Why does everyone prefer the 1J over the 2J motor?

[confusatron]

I was just wondering why so many people like the 1J better than the 2J motor. It's half a liter smaller, so why would it be better? Thanks.

[GotToyota?]

The ability to rev it higher then the 2j is a plus, also the cost of the 2j's over the 1j, even though they aren't much more.

-Matt

[confusatron]

The ability to rev it higher then the 2j is a plus, also the cost of the 2j's over the 1j, even though they aren't much more.

-Matt

How do the redlines compare? Or the real-world safe-revving rpms rather.

[Tun_x]

$$$$$$$$

[MassSupra89]

Alllll about money.

[s383mmber1]

And that the 1jz was designed to fit into our cars.....:icon_bigg

[Fletch124]

And that the 1jz was designed to fit into our cars.....:icon_bigg

Pretty much the main factor.

[Mr.PFloyd]

2JZ stock won't fit right at all unless you go single right off the bat.

[thesandymancan]

2JZ stock won't fit right at all unless you go single right off the bat.

i thought going single was the problem. :icon_conf

[Fletch124]

i thought going single was the problem. :icon_conf


Nah, stock twins are just to big to fit.

[tsuper92]

easy wiring the 1j,2j supra ecu is a pain
1j is alot cheaper then usdm 2j,aristo motor needs different oil pan
more part's have to be sourced for 2j,1j motor mount's and bellhousing
deffinatly a cost factor
if you pull the abs line's out of the way,the 2j with twin's fit's.the rear turbo charge pipe will be up against the firewall

[suprahero]

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to have a 2jz, but I have heard alot of great things about the 1jz. I know you've all seen this, but it's one of my favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoOyNJSUIzI

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Alllll about money.


The answer in a nut shell.

[mattjk]

i enjoy the no-torque jokes.

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to have a 2jz, but I have heard alot of great things about the 1jz. I know you've all seen this, but it's one of my favorites.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoOyNJSUIzI


In the real world where a real modded 2j vs a real modded 1j the 1j gets its ass handed to it every time. This is a joke right! Not even believing a 1j can spank a 2j unless the 2j is bpu.:naughty: :biglaugh: :nono:

[QWIKSTRIKE]

2JZ stock won't fit right at all unless you go single right off the bat.

Not true A company in NJ SPI sticks 2js turbos in all in a 7m with no body mods at all! It's all about what ya know and who's doing the install.:biglaugh:

[mattjk]

bs, you can't slot the motor mounts that much

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Pretty much the main factor.

The main fact is it's cheap so dont let anyone tell you other wise. If 2js could be had for 800-1200 guess what we all would have.

[Kai]

a 2JZ twin *will* fit into the supe fine - but you gotta be RHD tyte ;)

[DETONATION666]

Price of both motors aside... how much more could a 2J cost for a swap? 1500 more for a 2J? seems like it could add up and before you know it you could throw that extra cash into the 1j and be ahead of the game?

[QWIKSTRIKE]

]bs, you can't slot the motor mounts that much[/B]

Look wise ass don't tell me about what I have seen at my meets with my own eyes is BS. Kill the noise on what you have no f/n clue about. make a pay pal bet of 500 you vs my 1000.00 to Supra Central, and I'll video tape the proof so you wont think its photo shopped. Better yet call, and ask for Hubie. SPI is still in New Jersey; However they stopped working on cars wise ass know it all! Go ahead, and make my day and set up the pay pal with Supra Central to hold the money until satisfiable proof is rendered. Better yet he can call and verify this to be true or false.:evil2: :icon_evil

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Price of both motors aside... how much more could a 2J cost for a swap? 1500 more for a 2J? seems like it could add up and before you know it you could throw that extra cash into the 1j and be ahead of the game?

How would you be a head of the game making half the power. A 1j will NEVER make near as much as a 2J.


*edited by ma71supraturbo*

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Hey Quikstrike......this isn't Supraforums so you can chill out with all the name calling. Can you not make a point without trying to embarass or ridicule someone. If you're so smart, quit trying to make everyone else seem stupid and just answer their questions.


Not trying to make people feel stupid at all. However; in a forum if you pass on nonsense rediculuous answers it needs to be set straight. Forgive me for reading the cluless responses and wodering WTF. Supraforums has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact IJ is over there.;)lol Noise volume of clueless answers some time sets me off.:nono: If I offend you I am sorry! Post facts not opinions. Go read the post dealing with old timers. I was here WAY before many of you, and left after the forum collasped. I will TRY to make it as you asked.:biglaugh: So allof you ass's that I called an ass I appologize
So if I offended anyone I appologize.

