD. Definetly one of those "We can put anything, into anything" companies.

[Jeff Lange]

i wonder if the first Toyota F1 Engine was based off of the same Engine

http://www.toyota-f1.com/public/en/technologies/3_engine.html

I doubt it, since Toyota has never ran a V12 in F1, but you never know.


5 liter V12s pistons are about the size of a coke can (in circumference)

They're 81.0mm in the 1GZ, that's only 2.0mm smaller than the 7M and 5.0mm smaller than the 1JZ and 2JZ.

A 5.0L V12 makes as much sense as a 2.5L inline 6.

[jdub]

So that's what they did...bolted 2 1JZ blocks in a "V" and called it a 12!

LOL...:yelrotflm

[Jeff Lange]

So that's what they did...bolted 2 1JZ blocks in a "V" and called it a 12!

LOL...:yelrotflm

Not quite, different bore, stroke, head setup, and so on.

Unlike the 3S, 2JZ, and 1UZ which are all 86.0mm bore and 86.0mm stroke.

[bobiseverywhere]

I doubt it, since Toyota has never ran a V12 in F1, but you never know.



They're 81.0mm in the 1GZ, that's only 2.0mm smaller than the 7M and 5.0mm smaller than the 1JZ and 2JZ.

A 5.0L V12 makes as much sense as a 2.5L inline 6.

Toyota Never Ran a V12 it was a V10 and now its a V8 Due to Regulations

The V10 Was 3L and Was Smaller and Shorter the our I6 &m 1J or 2J Much Shorter

The V8 is a 2.4L 740BHP NA

Ninja Edit

I was only thinking that the Original V10 might have been designed or derived in part for this V12

[Tanya]

2.0mm smaller than the 7M and 5.0mm smaller than the 1JZ and 2JZ.

A 5.0L V12 makes as much sense as a 2.5L inline 6.



Well it's good that I have a 2.8 then :D

[supra90turbo]

Top Secret is so FTW.
Smokey Nagata is my hero. I can't wait to hear this thing run....
Anyone seen the Top Secret TT V8 350z?

[bobiseverywhere]

nope but i wish

[bobiseverywhere]

a 5L V12 is not that Crazy the Enzo has a 5.5L or 6L cant remember exactly V12 and look at the power it produces.

but 1 Liter on a V12 isn't that big a difference per piston

[swaq]

I'd love to put the Century's V12 in a MKIII. Just a dream though, I don't expect to ever do it. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how the V12's weight compares with the V8 1UZ engine?

[foreverpsycotic]

how exactly would a 3sgte supra work, wasn't the 3s a FWD motor?

[OneJoeZee]

how exactly would a 3sgte supra work, wasn't the 3s a FWD motor?

3S came in a few cars. MR2, celica all tracs, altezza maybe something else? not sure.

I don't know any FWD powered 3S cars. wht are you referring to?

[Duds]

3s-fe's came in the camry and 3s-ge in the fwd celica's.

[OneJoeZee]

I wasn't thinking about FE engines, but yeah good point. thanks for reminding me. :)

[MassSupra89]

3S Supra.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3520175868.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3520175861.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4697027)

[Mr.PFloyd]

wow thats a lot of room to work on a car! me likey!:D

[foreverpsycotic]

im now wondering what trans comes with the celica alltrack, and if i could use the bellhousing on a r154.

[bobiseverywhere]

Having that 3S in there is one way of reducing the weight by quite a bit. if you did major stuff to the rest of the car you could have a pretty light rocket

[tte]

From what I read in Formula One news years back, when Toyota first decided to join F1, V12's were allowed. Toyota like Ferrari were the only manufacturer to design and build their own
V12 engine. Then F1 changed the rules and only allowed v10's...And Toyota had to change to a V10.

But I am sure Toyota would not waste all that R&D, money and technology that went into the V12 for nothing. The Japs do not like to waste money. They will find a purpose for that engine.

Cheers,
Roy

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

I want an MR2 :(
EDIT: Isn't the Altezza deemed the IS300 over here? And didn't it have a 2jzge in it?

[OneJoeZee]

I want an MR2 :(
EDIT: Isn't the Altezza deemed the IS300 over here? And didn't it have a 2jzge in it?

the altezza has a 3SGE in it.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

So the altezza got a 3s, and the IS300 got a 2j?

[bobiseverywhere]

From what I read in Formula One news years back, when Toyota first decided to join F1, V12's were allowed. Toyota like Ferrari were the only manufacturer to design and build their own
V12 engine. Then F1 changed the rules and only allowed v10's...And Toyota had to change to a V10.

But I am sure Toyota would not waste all that R&D, money and technology that went into the V12 for nothing. The Japs do not like to waste money. They will find a purpose for that engine.

Cheers,
Roy

when Toyota joined Formula One Everyone was running a V10 engine The Regulations have since then switched to running V8 The engine must last two races also. The old Rules were one Race. You can run a V10 but they Have an enforced Rev Limit instead of what the engine is capable of which render's them quite useless.

[bobiseverywhere]

the altezza has a 3SGE in it.

Actually i am pretty sure they had both depending on what you bought.

It is only recently that Toyota has offered the 4cyl version here with a 4-wheel drive the IS250. The Altezza in Japan originally did not have 4-wheel drive though that is something new

[Duds]

The original altezza had three motor options the 3s-ge, 1g-fe and the obvious to most 2jz-ge


The Altezza in Japan originally did not have 4-wheel drive though that is something new

The original Altezza wagon was 4wd

[wingman]

bout damn time is what i say!

i've been yakking on and on about the 1GZ for a while now. Pity it's an FE engine and not a GE engine....but then again the 1GZ was never built with performance as the top priority.

[bobiseverywhere]

The original altezza had three motor options the 3s-ge, 1g-fe and the obvious to most 2jz-ge



The original Altezza wagon was 4wd

i didn't know about the 1G and the Wagon being 4-wheel drive, thats some cool stuff

[SupraChrisMk3]

That's still crazy though to see a V12 in a Supra, what will they do next?:naughty:

[bobiseverywhere]

Make and electric Supra that does 9's in the 1/4

[PROJECT N00b]

i know what they will do next...in fact they already did.

a japanese professor made a Li-ion car with 100HP electric motors on each of its 8 wheels, and it propells the thing to speeds of 230mhp. crazy? yeah it is. its called the Elica.

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/11/08/kaz-eight-wheeled-eliica-ev-supercar/