MKIII Wilwood 13 inch 4 piston front brakes

[arz]

THIS IS A BOLT ON KIT!!! All you need to complete the install is brake fluid and tools.

CLICK HERE TO SEE THE REAR BRAKE KIT (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33805)

Our kit consists of:

2, 13 inch diameter x 1.38 inch thick directional curved vane Wilwood rotors
2, Rotor hats, specifically made to fit the MKIII hub (These will include all the grade 8 fasteners)
2, Wilwood 4 piston "Forged" Superlite Calipers
2, Caliper brackets and "press fit" threaded inserts installed
2, Brake lines "braided stainless steel" with all the required fasteners to install in the factory brake line retainers.
4, Brake pads, Wilwood Street Compound = low dust = excellent cold performance

And all the EXACT fasteners required to make this a bolt on kit.

I started this thread to advertise my Wilwood BBK and get the word on the street before Vegas. Now I have edited the post to reflect the current price. As you can see from Big Aarons post (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362086&postcount=48)you wont be disappointed in the quality of this kit. Currently in stock 12/22/06

Also notice this (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=395701&postcount=116) post, in it HamsMKIII breaks down all of my competition. You can get a quick run down on how my kit stacks up against the other guys.

If you want a sample of how fast these brakes can stop your vehicle, please contact me for a test ride, and I will promptly HANG YOU ON THE BELTS. I do not recommend doing repeated brake demos if you dont have new motor mounts...IM 100% SERIOUS!!!!

You have never felt a Supra stop like this. You wont be disappointed in these brakes.

Heres the install thread Wilwood front brake install thread (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35175)

Now for the price $1195!!! plus shipping and handling.

Please Email arizonaperformance@cox.net or call 480 861 0586

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_13_inch/CIMG6444_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)

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http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_13_inch/CIMG6447_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)

[IJ.]

Well worth a look guys! :D

[supra90turbo]

Holy hell! those are niiiiiiiice.....

What's the "regular" price? I'm not going to vegas, nor would my car even if I was... But I like the kit, and would be interested in buying it at some point.

::edit:: I was just staring at these pictures some more, and remembering when I was pricing out good pads, ss brake lines, and good slotted rotors... anyone who can buy this kit, please do. This is a smokin deal for sure.

[born2drv]

ya what's the regular price? i can't go to vegas but i'd love to get a set eventually.... also, any chance the calipers come in different colors like red?

[arz]

You know, I have been working on these for so long that I havent really thought of how much I should charge. I just knew I could make a great kit!!!

I just got done running the numbers and I figured I could charge a couple bucks more and wait for the orders to "trickle" in or I could keep it as low as possible and try to get my development costs back as soon as possible.

I am going to introduce these at $1195 plus shipping (should be around $50 bucks)

This is truely a bolt on kit, no catches what so ever, you buy my kit and you install it. You DONT buy this bracket then some stock rotors and have the center machined out then try to find some brake lines that kinda fit with some adaptors.

This kit is everything you need to send your un-buckled occupants sailing out of their seats.

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Which calipers are they 4 or 6 piston. I need 6 piston calipers and rotors for my jim king kit let me know I called you today

[arz]

They are 4 piston calipers.

There are so many options from Wilwood on parts, I will check but I Highly doubt you NEED 6 pistons (these 4 piston calipers work amazingly well) but would be happy to sell them to you. I dont have my price list with me I will check tomorrow. If I remember the caliper is like $150 a piece more per caliper so for reference add like $300 to the price kit. I will confirm tomorrow if the caliper mounting tabs and offset will fit with my bracket. If it dosent your looking at another expense and delay.

[tissimo]

damn i so wish i had the extra money they look nice! and damn good price too! but im not going to vegas

thats weird slots going both ways.. lol

[QWIKSTRIKE]

They are 4 piston calipers.

There are so many options from Wilwood on parts, I will check but I Highly doubt you NEED 6 pistons (these 4 piston calipers work amazingly well) but would be happy to sell them to you. I dont have my price list with me I will check tomorrow. If I remember the caliper is like $150 a piece more per caliper so for reference add like $300 to the price kit. I will confirm tomorrow if the caliper mounting tabs and offset will fit with my bracket. If it dosent your looking at another expense and delay.



I saw them at speed toyz for 275.00 each but his site is down and I need them.
A few guys here have the 4 pistons and said thet wished they had the 6 piston calipers

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

O_O Holy SHIT! Those are SECKSAY! Now do an "Endless USA" kit!!! DO EET!

(disguised bump for a GREAT price :))

[90T04]

I have heard things about having to pump the brake pedal a couple of times to achieve full braking when big brakes are installed on a MK3. Is this an issue at all with these brakes?

Thanks, Ryan

[IJ.]

Maybe if it's a VERY bad install...... :nono:

[ranger2339]

Wow i will be getting one of these kits this winter, awsome deal!!!


Ax

[arz]

IJ is correct. If you dont know how to properly bleed 4 piston calipers or if you dont size the Master cylinder to the Caliper pistons properly, that can happen. But I did all the volume calculations before I ever installed these things and they worked perfect from the first application of the brakes. Of course as with any racing brake set up you want to go out and bed them in right away. I live very close to a road where I could get it up to speed and bed the pads in with in the first couple of miles.

NO you do not need to pump the brakes once. My wife drives the car with absolutely no problems. It seems to have a very small 5-10% less pedal effort and amazingly effortless modulation.

For Non ABS vehicles you will be blown away with the top speed deceleration, be careful!!! With ABS vehicles the ABS works perfectly, shockingly good, you dont even have to be a good driver. Just stand on em at (what you think is the) last possible moment and you make the corner without even so much as a noise from the tires "going around the corner" because you slowed down so much more than you thought you could/would.

Ryan come on up here to Mesa and I will take you for a test drive. Or if your going to Vegas look for me, a lot of the local Supra Guys know who I am. Then you can see for yourself.

[Stu_22]

Can you do me a price shipped to the UK. If the $ weakens a bit more against the £ i maybe interested.

[daledoe]

Dam, Thats a nice brake kit.

[Selz202]

Your killing me Arz! I still need to get that cps cover... now i need to figure this into my "budget"...

[arz]

Stu: Im working on a shipping price to the UK can you PM me your address?

Turbo. Targa. Life.: Whats a "Endless USA" kit!!!?

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

Endless USA is another Big Brake Kit manufacturer, like wilwood :) I think they're calipers are secksay blue

[bluemax]

What about a rear 4 piston kit?

[arz]

bluemax:
What about a rear 4 piston kit?

Its in the works, its about 6 weeks out!!!

Yes I will make matching front and rear kits

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

:love: full BBK for the supra...that is teh hawtness. I want.

[blackgamer16]

Its in the works, its about 6 weeks out!!!