Respectfully Speaking
Anthony

[suprahero]

You didn't offend me at all, but I dont want the other guys to be too scared to ask a question for fear of being ridiculed. We were all newbs at one time or another, and I don't know half of what I'd like to know about our cars. If you never ask a question then you will never be any smarter than you are right now. I know alot of times they can search for the answers and I'm not above telling them to search, but I will steer them in the right direction without calling them an ass, clueless, or a wiseass. Name calling should have stopped when you got out of fifth grade. Just my two cents worth and it may not be worth that...................lol

[tissimo]

i dont ;)

and my twins fit.. a little message but no big deal..

[QWIKSTRIKE]

i dont ;)

and my twins fit.. a little message but no big deal..

Rare birds are more precious than ordinary ones. Get that Wolf installed.;)

[Nick M]

i enjoy the no-torque jokes.

Matt, they aren't jokes.

[tookwik4u89]

I used to think 1J's sucked, but now that Hero and Kyle have them, they have to be cool!! My preference doesn't have any J's;)

[foreverpsycotic]

holy flame broiled wopper batman, this thread is out of control.
the answer is......they want to go 1j more.
personally im going 2jz-get (not gte) but thats what i want to do, noone else influenced my decision.

[QWIKSTRIKE]

holy flame broiled wopper batman, this thread is out of control.
the answer is......they want to go 1j more.
personally im going 2jz-get (not gte) but thats what i want to do, noone else influenced my decision.


I have freinds doing 2jz na t things out here!;)

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I used to think 1J's sucked, but now that Hero and Kyle have them, they have to be cool!! My preference doesn't have any J's;)


I say get what You like for yourself and f what ohers think!

[Shytheed Dumas]

I'm going to suggest that most MKIII owners are purists to a large extent, especially those on this forum. This is why riced out MKIII's are instantly flamed. Therefore,

Original MKIII's = 7M and 1J

Original MKIII's =/ 2J

Worse yet, Original MKIII =/ wtf are you talking about 350 Chevy

Anybody buy that? ;)

[suprahero]

350 Chevy for the mfl.........I know outofstep will shoot me on sight for saying that.....................lol

[GrimJack]

I don't think you'll find many people who are willing to seriously debate that the 1J is better. Anyone who purchased a Mk3 shell and intended to install a built engine, big snail, standalone, and supporting mods right out of the gate would likely buy a 2J - at that level, the cost difference will be such a small fraction that it wouldn't be worth worrying about.

Furthermore, I know a fair number of people who have gone 7M -> 1J -> 2J... I don't know anyone who has gone 2J -> *anything*.

[suprahero]

Damn you Grimjack for bringing logic into this thread.....................:biglaugh:

[Shytheed Dumas]

Damn, and I thought I was being logical...

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

What's a 1j? Is that IJ's cousin? :dunno:

[bigaaron]

[/B]

Sounds to me you really are clueless. How would you be a head of the game making half the power. A 1j will NEVER make near as much as a 2J. Alot of you cluesless people are making opinonated answers of which you are cluless. Sit down and kill the noise Mr clueless!:aigo: :nono: :icon_conf

Just because you like the 2j more, doesn't mean you need to be rude to the 1j fans.

For the record, the 2j twins fit just fine, no mods needed to the body, other then hammer a little dent to give a little firewall clearance.

[JonoTurbo]

holy flame broiled wopper batman, this thread is out of control.
the answer is......they want to go 1j more.
personally im going 2jz-get (not gte) but thats what i want to do, noone else influenced my decision.

I'm pretty sure the free motor influnced your (in)decision mike.

Anyhow, I got a car with an empty engine bay. I bought a 1j. Why? I've had 7m's, 4 of them to be exact. I wanted to try something new. Also, it could be a stepping stone. With the 1j parts the 2j is pretty much plug and play. Also, it's a cheaper, simpler swap than going straight to the 2j. With an empty engine bay it's almost on par with what it would have cost to buy all the 7m parts to fill it and have the engine rebuilt anyhow.

[bigaaron]

I don't think you'll find many people who are willing to seriously debate that the 1J is better. Anyone who purchased a Mk3 shell and intended to install a built engine, big snail, standalone, and supporting mods right out of the gate would likely buy a 2J - at that level, the cost difference will be such a small fraction that it wouldn't be worth worrying about.

Furthermore, I know a fair number of people who have gone 7M -> 1J -> 2J... I don't know anyone who has gone 2J -> *anything*.


I'll debate that. I'll tell you from installing and selling whole lot of engines, you will have a MUCH better chance of getting a JDM 1jz with good compression (like new), minimal carbon buildup, and minimal cylinder wall wear.

Debate the 1jz is better? I wouldn't say that because the design is almost exactly the same. Better for installation ease, and cost...yes. Better turbos on the 2jz....no. Same chance of getting bad stock turbos on a 1jz or 2jz.

The actual sound of the 1jz with a nice downpipe and catback is awesome if you ask me.

Long term use, like 150k miles+ of hard driving at elevated power levels....1jz ftw.

Stock turbos fun to drive...1jz ftw.

[Mr.PFloyd]

ill add another point. Some people just don't care as long as they get out of the 7m. My brother had bad luck with 2 7m's said fuck it and went 1jz. He could have went 2jz but he didnt because like most of us, there isn't much more you can do with the 2jz as opposed to the 1jz because the power levels half of us are shooting for are very well within a singled 1jz whereas a 2jz would be the same story, just more money. Just sayin.
-Thomas

[Zazzn]

1j's WHERE cheaper... but 2jz's prices have dropped like stones after the aristos have been gutted....

And the fact that you need lots of bits form a 1jz swap to put the 2jz in.

other then that... 2JZ FTW

.5 displace ment is good no matter how you look at it.

If they sold a 3.5 I6 or 4L I6 that was just a stroked form the factory JZ engine. I'd say that's the engine for me.

More displacement = more fun = no reving to the sky to spool that huge turbo = more fun for the stree = :)

[MRSUPRA]

"If they sold a 3.5 I6 or 4L I6 that was just a stroked form the factory JZ engine. I'd say that's the engine for me."

I couldn't agree more.. There is no way that I would spend extra money for a used engine with less displacement. And there is no way I would spend lots more money on a used engine with equal displacement. However, if there was a 3.5 liter "3JZ-GTE" motor, I would be the first in line to purchase it.

[foreverpsycotic]

titan sells a 3.4l shortblock for 13k, thats almost 3.5l :)

[claricae86]

i also dont think that power is the main purpose, people dont get a 1jz because they want 1200 hp if they did everyone would say screw it and just buy an mk4.

[bobiseverywhere]

Its not so much that everyone prefers the 1J over the 2J

my choice of the 1J is for a few reasons,

-it is made to fit in our cars
-it is much easier to install for a novice (such as my self)
-requires less wiring work to make it work
-cost less money to put together and have a running 1J car
-the 1J revs higher which is good for certain types of driving/racing like Drifting or Time attack or lapping
-there is some nifty factor to it
-the 2J just has to much hype surrounding it still which demands a premium price for everything you do with it.

[bobiseverywhere]

wow i am posting allot

I know that the car manufacturer TVR has a 4L I6 Engine, not sure if you can put it in our cars but i know stock N/A it puts down around 400BHP

[tissimo]

I'm going to suggest that most MKIII owners are purists to a large extent, especially those on this forum. This is why riced out MKIII's are instantly flamed. Therefore,

Original MKIII's = 7M and 1J

Original MKIII's =/ 2J

Worse yet, Original MKIII =/ wtf are you talking about 350 Chevy

Anybody buy that? ;)
imo thats an excuse...

[tookwik4u89]

I say get what You like for yourself and f what ohers think!
I have a Master's degree in sarcasm;)

I love my 7m even though it's inferior to a 2JZ, they're all good.:icon_razz

EDIT....my 7M is not inferior to a 2JZ

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I have a Master's degree in sarcasm;)

I love my 7m even though it's inferior to a 2JZ, they're all good.:icon_razz

EDIT....my 7M is not inferior to a 2JZ

Whew ...good correction...for a secondyou were scaring me!;)

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Just because you like the 2j more, doesn't mean you need to be rude to the 1j fans.
For the record, the 2j twins fit just fine, no mods needed to the body, other then hammer a little dent to give a little firewall clearance.

I like the power stats it is capeable of on its own merrits. The 1j is inferior to the 2j period. Installing a 2j isnt that complicated if you get a standalone other than an AEM. The problem is everyone wants a cheap drop in solution. Don't say getting a complete 2jz is cheaper than dropping a 2jz and a wolf, or a Haltech computer to run it either. The 7m crowd is usually younger guys looking for cheap bang for the buck mods. This will not yield an ultimate street car with reliable power.There is no debate that out of the box a 1J maybe easier, and cheaper to install, but that is it periodl. This is not meant to discredit the 1j or slap 1j owners as you imply. It is merely a fact proven by the 2jz motor all on its own merrits!

[miekedmr]

It is merely a fact proven by the 2jz motor all on its own merrits!

Ahem... OPINION, and opinions don't get PROVEN, however widely held and rational they are.
I can say a piece of granite is 'superior' to a 2JZ-GTE and not be incorrect, because it's subjective. If you want to say something specific like the 2J has more power potential than the 1J or whatever, have at it.
Meanwhile, everyone's welcome to make up there own minds about what's superior, and they can do it based on whatever they want: the way the valve covers and manifolds look in their engine bay, the cost effectiveness, efficiency, how much it hurts when you drop it on someone, etc

[bobiseverywhere]

I like the power stats it is capeable of on its own merrits. The 1j is inferior to the 2j period. Installing a 2j isnt that complicated if you get a standalone other than an AEM. The problem is everyone wants a cheap drop in solution. Don't say getting a complete 2jz is cheaper than dropping a 2jz and a wolf, or a Haltech computer to run it either. The 7m crowd is usually younger guys looking for cheap bang for the buck mods. This will not yield an ultimate street car with reliable power.There is no debate that out of the box a 1J maybe easier, and cheaper to install, but that is it periodl. This is not meant to discredit the 1j or slap 1j owners as you imply. It is merely a fact proven by the 2jz motor all on its own merrits!