Yes I will make matching front and rear kits

How much would it be for a complete kit( Front + Rear). Just a ball park figure?

Blackgamer16

[arz]

I have the rear kit in the works and will get them to market ASAP My best estimates on a time frame are a month to 6 weeks, I will rush it as much as possible.

My best estimates on price are all over the board. My main goal is to retain the stock parking brake, this will require more engineering and maybe more parts if I use a custom 2 piece rotor assembly. One of my options might be to use the stock rotor and this would really cut the cost if customers had the option to use their stock rear rotor hats.

I will keep you posted on new rear brakes for sure.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

eww old rotors FTL--new BIGGER rotors FTMFW! Lets get 15" up front and 13" in the back :naughty:

[arz]

If I did a stock rear rotor kit I would Bright zinc plate the stock rotor and sell em new with slots or something. Its just a thought. Then only way I will use the stock rotor is if I have to, to retain the stock parking brake. If thats the case I will offer an upgrade kit with a parking brake delete and a line lock and bias adjuster for the rear brakes. like this

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG3323_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)

Also after rears is 14 inch fronts if I get the demand. The problem with 14's is the rotors are like 300 more for the pair and calipers are like 400+ for the pair. Dont quote me on prices but they are a crazy money increase in price.

[bluemax]

I have the rear kit in the works and will get them to market ASAP My best estimates on a time frame are a month to 6 weeks, I will rush it as much as possible.

My best estimates on price are all over the board. My main goal is to retain the stock parking brake, this will require more engineering and maybe more parts if I use a custom 2 piece rotor assembly. One of my options might be to use the stock rotor and this would really cut the cost if customers had the option to use their stock rear rotor hats.

I will keep you posted on new rear brakes for sure.


I'll be waiting.

[kwnate]

Also after rears is 14 inch fronts if I get the demand. The problem with 14's is the rotors are like 300 more for the pair and calipers are like 400+ for the pair. Dont quote me on prices but they are a crazy money increase for only a slight increase in performance and a big increase in weight and hastle (hastle = you have to have them balanced and fly-cut not turned like at autozone or NAPA)Not to mention you'll need 18's to clear them.

Great looking product, If I didn't have a BBK already I'd be on the list. Thanks for making these :) Whats next!?!

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

18's are fine...I plan on going with 18's anyway :evil2:
I'd be fine with 13's all the way around though. Hell whatta I know I've never even driven my soup...

[Mr. Sinister]

Do the Wilwood calipers you're using have dust boots? This is the only reason why I've shyed away from kits using Wilwoods in the past. A kit using AP calipers would be awesome. Regardless of this, it's a very good looking kit.

[arz]

Mr. Sinister:
Do the Wilwood calipers you're using have dust boots?

I have seen this concern/arguement before. To that I say "DUST BOOTS are just that DUST BOOTS! If 1400PSI of brake fluid cant get past the piston seal what is it you think a DUST SEAL is going to keep out? If you said "water, dirt, grime, and rust" then you are not a good cantidate for a big brake kit. If you spend this much money on brakes and are not rally racing them I dont see the need. If you pay so little attention to a part you spent so much money on as to let it rust or get packed with grime then you shouldnt buy a BBK.

If you are going to be a "typical" soccor mom driver (no offence to soccer moms that drive Supras) and "buy it and drive it" then you wouldnt have purchased a Supra in the first place.

I can attest to the durability and longevity of Wilwood brakes as I have had them on one of my cars for over 10 years with "no problems what so ever" and know several people that can say the same.

I have rebuilt many calipers and NONE of them were Wilwoods. My supplier has been selling Wilwoods for over 20 years and in that time he has sold only 2 customers rebuild kits, One guy still has the kits in his tool box "Just in case!" and the other left the line lock accidentally ON for 2 laps at the track (apparently he did a warm up lap, never using the brakes then he started to roll on the throttle and noticed the car was down on power came into the pits and the rear brakes were smoking) he rebuilt the calipers and has been running them since. He NEEDED to rebuild them but he didnt need dust boots.

If my supplier has sold Wilwoods for 20 years and never had an incident where a dust seal would have saved a caliper then Im pretty confident you wont need a dust cover. Unless you are going to drive your Supra to and from work in the slush and snow and salt you wont need dust covers. If you ARE going to drive your car to work daily in the slush and snow and salt I would rather not sell you a BBK.

THESE ARE RACING BRAKES not for daily drivers. Daily driving will never tax these brakes to their limit, unless you are going to drive them in the slush and snow and salt daily and NEVER clean them.

I hope that is not the only reason you would decide against Wilwoods. Please contact me if you change your mind.

[Mr. Sinister]

I hope that is not the only reason you would decide against Wilwoods.

Unfortunately, it is. I hate to admit it, but my car spends most of its time sitting in my garage instead of being driven. Rust would eventually become a problem.

If you are going to be a "typical" soccor mom driver (no offence to soccer moms that drive Supras) and "buy it and drive it" then you wouldnt have purchased a Supra in the first place.

No, what I shouldn't have done was mod the crap out of it. ;)

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

...the other left the line lock accidentally ON for 2 laps at the track (apparently he did a warm up lap, never using the brakes then he started to roll on the throttle and noticed the car was down on power came into the pits and the rear brakes were smoking)...
AFAIK a line lock locks your front brakes...not the rear.

[arz]

I grew up in Michigan so I know what you mean. Rust has an unbelievable attraction for anything left unmaintained.

My supplier has dozens of customers in the rust belt and has no real reported cases of pistons rusting and seizing in the bores. Many of his customers have race cars and street cars and and every one of those race cars sit in storage all winter just like (im sure) your does.

I wish you the best of luck with what ever brakes you get. I know how difficult it is to keep a car nice back there.

AFAIK a line lock locks your front brakes...not the rear.
I dont know what AFAIK means but only dragracers put line locks on the front. Road racers and some serious street folks use a line lock for the rear as a temporary parking brake. These are for temporary parking brakes only.

Well Maybe Honda dragracers put em on the rear too?!?! "HONDA"-"DRAGRACERS" hehe, always makes me laugh.

[supramad77]

Nice looking kit got me wanting it now.
I had a real scare just the other day doing about 80mph around a corner only to find a tractor and trailer in the middle of the road about 80 feet ahead of me. Up until that day i thought the stock brakes were good but belive me i was close to a head on and had to stand on the brakes. Took me way longer to stop than i would have liked.

[turbogate]

When exactly will the Front kit be available? is it exactly as pictured? One of the reasons I always had my mind set on the 6 pistons was that while its the performance that matters, I never liked how the 4 pistons calipers of other kits looked. But this caliper style looks like the 6 pistons one. Lastly are the brake lines included?

Thanks

[IJ.]