As far as i have seen the 1J has proven to be a reliable engine.

I went with a 1J yes due to cost and other factors. You don't have to be young and poor to not want to spend crazy amount of money on your car. being reasonable and understanding what you want to do with the car, making the best coarse of action is just good planning. You don't have to buy the biggest badest most expensive engine there is to get a good street car. You need to understand what your goals are and what you expect from your car, and to understand what it will take to get that.

When all considered and what my goals are for "my" idea of a great street machine. The 1J was the way to go. Ya it might not have 1000RWHP or be able to dyno 1200RWHP but i want something that is enjoyable on the street in all respects. Not that the 2J is not enjoyable, but for my power goals and other ideas of the car and how it should be the 1J was the right choice for me.

It is not inferior, it is just a different choice. Taking the attitude that bigger is always better. Then i submit to you, that people should be 400lbs fat blobs driving there car cause bigger is always better.

[bigaaron]

I like the power stats it is capeable of on its own merrits. The 1j is inferior to the 2j period. Installing a 2j isnt that complicated if you get a standalone other than an AEM. The problem is everyone wants a cheap drop in solution. Don't say getting a complete 2jz is cheaper than dropping a 2jz and a wolf, or a Haltech computer to run it either. The 7m crowd is usually younger guys looking for cheap bang for the buck mods. This will not yield an ultimate street car with reliable power.There is no debate that out of the box a 1J maybe easier, and cheaper to install, but that is it periodl. This is not meant to discredit the 1j or slap 1j owners as you imply. It is merely a fact proven by the 2jz motor all on its own merrits!

:biglaugh: You are so out there. How come every Toyota or Lexus drift car I've ever seen has a 1jz in it? You are saying the 2jz is superior because of horsepower potential alone, but on an overall engine performance level I have to say you are mistaken.

And you are also mistaken about the 2jz being cheaper to drop in with a standalone then a new mk4 harness and the jdm ecu from the Aristo clip. I don't know where you are getting your info from on that. 1jz is soooooo much easier to install in an mk3, you are making light of the 2jz install to serve your own arguement.

[Big Wang Bandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoOyNJSUIzI

What now displacement man.


Was your last car a Chevelle with a 454?


This is so pointless to argue about.

[foreverpsycotic]

hells, we also do not have complete parts list, and dyno sheets so that vid, although nice, is worthless, sorry. it just shows a jza70 beating a jza80.

aaron, the 1jz has a higher rev limit, keeping the car in its poweband with the right turbo.

to end this 1j vs 2j argument, they both have their uses. in some areas, one is better than the other.

[Big Wang Bandit]

The thing is is this guy seems to think the 2JZ is superior in every way!

It cant be dethroned. He has a shrine built around one. Hell if I know. But it says simmilar mods. I assume exhaust and fuel.


Its a good motor. But this has been beaten toooo many times

Arguing on the internet is stupid

[bigaaron]

As soon as there is a disagreement everyone starts saying how the thread is going to hell, but what fun would it be if we all agreed?

The only thing that bugs me is the people who have the attitude that their engine of choice is "the best", so your engine must be inferior.
And in this case, it's almost exactly the same engines we are talking about, so I really can't see where the "superiority" thing could come from.
It's like you are saying you are superior to your brother because you are a inch taller. LOL

[Big Wang Bandit]

^ I agree.

Arguing your point is fun, Untill a point. At this point its all been stated, an everything has been laid out, and no one cared.


Im excited to put a CT-26 on my Car, I wanna be part of that fight!

Im sure if we had more people from Japan or Australia we would get some 1G loyalists too :rolleyes:

[claricae86]

hells wins! just like stated above all this bantering is kind of useless. at the end of the day youll have your 2j well have our 1js and we'll all be happy supra owners why not just leave it at that. it all boils down to preference, wallet, and your persoanl goals for your car thats it.

[foreverpsycotic]

As soon as there is a disagreement everyone starts saying how the thread is going to hell, but what fun would it be if we all agreed?

The only thing that bugs me is the people who have the attitude that their engine of choice is "the best", so your engine must be inferior.
And in this case, it's almost exactly the same engines we are talking about, so I really can't see where the "superiority" thing could come from.
It's like you are saying you are superior to your brother because you are a inch taller. LOL

there is no such thing as a universially best motor, only one that is best for someone. if someone wants to drag all the time, they might think a LS7 with twin gt42rs is best for them, but the guy who likes autox might want a 2jz-ge with intake, headers, tune and exhaust.

[JoeC]

im sure the 1jz has JUST as much potential as the 2jz, but lets face it. The consumer crowd that is purchasing the 1jz motors are buying them because of the cost. That is why you wont see any 1000 rwhp 1jz's.

I myself, prefer the 2jz over the 1jz because of visual asthetics and parts MADE for the 2jz. People say there are many parts for the 1jz, but lets face it.. most are rare and expensive and come from Japan. did i mention it is definantly more visually appealing? :biglaugh: I would pay the extra just for the looks alone.

[OneJoeZee]

People say there are many parts for the 1jz, but lets face it.. most are rare and expensive and come from Japan.
Wrong.

[bountykilla0118]

im sure the 1jz has JUST as much potential as the 2jz, but lets face it. The consumer crowd that is purchasing the 1jz motors are buying them because of the cost. That is why you wont see any 1000 rwhp 1jz's.

I myself, prefer the 2jz over the 1jz because of visual asthetics and parts MADE for the 2jz. People say there are many parts for the 1jz, but lets face it.. most are rare and expensive and come from Japan. did i mention it is definantly more visually appealing? :biglaugh: I would pay the extra just for the looks alone.


Let me put on my flame suit ..... If we took a 1jz and bolted on a gt35r would it create the same power as a the 2jz? 2.5 liters vs 3.0 liters? I could be hella wrong but i dont think they have the same potential.

The way i think of it is 2.5 liters of air and fuel will never be the same as 3.0liters of air and fuel keep in mind the motors are very similar. To put it simply power is the amount of air and fuel going into the engine with good spark and going out.

Feel free to correct me and hey quickstike i am on ur side :) but its not what you say its how you say it

[bigaaron]

The way I see it, the 1jz is actually a stronger platform.
Forget the 2j nutswinging for just a sec while you read this:

So you have two engines with the same size main and rod bearings, and the same diameter cams. Now on one engine you make the rods longer, the crank journals further apart for more stroke, and the deck taller. Isn't that going to make it physically weaker in terms of maximum hp per liter? You also have higher piston speeds at any given rpm, and the pistons/rings also travel more distance per crank revolution (read:more wear). The only way the 2jz would be proportionately stronger is if the dimensions of all the engine internals were increased.
Remember, the 1jz was first, and then Toyota decided to make an engine with more displacement to keep up with the hp output of other manufacturers engines. The only other way would have been more boost on the 1j, but that was obviously not an option for a production engine already at ~12psi stock.

For this reason, I argue, the 1jz is better from an overall strength and longevity standpoint at the hp levels most peoples engines will be at.

The 1jz,to me, is closer to the optimum piston engine design. When I think optimum engine design, I also think rb26.


I invite any well thought out arguements to this.

[p5150]

You guys missed the boat with the 2jzGE-T swap. If you are going big single it is cheaper and has more potential than the 1j or 7M.

[bountykilla0118]

The 1jz,to me, is closer to the optimum piston engine design. When I think optimum engine design, I also think rb26.

Yes very same in setup ... I remember watching a clip of a modded 2jz and rb and the guy was saying how the skyline felt faster b/c of the way it rev-ed through the gears and how responsive the rb was compared to the 2jz

[bountykilla0118]

You guys missed the boat with the 2jzGE-T swap. If you are going big single it is cheaper and has more potential than the 1j or 7M.

lol i hope u have your suit on :)

[DETONATION666]

Are there allot more highly modded 2js then 1js? alltogether?

[bigaaron]

Are there allot more highly modded 2js then 1js? alltogether?

Sure in the US, because they came in cars that are now selling for $25,000+ that are up to 14 years old, so for the most part 2jz's are owned by people with lots of money to spend, or people who rack up lots of credit debt. Either way, those are the people who are likely to drop big money into their engine.

[outofstep]

I was just wondering why so many people like the 1J better than the 2J motor. It's half a liter smaller, so why would it be better? Thanks.

It's not a preference, it's an issue of cost and ease of swap. If a 2JZ was as easy to swap in as a 1JZ and cost the same, no one would be running 1Js.

[7MsAreForKids]

lol.. Man, its hard to find the good posts in this thread.. there are a few though.

There are many reasons to run a 1J over a 2J.. But none of them have to do with strength or power potential. The 2J is equal to the 1J in strength, and exceeds the 1J in power potential.

The reasons ppl choose the 1J should be crystal clear! Money & plug & play! Although the 2J is a pretty straight forward swap, it does take a little more knowledge to execute it properly.. Even then most guys end up running 1J electronics! lol

The displacement argument has invaded this forum and SF over the past few years and it is just plain DUMB!!! Why? Well think about it.. The reason we say "Technology, the only replacement for displacement" is because of all the domestic pushrod guys making 350whp with 383 cubic inches.. lol YES the 2J has more potential to make power 100% based on its DISPLACEMENT, .5L larger than the 1J.. WHY? Because it shares the EXACT SAME TECHNOLOGY!! And I am not just talking about COP and ECU's here.. Technology to me is the entire design of the engine. So yea.. if you could build a 3.8, 4.0, whatever JZ and it retained the same engine dynamics, the power potential would just keep going up along with displacement and boost.. Well, until the rods got so long they snapped under thier own weight.. lol

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

^^boost, the replacement for displacement.