6 Piston kits on street tires have never made much sense to me as once you cross the threshold and lock it doesn't matter if you have 2 or 30 pistons, this threshold happens earlier on 6 pot/street rubber.....

[Blackfin]

Arz,

Looks very nice. What is included in the kit and what must be bought separately?

Jim

[arz]

THIS IS A BOLT ON KIT. It is exactly as pictured. They are available right now, I have these in stock.

All you need is brake fluid and tools to complete this install.

Our kit consists of:

2, 13 inch Wilwood rotors
2, Rotor hats the shiney center piece (These will include all the grade 8 fasteners)
2, Wilwood 4 piston "forged" Superlite Calipers
2, Caliper brackets and "press fit" threaded inserts
2, Brake lines "braided stainless steel" with all the required retainers to work as the factory brake line.
4, Wilwood Street Compound = low dust = excellent cold performance

And all the EXACT fasteners required to make this a bolt on kit.

I have these kits in stock, please contact me with any specific questions.

[SupraSpeed]

one more question, where would i find an upgraded master cylinder for this bbk....

[arz]

SupraSpeed:
one more question, where would i find an upgraded master cylinder for this bbk....
You dont need one, the Wilwood kit I have installed on another vehicle (the 240Z) has a 24 mm master cylinder and it does fine. Since the MK3 master cylinder is 28 mm there is no need to upgrade the master cylinder. The brake feel is perfect. You really will be blown away by how stock they feel until you really get into them.

[turbogate]

Couple of last questions, About the rotors, will they come slotted by default? or do we have an option of cross drilled, drilled/slotted etc. I would be interested in slotted, but I am asking for everyone. And also since you mentioned Zinc platted etc, are the rotors in the kit treated? I just want to make sure of thedifferent options if any that we will have.

Thanks
Greg

[arz]

^^^You sir are well informed customer^^^

Thanks for all the detailed questions... SERIOUSLY!!!

As for the rotors, NO there will be no options on them, Im sorry this is what keeps the costs down. They are not cross drilled I will cover this later. I will not offer an option to cross drill them in the future. Slotted?!?!... Yes they will be slotted just as they came from Wilwood. Zinc plating on the rotors, Im sorry at this time I am not plating or offering plating on the rotors. If this becomes a highly requested option in the future I might offer it. The gold zinc plating I refer to is for all the fasteners. I have a "Batch Lot" of fasteners all gold zinc plated specifically for my kits. If you look around it is impossible to find Socket head cap screws (Allen head bolts) gold zinc plated. They look bitchen!!! There are a few washers that are not Gold zinc plated and this is so the customer can tell the difference between metric and SAE parts. 12mm and 7/16-20 fasteners are very close in size and I didnt want any confusion.

This kit and the lack of options is a direct reflection of the price and I believe directly correlated to the consistency of my kit.

A lot of thought has gone into this kit and Im glad to see someone asking all the correct questions. When you recieve your kit the only surprise will be how amazingly well your car stops.

Thank you Greg for asking such good questions!!!

[IJ.]

Andy: Full marks for NOT offering crossdrilled! :)

[JustAnotherVictim]

I would love to get a set, but they are way out of my price range for now.

[bosco659]

ARZ, I started looking for a BBK this summer and bought some parts already. I am looking for a pair of 4 piston Wilwood calipers to help complete my set up. This set up uses a 13" x 1.25" rotor. Can you get these for me and at what cost? The parts that I do have already are from the Jim King BBK and requires a lug mounted caliper with a 3.5" mounting hole center. I believe that I have the correct Wilwood part numbers. I will PM the part numbers to you. Can you help me out?

Thanks!

Vic

[RacerXJ220]

It's about time someone did a BBK for this price, kudos to you. I appreciate what you have contributed and offer to the MK3 community.

I cannot purchase these brakes at this time due to me spending a BUTT load on my 1JZ into my 1983 supra.

This price is SO good. Vote of support to you!

[bigaaron]

Holy shit, these are NICE!!!!!!

I met Andy in Vegas and checked out his brake kit. I looked at it for about 10 seconds before saying "I need to find a bank to pull out some cash!"

If anyone has any question in their mind about Andy's experience, knowledge or resources I can honestly say you are not going to find better from anyone building custom parts for Supras, period. He has thought out this kit in every detail, he has tested it throughly, and the quality of the machine work and parts are unbeatable. He even has DOT aproved brake lines included :aigo: The pics really don't do the kit justice, in person it looks like it was made for a F50.

I got a test drive and all I can say is WOW.

He did not give me a discount or ask me to say any of this. I paid $1195 for the kit. It's worth the money. I was just so happy to see another Supra enthusiast making custom parts for mk3 that are second to none and sold at a great price.

Andy, it was cool hanging out in Vegas with you!

I just got home from Vegas a few hours ago, but here's a few pics.
I'll try to get them installed one night this week, but maybe it will be this weekend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/th_DSCF3930.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/DSCF3930.jpg)
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[arz]

Aaron

Thanks for the glowing words of appreciation. Now I feel like a heal for not giving you a discount!!!!

I can only reassure you that you will be rewarded with a smile everytime you hang your passenger on the belts and haul that car down from speed in a shorter distance than you ever thought possible.

I have already given several test drives and I didnt notice that one of my occupants was not belted in. When they almost sunk their teeth into my dash board the shock of my almost injuring a passenger and their disbelief and embarasment that they could be catapulted that hard/far by just the brakes. Was very entertaining.... in retrospect.

Please make sure your passengers are belted properly!!!

Once you install those things you will understand why I thouroghly recommend making sure your motor mounts are brand new.

Aaron thank you again for your glowing recommendation, and again please call if you have any questions.

Andy Z

[supra90turbo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/th_DSCF3930.jpg

you're so happy! lmao that's exactly what I'd be doing :D

[IJ.]

Explains the lipstick marks on my JE's when they arrived ;)!

[arz]

I recently received several questions via email and PM that I would like to share with everybody I feel sharing with everybody will answer some more questions.

Q, What is the thickness of the rotors?
A, They are 1.375 thick these are monsters and just one of the things that set my kit apart from Bling brakes.

Q, Are they directional?
A, Yes they are directional.

Q, Are they Wilwood stock part so replacement part is readily available?
A, The rotors ARE Wilwood parts so yes they are readily available, also they are much higher quality than most, Wilwood dynamically balances these during machining. I have yet to install a set that needed post balancing.

Q. Are the rotor hats aluminum?
A, Yes the rotor hats are 6061 T6 blanks I have them machined to my specifications

Q, Did you buy blanks and machine them?
A, Yes I have them machined, this is OUR part you will not find this design from anyone else.