[Brewster]

^^boost, the replacement for displacement.

until one gets in a 7m vs 1j vs 2j argument.

[Reign_Maker]

a mod aught go through this thread and delete the useless shit.Doin it now... Be nice... I dont want anymore compaint emails about this one...

Bah, well, seems one of my othere brother locked it, so, I'll think about cleaning it later and unlocking it... I got through one page before I about cringed over... Where's the hostility and drama coming from?

[ma71supraturbo]

This thread has been heavily edited by me (and reign). I'm sure I've made some people upset by deleting posts, so feel free to send me a PM to get my explanation.

In the future: Please keep it civil, and please keep it on topic. If you want to make a post that doesn't met those two criteria, please take it to PM

[OneJoeZee]

If someone wanted to trade me straight up for a 2J, I wouldn't take it.

aight peace :chicken:

[soapra]

If someone wanted to trade me straight up for a 2J, I wouldn't take it.

aight peace :chicken:


Amen! and I have two at the shop!

[mattjk]

I don't know wtf you people are talking about, especially 7m people that have never driven a 1jz. I love mine, especially the long nice powerband.

[Brewster]

I don't know wtf you people are talking about, especially 7m people that have never driven a 1jz. I love mine, especially the long nice powerband.

but dude, you don't have any torqqqqqqqque.:biglaugh:

[claricae86]

im glad you mods really take pride in kepping the forum where it should be i would hate to see sm run down with bs and bad attitudes like sf, all in all supramania ftw 123456jz ftw

[tissimo]

but dude, you don't have any torqqqqqqqque.:biglaugh:
without boost they are torquless wonders.. seriously.. the stock twins hid that fact cause they come on so fast..

2.5L can only do so much.. lol.. bigger is better.. unless you just want a bpu car.. then stock twin 1j is a cheap fun ride imo..

[The Reaper]

i prefer the 2J for making big power

i've rode in a 67mm 1J and a stock twin'd 1J

the stock twin'd was ALOT more fun than the big single. took too long to build boost and it can't get out of its own way when its not in boost...

plus there is no replacement for displacement..... why do you think the 2J guys are going to 3.4 liters now?????

[Supra]

I'm going to swap a 4A-GE into a MKIII and then I'll be pulling 40MPG CITY and I'll be totally unique. How's about them apples. :biglaugh:

[wingman]

...this thread makes me want to buy an LS7

[supra90turbo]

1G-GTE FTMFW.

[thedave925]

I'm going to swap a 4A-GE into a MKIII and then I'll be pulling 40MPG CITY and I'll be totally unique. How's about them apples. :biglaugh:

That'd be cool if there ever was such a concept as "city driving" where you don't stop and no uphill streets. Seriously, we need torque so we don't rev to the moon going over hills. Revving wastes gas and wears the engine.

I would pick the 2J for legality reasons here in Smog-Nazi Kommyfornia
My .02
-Dave

[tissimo]

I'm going to swap a 4A-GE into a MKIII and then I'll be pulling 40MPG CITY and I'll be totally unique. How's about them apples. :biglaugh:
better lose about 2k lbs out of the mkiii to get good gasmilage..

[RacerXJ220]

Just stroke the 1JZ. They make a kit, I saw a few on Ebay. Seems new and should work.

I think it was called a 2JZ-GE.

[bigaaron]

Don't blame the engine because people don't put the right size turbo on it. That says more about the owner then the engine. Put a t88 on a 2jz and it's a laggy sob too.

[claricae86]

put a 4ag in there, ill give one to you, 98 hp ftw

[Doward]

Aaron's right on just about all accounts, guys. I really don't know where all the hostility over which engine is in one's Supra comes from - wingman's got the right idea, though ;)

[Brewster]

Don't blame the engine because people don't put the right size turbo on it. That says more about the owner then the engine. Put a t88 on a 2jz and it's a laggy sob too.

inorite

[Reign_Maker]

This thread has been heavily edited by me (and reign).
Thanks... I made it through a page and it made me too sleepy... ;)

[JoeC]

onejoezee,

Prove me wrong! Don't say 2jz or 7m parts that FIT on the 1jz. I believe there is not a HUGE aftermarket support for the 1jz as there is for the 2jz. Is there huge selections of down pipes, turbo manifolds, intake manifolds *SPECIFICALLY* for the 1jz? I don't see many.

[bigaaron]

Come on now, I make a down pipe, BIC makes a downpipe, HKS makes a downpipe, Greddy makes a downpipe....
Then theres the Ebay AND the Australian y-pipe

There are at least 4 different turbo manifolds readily available, for t3 and t4 turbos.

Intake manifold? Why? It already has a ffi, and if you really want custom them you just make a phone call and order one.