Q, What do you mean by "press fit" threaded inserts on the caliper brackets?
A, Our caliper brackets come with Press fit threaded inserts so none of the caliper bolts thread into aluminum. The "Caliper Bracket" bolts on to the original caliper ears then the threaded insert receives the bolt that goes thru the Wilwood caliper ears so you don't have to fumble with a nut on the inside of the caliper and rotor. Its very nice and all fits perfect.

Q, I would not use the Wilwood Street Compound pads. Would you delete this from the kit for a cost savings?
A, If you plan on using this vehicle as a "Track Only" vehicle I will be glad to sell you the Wilwood race or intermediate pads that go with these calipers, I will have to check my prices but it will probably be a $10 to $20 up charge.

If you even think of driving this car on the street what I recommend is getting the street pads and an extra set of race pads. Just swap in the race pads when you go to the track. These calipers are perfect for that, you don't even need to remove the calipers. Just pull the bridge bolt and slide the old pads out and slide the new ones in, replace the bridge bolt and your out on the track.

The problem is the race and intermediate pads make much more noise than the street pads. If you drive these real mellow you put the exact amount of heat into them to make them squeak like hell. My wife drives this brake kit with the street pads and even when cold, she feels they work better than the stock ones with slightly less pedal effort. There is a shocking difference between the two pads when they are warm.

Q, Are you actively working on a rear set and what is approximate time frame for its availability?
A, Yes I am actively working on a rear set and anticipate a completed brake kit to be ready within 5 weeks. I will keep you all posted.

Please keep the questions coming and I will answer them as fast and throughly as possible.

[bluemax]

Yup.
Never use race pads on the street. They are designed differently and use totally different braking theory because they are always super hot all the time. They do not work when cold.

[bluemax]

Since your working on a rear set, and that's what I need, I have a few opinions:

1. I know cost is a major factor in deciding what you are doing. Even though you don't need them, can you use the same monster 1-3/8" discs and slotted so they will look the same as the fronts (at least when the wheels are off).
2. 4 pot Wilwoods with a higher rear bias.
3. I use Porterfield pads, so can you delete the pads with a reduction in cost?

Thanks.

[bigaaron]

Why not get the kit like he sells it with street pads and use your Poterfields for the track? He's not going to make 10 different kits. I also don't see why everybody is assuming they can design a better setup then what he is already offering.

[arz]

I didn't know anybody else made brake pads that fit Wilwood calipers. I never really checked, mostly because the Wilwood pads are amazing. These arent Supra calipers, and the pads that fit in these calipers wont if in stock Supra calipers.

Think of it from my side. I sell a complete kit, you ask me to delete one of the most important items of the entire kit. I take you at your word that you know what you are talking about. You get your kit, then you wait order your "custom" brake pads, they show up 2 weeks to a month later and they dont fit or they don't work like I say the Wilwood pads do or they damage the caliper or the rotor or worse.

Who are you going to call and complain to??? ME!!! thats who, and what would you expect me to do about something I have absolutely no control over. I would expect me to do nothing and thats exactly what I will do NOTHING.

The most I would ever take off from a kit I didn't send with brake pads is like $50 bucks. So to save $50 bucks on a $1200 purchase you willing to risk all the hassle associated with trying to customize my kit. How about getting the pads I sell it with, drive the hell out of it, and when and if those pads go away ordering your custom brake pads. Then you will know a bunch of things,
A. If they really are better than Wilwood pads.
B. How long you can expect them to last.
C. How much dust they produce.
D. How much heat they can take.
E. How much rotor wear you can expect to see.
F. How much noise they are supposed to make.
G. How they are supposed to fit.
H. What they are supposed to look like.

If you called me with any of these problems, how could I remedy any of them if you altered what I sell.

Please take me at my word I know what Im talking about, these brakes, as I sell them, KICK ASS!!!

Please don't spoil all my efforts to try to save $50 bucks. Spend the extra $50 bucks, use them up (if you can), then buy your custom pads and you will have an excellent bench mark. Then you can make a very informed opinion based on experience not opinion.

[NashMan]

dude i think i am falling love i really don't need em to much cause my car is so light but hummmmmmmm all get backtoyou you will ship to canda right

[arz]

Yep I will ship to Canada, LMK

[NashMan]

pm sent

[bluemax]

I don't mean to rain on Arz's parade. And I'm not designing anything. I think he's going a great service to the Mk.III community. Certainly much more than what I do. And I do see your side, Arz.

But if he hasn't make the rear kits yet and he's still getting things together, then I just want to let him know what I'm looking for. You can make the best product in the world, but if no one wants it you don't sell any. You have to create a product to meet your market and customer's needs/expectations. And how do you know what the customers want? You talk to them and get their opinion. I got my front BBK kit from HPF group buy, only because HPF was willing to meet my expectations and needs. Which by the way is Wilwood GN calipers and guess what, Porterfield pads (by request). Some other guy was doing a rear brake BBK, and HPF didn't want to compete with him so they didn't offer a rear BBK, but I didn't get it because he was not offering what I want. Which is just fine. I can always get what I want from HPF. But the group buy will probably be a little cheaper and I'm willing to support it so I do, if its what I want.

I use Porterfield R4S carbon pads on my wife's VW Passat, and I like them. The VW really tests brake pads because the rear brakes are way under designed for a 3800 lb vehicle. The R4S have less dust than the stock VW pads and wear a little better. It was recommended by a friend who makes brake kits for Ford pickup trucks. I trust his judgement because he tests all of the various pads he uses, and many times don't use, for his kits. I know he likes Porterfield because they tested good, Andy Porterfield is easy to work with, and they are local to Orange County, CA. I have no reason to use another manufacturer's pad. I'd be just taking your word that the Wilwood pads are good, and thats even if you tried them. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to try them, but if I don't have to, I'd rather not.

Porterfield makes pads for just about anything. My VW pads were custom made. They had to go out and get the backing plate put the pad material on it. Porterfield lists Wilwood calipers on their website, so they probably stock Wilwood pads, or can easily make them.

As far as rotor wear, I expect the rotors to last the entire life of the vehicle. My friend does cryo treating on his rotors he makes. He's willing to cryo my rotors for me.

I'll be waiting to see what you come up with.......Arz.

[arz]

I don't mean to rain on Arz's parade.
I find that hard to believe!!!

And I'm not designing anything.
Im confident of that!!!

And how do you know what the customers want? You talk to them and get their opinion. I got my front BBK kit from HPF group buy, only because HPF was willing to meet my expectations and needs.
I dont think you will be a customer, so I dont want your opinion. If you already have a BBK then why are you shitting my thread about something you dont actually want!!! Do you work for HPF or Porterfield?

Which by the way is Wilwood GN calipers and guess what, Porterfield pads (by request). Some other guy was doing a rear brake BBK, and HPF didn't want to compete with him so they didn't offer a rear BBK, but I didn't get it because he was not offering what I want. Which is just fine. I can always get what I want from HPF.
Didnt you just say HPF isnt offering a rear BBK??? I Hope you get what you want from them!

I use Porterfield R4S carbon pads on my wife's VW Passat, and I like them.
Excellent then why don't you go tell them on the PASSAT FORUM???

The VW really tests brake pads because the rear brakes are way under designed for a 3800 lb vehicle. The R4S have less dust than the stock VW pads and wear a little better. It was recommended by a friend who makes brake kits for Ford pickup trucks. I trust his judgement because he tests all of the various pads he uses, and many times don't use, for his kits. I know he likes Porterfield because they tested good,
Then I should probably start raiding all the Veedub junk yards for their rear brakes and sell them for Supras!!!

Andy Porterfield is easy to work with, and they are local to Orange County, CA. I have no reason to use another manufacturer's pad.Yea because you probably dont hassle him about shit your not gonna buy.

I'd be just taking your word that the Wilwood pads are good, and thats even if you tried them.
You caught me. I invested thousands of dollars to develop a brake kit that I never tried. You have got to be kidding!!! I dont know why I am wasteing my breath (keyboard strokes) on a guy comparing my BBK with his Passat rear brakes and his buddys Ford pickem up Truck brake testing. Oh wait I like to laugh!!!


I'm not saying that I'm not willing to try them, but if I don't have to, I'd rather not

I dont think I have to worry!!!

I have driven thousands and thousands of miles on Wilwood brakes and never really looked for different pads because Wilwood pads work great and last (it seems) forever (they wont actually last forever, "disclaimer"). Yes I checked and Porterfield offers 2 different compounds for the calipers I sell with my kits. Why dont you just buy the complete kit and sell the Wilwood pads on Ebay. Oh wait you already have a BBK!!!

Porterfield makes pads for just about anything. My VW pads were custom made. They had to go out and get the backing plate put the pad material on it. Porterfield lists Wilwood calipers on their website, so they probably stock Wilwood pads, or can easily make them.

As far as rotor wear, I expect the rotors to last the entire life of the vehicle. My friend does cryo treating on his rotors he makes. He's willing to cryo my rotors for me.
Excellent! Yes if you use your brakes as hard as you use your Veedub brakes you can probably expect them to last a lifetime. When you get a set of my brakes let me know how the cryo treating works out for you. Oh wait you already have a BBK.

Please go away!!!

[Blackfin]

Arz,

you are taking this stuff way too personal. I think your brakes sound like a great setup. I was thinking hard about shelling out some dough for them. May still do but this defensive position you are taking is not helping you out. Makes you seem like your are hard to work with. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on a public forum. And you are entitiled to sell your product in one flavor if you choose.

All you have to do is say:

Sorry guys, this is the setup I am doing. I agree that there may be benefit to doing it your way and may consider it down the road. However, at this time it is very important for me to stick with what I believe works well. After-all it's my reputation that is on the line and I do not want to ruin it using something that I am unsure of. Again, I really do appreciate the suggestion and will look into it later on.


Jim

[Reign_Maker]

Jim, ARZ isnt hard to work with, and as a matter of fact, as far as Im concerned, he's taking it way easy on this guy... Speaking of this guy, Bluemax, if you have no intention of buying, or adding anything of relevance to this thread, stay out of it... Any more posts like the last one and they'll start disappearing... Andy has every right to deffend himself, hence the "defensive posture"... Also, Blackfin, yur right, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion on a public forum, however, this isnt a debatable discussion, so Blue's opinion is of little consequence here... This thread is simple to break down, so if anyone needs help with this, let me share with you how this works: Andy has a BBK he's designed and is willing to sell for a geat price to the members of this community... You ask questions, he gives answers, you decide if you want to buy... the end...

If Andy posted a thread asking people how THEY would make a BBK, then this would be a different situation and then you all could debate him all day on how you THINK it should be done... But for now, and in this thread, I ask that you all stick to the topic, support the guy for taking his own time and money in developing the MANY things he's developed for our cars and try not to challenge the decision he's made on HIS kit... You dont like it, dont buy it... Dont like parts of it, then sell them and buy what you want...

[arz]

Thanks Reign!

Blackfin
I debated long and hard about whether to acknowledge this post at all. I didn't want to come off as a pompous ass. I had my wife read the thread and we both had a good laugh, I like to laugh!!!. She summed it up by saying if someone doesn't want to buy your kit because you thrashed this guy then....

Im very sorry if I gave you the impression I am hard to deal with. I must assure you Im not!!!

Give me a call sometime I will be glad to talk with you in person.

But if you stand next to me while Im addressing perspective customers asking/telling me that product X is way better because my friend says so and have no actual proof and have not tried my product, Im going to become defensive.

I would be glad to entertain you if you told me that you owned Wilwood brakes (and qualified that by letting me know the actual part number, not for proof, for actual comparison data, Wilwood makes 5 different bore diameters and 3 different rotor widths of the very calipers I sell, (bore diameter will radically change the performance and feel of the brakes. Not to mention the 3 different Rotor diameters each caliper will work on.) and ran Wilwood pads and then ran brand X and they were better. We need to compare apples to apples, not Supras to Trucks or VW's. So, to tell me you have Wilwood GN calipers, that really dosent tell me anything. If you said you had Caliper W with Piston Dia X Rotor Dia Y and Rotor Thickness Z, and that you tried the Wilwood pads X and then used brand Y then I would seriously consider your arguement and look into it.

I KNOW what I am talking about and if I thought bluemax did I would be glad to do a comparison between the two manufacturers pads, but since Wilwood makes the brakes I am 100% positive the product will fit and you will get a product that blows you away.

If the selection of the pad manufacturer proves to be of concern to any more customers I will gladly look into it and do some testing. Since Porterfields cost on average 30% more than Wilwoods and they offer 2 different compounds and Wilwood offers more than 5, I would be more inclined to stick with Wilwood pads.

I really am very easy to get along with and really hope this doesn't sway your opinion of my products.

Sincerely

Andy Z

[T34418L3ONE]

I cant believe some people. If he started offering 384903 options on his BBK it would cost just as much as everyone elses! He made a kit that works extremely well and we are so lucky that he is offering this kit to the community at a great price. He's been donating his skills to the communtiy in the form of sweet parts and this is the crem de la crem. Anyone who tries to bash this should be shot.

[Big Wang Bandit]

Thinking about it...