I have complete gasket kits, Greddy timing belts, 2 different power steering hoses, hydrofan hoses will be ready next week, I will make harness jumpers if you send the connectors (not possible for a 2jz swap), catback is the same as 7m.

There is PLENTY of aftermarket support for the 1jz.

[Reign_Maker]

Drift motion, for all your 1J needs... :) http://store.driftmotion.com/accountlogin.php?sid=145b03019d1cf0

[Brewster]

Come on now, I make a down pipe, BIC makes a downpipe, HKS makes a downpipe, Greddy makes a downpipe....
Then theres the Ebay AND the Australian y-pipe

There are at least 4 different turbo manifolds readily available, for t3 and t4 turbos.

Intake manifold? Why? It already has a ffi, and if you really want custom them you just make a phone call and order one.

I have complete gasket kits, Greddy timing belts, 2 different power steering hoses, hydrofan hoses will be ready next week, I will make harness jumpers if you send the connectors (not possible for a 2jz swap), catback is the same as 7m.

There is PLENTY of aftermarket support for the 1jz.

yeah but where can i get a 1j flux capacitor?

[OneJoeZee]

onejoezee,

Prove me wrong! Don't say 2jz or 7m parts that FIT on the 1jz. I believe there is not a HUGE aftermarket support for the 1jz as there is for the 2jz. Is there huge selections of down pipes, turbo manifolds, intake manifolds *SPECIFICALLY* for the 1jz? I don't see many.
Why don't you do some better research before being so sure about your assumptions of the 1J aftermarket since you're so experienced with the engine. oh wait, you don't even have one. Aaron just did the research for you.

Aaron and jose just made a whole freaking turbo kit for suprahero with a GT35R. MTR and MVP have fuel systems for the 1J for the higher power applications. Driftmotion is working on a standalone. ebay has parts all the time. the FS section also has 1J parts (more SF than here). there's spare 1J engines galore in the US should you need one. What else do you need that's so hard and difficult to find?

aight peace :chicken:

why is it that everyone who always says it's hard to get parts for a 1J doesn't even have one?

[oscolivar1]

maybe he thot were talking about 1g:dunno:

there a lot of aftermarket 1j marts

[JoeC]

can you say there are more 1j aftermarket parts than the 2j? And, why does every one who owns a 1j feel they are better than 7m members? jesus, you shouldnt bring up the "you shouldnt talk cause you dont own one"..

[OneJoeZee]

can you say there are more 1j aftermarket parts than the 2j? And, why does every one who owns a 1j feel they are better than 7m members? jesus, you shouldnt bring up the "you shouldnt talk cause you dont own one"..



sure, the 2J has more aftermarket parts. but that was not the point of your arguement. You were implying 1J parts are hard to find and many have to be sourced from Japan which just isn't true. 2J has more aftermarket than a 7M as well.

never once did I say I thought i was better than you because you don't have one. so don't pull that card. thread doesn't need to be locked again so don't start with that. no one here with a 1j said anything of the sort. I brought it up because someone with a 1J would most likely know more about it than someoen who doesn't have one. I don't know a ton of info about the maf-t pros the 7M guys are using now. When that came about as more mainstream I already ditched mine. It doesn't really concern me that much so I don't know a whole lot about it other than the basics. Same as you don't have a 1J. Apparently it doesn't concern you enough to research what's really available for it.

[stan]

1j is a nice engine. 7m is a nice engine. 2j is a nice engine. some people put one nice engine in their car. other people put a different nice engine in their car. they are all made by toyota. they are all turbocharged. they all fit into a supra.

group hug.

:beer:

[bigaaron]

stan ftw!

[wingman]

wingman's got the right idea, though ;)


damn right I do...hell even the LS2 is hard to argue with for the price you can pick one up for anymore. Forgive me for not being a purist but I'll take 400+ cubic inches of non-ferrous goodness in my supra over a 2JZ anyday. Hell gimme a few GT30's to go with it and I'll pick on MkIV's all day long.



but while were on the topic of engine swaps, anybody thought about the 1GZ-FE yet? I'd love to rev one of those suckers up to 10K!

[soapra]

... And, why does every one who owns a 1j feel they are better than 7m members? jesus, you shouldnt bring up the "you shouldnt talk cause you dont own one"..


Everyone that swaps a 1jz in to a Supra (A70) had a 7M at one point! I'm sure we all talk from experience. I'm sure you feel we are better, but most of the people on the Internet don’t know much about it. We get phone calls every day about how some company sold them an X harness with Y ecu and they don’t plug in at all. We try to educate people on the JZ motors, but there is still allot of wrong Info out there.

[Brewster]

Everyone that swaps a 1jz in to a Supra (A70) had a 7M at one point! I'm sure we all talk from experience. I'm sure you feel we are better, but most of the people on the Internet don’t know much about it. We get phone calls every day about how some company sold them an X harness with Y ecu and they don’t plug in at all. We try to educate people on the JZ motors, but there is still allot of wrong Info out there.