Maybe some day in the future

[NashMan]

man i know how ot make stuff but this is just sweet ass kit and pretty much sodl on a kit mabye get cps cover to boot at the same time heheheh

[SupraSpeed]

kit looks amazing arz. i plan on getting on before spring break comes around, hopefully. :bigthumb:

[soapra]

reading through this thread reminds me of why alot of the big manufacturers and other companies stop suporting the MK3 community. ARZ I was at Vegas and have seen the quality of your brake kit. If you remember I was the guy that runs endless brakes on stock calipers and rotors. I will be ordering a set of your brakes soon! That's saying alot because I'm very loyal to Endless, but was blown away with your brake kit and also your prices. I dont understand why people think you are selling junk, but I guess that's how some of the MK3 owners are.

[Allan_MA70]

because a good 80% of Mk III owners are dum / tight ass's / students with no money they wana make there crappy soccer mum (performance) van caliper upgrades seem cool! and not get decent brakes like what arz and other vendors / nightpager copys give you.... a decent size rotor and larger pad area!!!!!

[QWIKSTRIKE]

This seems to be a very good price for a kit like this. There are many lame post from people critiqueing a product they have never used or intend on using. Does this make sense?

[Reign_Maker]

No doubt Qwik...

ARZ just came out of no where, like, look, I have this stuff, what do you think? BAM! HOLY SHIT! That's so nice! Where does this guy come up with this stuff? I dont care, all I know is I want it! After I get my "mechanical" shit tied down on my car, then Im doin the brake and suspension work... I cant have 700+hp and stock breaks, I mean, BRAKES...

Thanks for offering this to the community Andy!

[arz]

No Problem!!!

I have been involved with the Supra community for a little over a year and a half and I love the enthusiasm of the community and the technical merits of the vehicle. Sure the Supra has a few personality quirks but what car doesn't.

I have been watching the approved vendors section on several forums and I keep saying "OH crap I was going to do that!!!" but that just keeps raising the bar for me and I love a challenge.

I have so many ideas that I have already done all the design and computer modeling that I cant spend enough hours at the machine shop to get them all to be a reality. I have seen lots of peoples "really cool" models or renderings or custom one-off designs but to put them together in a kit that people will buy (again and again) thats another thing entirely. Its not easy and I can see why people come and go.

I hope to keep surprising the Supra community, and all I can say is just wait to see whats next.

Thanks everybody for the support.

Andy Z

[bigaaron]

Check is in the mail for another big brake kit in the morning! :runaway:

[jdub]

Gonna throw my 2 cents in:

I've met Andy...been to his house...saw what he's done in custom work dropping a turbo 7M into a 240Z...saw him lay down the best weld I've ever seen.

Andy is an engineer, his competence is without question, his machine work is beautiful. I'll be willing to bet this brake kit meets or exceeds anything else out there. I've bought from Andy before and I will again...he is as honest as they come and is one of the easiest people I've ever had the opportunity to deal with.

Nuff said!

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

240z=non existant. 180sx, 240sx, 280zx, 300zx, 200sx(sentra), 350z(fairlady z)

[arz]

Wow Thanks JW.

Stop on by any time and take a peek at them for yourself. Hell.. feel free to drive my car and feel for yourself. They are truely amazing.

Im gonna try to make it to Firebird Friday night and the Pavilions Saturday night, (with the soup) fire me back if you think you can make it.

^^^TTL^^^ I have plenty of friends with 240Z's, that photo in my Avitar isnt cause I think its cute. Checkit. People that have been around SF for a couple years will remember this

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG3507-.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG0810_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG0811_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)

[bigaaron]

Check's in the mail..... :icon_bigg

[NashMan]

mine will be soon

[arz]

bigaaron: Check's in the mail.....



NashMan: mine will be soon


When you are ready, please PM me first for a shipping quote.

[NashMan]

i all ready got shipping quote

[Reign_Maker]

http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG3507-.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)
http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/zcarstuff/CIMG0810_resize.JPG (http://www.arizonaperformance.com)
First pic: *spank spank spank* ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Second pic: that just LOOKS like it came from the factory like that... Absolutely INCREDIBLE work man! Oh, and *spank spank spank* ahhhhhh!:love:

[lenny]

wow thats nice ..ill have to get some

[HamsMKIII]

Email sent regarding this kit. Looking forward to your response!

[Josh Sulsberger]

Arz,
First off, nice car. I've always loved the 240's.
Anyhow, I tried reading the whole thread and didn't find it...
How much less does this kit weigh than the stock iron? Seems like it would be an improvement in unsprung weight, yes?

Thanks,
Josh

[arz]

On the 240Z, Thanks!!!

Yes they might weigh a little less but I havent weighed them yet. I will get on that. You have to remember I am going from a 12 inch dia rotor to a 13 inch rotor that is 1.375 thick. One thing the photos dont show is how massive the calipers are. the calipers themselves are almost 6 inches wide (inboard to outboard). I would hope there is a slight decrease in weight, but I think it will be just that "slight".

I know what you mean about reading the whole thread, you are the first to ask, so I hope you didnt spend too much time.

Check back after the weekend, I should have time this weekend.

[Suprawannabe]

Damn, I remeber one of my friends telling me about this but forgot :icon_mad: . So I paid a little more for close to the same setup, and it would have been a lot more if it wasnt a trade between friends.

You Sir are awsome, i'll will be looking out for the rear setup when it comes.

Brembo/Willwood would be interesting:naughty:

I dont think this has been asked but what are you making the brackets out of?

[suprra_girl]

i'm quite interested in this kit (and would try and organise the money asap) but my car doesn't go at the moment and when it does it will be getting run in. So there wouldn't be much racing stuff going on at first, and once it's run it i'll be using my car as a daily driver and drag car

do you have pads suited for this or are the pads you supply in the kit suitable for it already?

Cheers mate!


p.s... ohhhh i'm soooooooo drooling over that brake kit!!! lol :love:

[arz]

Suprawannabe: The parts are made out of 6061 T6

suprra_girl: The standard pads I supply with the kit are perfectly suited for street driving and light track duty.

Im glad you like them.

[suprra_girl]

well it wont happen next week but i will be definitely getting my brake kit from you!!!

im just waiting on a huge court case to be over before i get any money together as i may need it for the case... hopefully i win and i can buy lots of things haha

thanks for replying :)

[dylan]

I can not believe this. I will be buying when you have both f+r I would just like to say do not listen to those A.H,s I think your ideas are perfect and at welfare prices looks like a 11+ if these good old BOYS think they can do better then let them go to the nearest friend that has done that and tried this and put it on their LADA...Keep up the good work..If you ever get north of the border let me know would be willing to tour Montreal with ya.....TECHNOLOGY NOT C.I.D. Barry

[toyo4life]

Arz, Would you consider having an east coast distributor? I am currently looking for specialty lines to carry other that the 12v electronics I have now. These would have been great to have available here for the supra meet at Englishtown to demo. I am working on having a car together for HIN atlantic city .with a full demo package of different typs of mkIII products. they seem to be going though a revival here on the east coast. Well congrats on a great prouct and PM me if interested in dist.

[s000pra89T]

I can't believe I just saw this....always catching things late. LOL Will these still be available for the new year? Gotta baby on the way to attend to first. :icon_bigg

-Ryan

[Tearlessj]

Im ganna be driving my MKIII daily, would it be a bad choice to get these?

[jdub]

Im ganna be driving my MKIII daily, would it be a bad choice to get these?

Nope! Stopping this heavy beast is never a bad thing. Get the street pads and you'll be amazed at the difference ;)

[bigaaron]

I got my second set in the mail today! Thanks arz!
I got crazy when I saw them in Vegas and I emptied the checking account, but when I got home and saw the homeowners insurance, mortgage, car insurance, and $2700 in property taxes were due this month I had to sell them to a buddy to get some cash flow LOL These are going on MY car this time!!!

[arz]

These are fine on a daily driver. I drive mine daily!!! Im sure Aaron will to.

I would never subject these to snow or slush or salt. I would try not to drive them in the rain if you dont have to. Not because they wont stop, they do that fine wet or dry, mostly because I am trying to keep the surface rust off the rotors and to keep from having to polish the aluminum. I can have the rotor hats and caliper brackets anodized but will have to charge for it and there will be a delay too.


s000pra89T: I can't believe I just saw this....always catching things late. LOL Will these still be available for the new year? Gotta baby on the way to attend to first.
-Ryan

Im here to stay, they will be here when your ready. Check back for updates and the matching rear brake kit "soon to come". Also keep an eye out for my install thread.

[wingman]

hey Andy it's the guy from Vegas that talked with you about custom making 14" front rotors. Just letting you know that if your still interested in working with me I'd also be interested in some 13" rears. I should be able to start commiting to helping you out with R&D for them around Christmas time if you're still up for it...just gotta give me some time to save up the initial investment cost. I know it's a little excessive for the streets, but I plan on getting quite a bit of road racing in after I finish the 1JZ build I have in the works so I'll need all the extra stopping power I can afford!

[Poodles]

I'd be interested if you started coating the rotors, as i have to drive rain or shine and I don't like surface rust either...

Hell, I'm still interested, I could probably just get em coated locally if needed, Just gotta wait on funds (blown engines = empty pockets)

[QWIKSTRIKE]

My friend Dennis in the Bronx bought them and tells meto alert all of you to BUY them NOW!

[Tearlessj]

So it would be a problem to drive in the rain with these? As I stated earlier, my supra is a daily and I dont want to worry about my brakes not working. lol

[mk3forme]

Yes please answer the daily driver question in detail. I defintiely want to know what has to be done to make this kit feasible in all driving conditions. I live in KY and we get a little bit of everything. I want a kit that stops well, but it has to be useable in all weather conditions. Thanks

[HamsMKIII]

Brakes are brakes guys. If you're confused on this point, perhaps you should leave brake upgrades to professionals.

The point about moisture is suface rust. Another user asked about having the parts coated. First off, why do you want to have a rotor hat coated when it's T6 aluminum? Duh... Secondly, the rotors themselves are going to catch surface rust but will obviously be gone the first time you hit the brakes. Not a problem there. Lastly, the calipers are forged billet pieces that are powdercoated black. Rust there? I think not.

So... Let's think this through guys. What part is going to rust?

Use your brains.

[wingman]

So... Let's think this through guys. What part is going to rust?


the area of the rotor where the pad doesn't come into contact with it. I'm not sure how much area that is exactly, but it can't be much. If your a die hard looks junkie you can just hit it with some fine steel wool...or not drive it in the rain.

[HamsMKIII]

This may be the case, but my point is that it will not affect performance in any way, and certain individuals need this clarification.

[s000pra89T]

Im here to stay, they will be here when your ready. Check back for updates and the matching rear brake kit "soon to come". Also keep an eye out for my install thread.

Thanks man...much appreciated. :icon_wink

[arz]

About the daily driver questions: Performance and safety issues are absolutely nonexistent. These brakes will work in any condition, rain, snow, slush, gravel, dirt whatever you can think of. The issue is for all of you people concerned with "looks". The surface area of the rotor not contacting the brake pads will rust quickly when subject to any water just like your stock rotors (I have driven hundreds of miles in the rain on the freeway and been lucky enough to not get any rust in them) . If your that concerned with looks you can find high temp clear coat for engine blocks or high temp silver for engine blocks and paint every portion of the rotor that does not touch the pads.

I recommend installing the brakes performing the rotor bed-in process. Drive them for a few weeks or days and removing the rotor from the rotor hat, taping off the brake surfaces "only" (only because I don't know what happens to high temp paint underneath the pads, it might come right off, but I don’t KNOW so I don’t recommend it), cleaning the entire rotor with brake cleaner and applying paint to all the surfaces your concerned about rusting. I will not be held responsible for your inability to properly "prep and paint".

That being said I have driven in the rain dozens of times with my Wilwood brakes and I too am concerned about "looks" (a little). When detailing the car I remove the wheels and clean the rotor hats with a moist kitchen sponge and simple green then rinse the sponge and use just water to rinse the simple green off. Then I hit the entire surface (rotor and hat) with my air compressor air nozzle and blow off all the standing water.

On the rotors I have a right angle die grinder with a very thin wire wheel cup. This is perfect for removing surface rust and not damaging the aluminum rotor hat (I barely touch the edge of the rotor hats with the wire wheel cup). I don't want any calls from you people that can not operate a die grinder and destroy the finish of the rotor hats. I will not be responsible for your ineptitude when operating power tools. This seems to impart a very small amount of stainless steel (or maybe it is just the polishing process of the stainless steel) and every time I do it the rotors seem to be a little more resistant to rusting. I would think a good car wax (again NOT ON THE BRAKEING SURFACES) might hold up for quite a while too. Im not sure what temp mothers carnauba wax can handle.

Unless you want the price of this kit to be $300-400 more just for plating (I think a little bit of your time and patients in detailing your parts will be well worth the money). Detailing is an art and many that do it solve many problems in unique ways, im sure you can find a way around this obstacle, or I could charge a lot more for this kit and you could all wait an extra 2-4 weeks to find out if the platters destroyed your parts. Most platters do a great job on 99% of their parts but I am not willing to take a chance with that 1 %.

After dealing with countless plating nightmares I decided not to coat any of the parts. The problems I have encountered with plating companies (in my day job) can not be imagined. After witnessing more than 100K in parts destined for ONE AH-64 Apache longbow get destroyed by the platter, I am not willing to risk it at the moment on my very low margin kit.