I've never owned a 7m, went straight to a 1JZ. I have driven one before though. :icon_razz

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

damn right I do...hell even the LS2 is hard to argue with for the price you can pick one up for anymore. Forgive me for not being a purist but I'll take 400+ cubic inches of non-ferrous goodness in my supra over a 2JZ anyday. Hell gimme a few GT30's to go with it and I'll pick on MkIV's all day long.



but while were on the topic of engine swaps, anybody thought about the 1GZ-FE yet? I'd love to rev one of those suckers up to 10K!
Uhh isn't the LS2 a 364CI motor? :D **is ready to stand corrected**

PS--I know you can stroke/bore one, but that wasn't stated. I say THROW A 454 IN THAT BEAST! Or even the LS7--427 SMALL BLOCK...fuckin right doggy :)

[Nick M]

Front facing manifold does mean more CFM, it only means shorter intercooler piping. You need a larger plenum and shorter runners to increase CFM. And that will decrease intake velocity and low end grunt.

Of coure, the effect is not as dramatic as when you do it on a naturally aspirated engine.

[Doward]

Uhh isn't the LS2 a 364CI motor? :D **is ready to stand corrected**

PS--I know you can stroke/bore one, but that wasn't stated. I say THROW A 454 IN THAT BEAST! Or even the LS7--427 SMALL BLOCK...fuckin right doggy :)


He was talking about the LS7 originally :D

And yes, I'd physically catapult any other engine out of my Supra, to drop an LS7 in there. :aigo:

[RHDMK3]

LS7's are sex! I heard that the General is coming out with a Corvette SS with a Supercharged LS7. 600 Ponies!! I guess they are testing it out because the '08 Vipers are coming out with 600 HP. But back to the topic at hand.. I guess it depends on where I lived as to which engine I prefered, here in Japan, the 1JZ both hands down! In the States I'd probably just stick with 7M-GTE. I say this because 1: I am to lazy to swap the engine. 2: The amount of hp the 1JZ put's out(280 HP I believe) vs. the 7M's 240 or so hp, isn't to me anyways, worth the dollar amount that it would cost to buy the 1J and then have it swapped in. There is only like a 40 hp or so difference between the two engines.

[bigaaron]

Stock for stock, both with only an upgraded exhaust, the 1jz makes almost 100 WHP more then a 7m-gte.

The difference is that the 7m-gte, rated at 227hp, makes about 200-210 whp with an exhaust.

The 1jz, on the other hand, makes about 280hp at the wheels with an exhaust. We've had a few that made as high as 300 whp.

Now people say "well you can just turn up the boost on the 7m and make 300whp", but I can tell you from much experience, that a 300whp 1jz will run circles around a 300whp 7m. Not to mention that the 1jz would outlast that 300whp 7m in any type of endurance test.

[JoeC]

^^ is that directly related to the flow of the heads, or perhaps the twin turbos compared to the single ct26?

[bigaaron]

A little of both. But there also numerous other advances that were made on the 1jz.

The 7m was good in it's time, but the 1jz was ahead of it's time. :icon_wink

[JoeC]

they still gave it the ugly touch :icon_razz

[bigaaron]

That's debateable... LOL

[bobiseverywhere]

they still gave it the ugly touch :icon_razz

LOL

[Mr.PFloyd]

aaron, you're not talking about getting rid of the stock elbow are you? because ive seen a few locals run 250ish with exhaust and intake only, and we all know the intake isn't the biggest issue on these cars.

[bigaaron]

aaron, you're not talking about getting rid of the stock elbow are you? because ive seen a few locals run 250ish with exhaust and intake only, and we all know the intake isn't the biggest issue on these cars.

I wasn't considering the elbow as a basic exhaust upgrade, but then if you change the elbow, it would only be fair to put a y-pipe on the 1jz, and it could make closer to 330whp in that case, from what I hear. I haven't dyno'd a 1jz with a y-pipe upgrade yet myself.

[Mr.PFloyd]

I wasn't considering the elbow as a basic exhaust upgrade, but then if you change the elbow, it would only be fair to put a y-pipe on the 1jz, and it could make closer to 330whp in that case, from what I hear. I haven't dyno'd a 1jz with a y-pipe upgrade yet myself.
fair enough, even though the y pipe is nowhere close to restriction as the 7m elbow does...

[OneJoeZee]

fair enough, even though the y pipe is nowhere close to restriction as the 7m elbow does...

proof?

[Mr.PFloyd]

proof?
ive seen my brothers personally and i have 3 ct ones lying around. thats all i need as far as proof.

[OneJoeZee]

Ok, well I say it's just as restrictive.

[Reign_Maker]

Hell gimme a few GT30's to go with it and I'll pick on MkIV's all day long!When I get done with my 7M, Im gunna go pick on some MKIVs... :D:D:D Cuz Im a dick like dat...