If your that concerned with plating I would be willing to look into a plating run for your kit after you have paid in full for the kit. You would be looking at a 2-4 week wait after you have paid for the kit and an estimated plating charge and I will not be responsible for what happens at the platters. If your parts are damaged I will send you those parts or you can buy another set of rotors and hats to try again. If your serious about my kit, don’t carry on about how you would get it "IF ONLY".... If you were serious about it you would call me and see if we could work something out. I am a pretty accommodating guy.

I really want to satisfy everyone but you know what happens when you do that.

[mk3forme]

Thank you Arz for answering my question. And thank you Hamz for clarification to all of us idiots in the community. I really resent the fact that you think you are smarter than me or anyone else that you have never met B4. I have been doing brake jobs on all my cars for years and am competent enough to do a good job as well. I, however, am not an engineer and did not design this kit. And as awesome as I think the price is, its still alot of money, and wanted to verify there werent any issues with this kit that I might have been unaware of. If I would have known that the rust issue was the only problem then I wouldn't have needed to ask that question. So thanks again Arz for the answer

[HamsMKIII]

Then you should be competent enough to answer your own question or not ask it at all.

The only issue you should be concerned with is the heat range on the pads. That said, he includes a street compound.

You said you're an idiot, not me.

[Reign_Maker]

Be cool gentlemen... Complaints have been lodged, dont want anymore... Be nice guys, I dont wanna hafta start cleaning this thread...

Thanks,,,
Jake

[HamsMKIII]

So anyhow....

Hey guys wanted to let everyone know that I ordered a brake kit from Andy this past week. We spoke via email and he addressed a couple of questions I had about his kit, and everything is great. His communication is great and the attention to detail is great. I'll post up pics and reviews when I receive the kit later this week.

Thanks again Andy for all your help bud, and let me know as soon as you have that rear kit available!

Cheers!

[Poodles]

I wasn't aware of the nightmares of plating parts, I understand now that it's about as bad as getting parts powdercoated (and I've seen them ruin calipers).

I was just a bit concered with the rust, it's not a huge concern, but if I could pay a bit more to have something that won't rust on something I'm paying quite a bit on it would be golden, but you've stated it's not going to be cheap, no cost effective on your part, and I understand (and respect) your decision

Never hurts to ask, yah know?

Anyways, this kit is definately on my list of upgrades as I firmly believe in a well rounded car. Can't have tons of power without the ability to stop it...

[mk3forme]

well Ham you stated: So... Let's think this through guys. What part is going to rust?

Use your brains. And then Arz goes on to explain that he has in fact used a die grinder and wire wheel to knock off rust. So at what point in any question asked in this whole thread by anyone, was someone not using their brain?? I appreciate the fact that you are all knowing, even though you stated, that you in fact PM ARZ about some question you yourself had. And I aspire to be like you someday. But in the meantime I will continue to ask questions and welcome you to answer them for me if they are in your thread that I am asking them. OH and by the way. Nice rides Ham

[HamsMKIII]

Thanks bud, no hard feelings I hope. My question specifically was a curiousity. I was curious to know why he chose to machine his own rotor hat instead of using a shelf-stocked Wilwood rotor hat. I was initially concerned that since T6 aluminum billet and steel have different thermal expansion rates, I was a little worried that bolting the hat to the rotor could be a problem. I was worried that the threads on the hat could fail over time. Typically the hat and the rotor are not threaded and a nut/bolt combination is used.

The other question I had is that if you look closely in his first batch of pictures, you'll notice that the primary brake line has been replaced, but the short 6" section was still the factory rubber piece. I wanted to know if his kit replaced both lines since he stated that his kit included stainless braided lines. I felt that his picture left question in my mind as I am very attentive to detail.

I will let Andy answer my question about the rotor hat and in short, the short brake line is not provided in the kit.

- Chris

[mk3forme]

No hard feelings. I appreciate a supra owner that knows more than me. And there are alot you on here. Without all the real wrenchers on here I would be lost.

[HamsMKIII]

It's a good place to learn for sure. These cars can turn into a real nightmare if you don't maintain them. I think it's because of the age of the cars, the higher mileage and that many people spend money to make them faster before making them right.

The braking system, IMO, is very underpowered for the weight of the car the speeds it can attain when modified.

Last year, I spent about $1000 on OEM sized Brembo rotors, pads, lines and fluids. Although it works well for normal driving conditions, I can completely overpower the brakes at 100+ mph stops. Let's face it, at those speeds, if you can't slow down fast enough, you're dead.

I have been searching front brake kits for some time now. KVR makes a kit for $3000 that includes AP racing 6 piston calipers and 14" rotors. This is a FRONT kit only. Nice, but very pricey and you have to run 18's. Greddy/GREX makes a kit using Alcon components and it's about $2600. It uses 4 piston calipers and 14" rotors, again requiring 18's.

Precision Brakes/Revolution Brakes makes a nice kit for $1350, but it's not as powerful as THIS kit. Their kit uses the Wilwood Dynalite caliper, which is physically smaller in size, smaller pad area and they are NOT forged billet. Their kit also uses a 13x1.25" rotor.

Andy's kit uses the Forged Billet Superlite caliper which is very large by comparison. It's as big as most 6 piston calipers. In fact, Wilwood makes a 6 Piston Superlite using the exact same body caliper, just a 6 piston version and it's about $100 more per caliper. The pad surface area is the same. This is a very powerful caliper, every bit as powerful as most other 6 piston calipers on the market. Additionally, Andy's kit uses a 13x1.38" rotor instead of the Precision kit 13x1.25" rotor. This means that the rotor is more efficient at heat dissipation and more resistant to heat warping.

I've priced the rotors out through a Wilwood dealer, and they cost about $100to replace for future reference.

Andy's kit is expensive because it uses quality components, don't mistake it. I would consider however that there are other more expensive options out there, not necessarily better!

[arz]

HamsmkIII did email me directly and asked good questions and paid before he ever posted.

I didn’t realize he had done his homework so thuroghly on brake systems. He is correct about the size and strength of the Forged Superlight vs. the Dynalite. These calipers are huge they are almost 6 inches wide inboard to outboard. When you hold them in your hands for the first time you just smile and laugh at how small the stock ones are in comparison.

The question about thermal expansion I addressed to him incorrectly, I stated that, similar designs I have contributed to have been going down the road (and track) for over 7 years. After our conversation I got clarification and it turns out that, this design of the rotor hat being aluminum, and threaded and fastened directly to the steel rotor has been in use by my direct supplier for more than 20 years. I have known him for 18 of those 20 years. I asked him the same question and he stated that he has never ever in 20 years had a problem with this interface (Zinc plated fastener threaded into an aluminum hat thru a steel rotor). Yes he has had customers round the allen head out (who knows why, when you get yours stick a 1/4" allen key in the head of the fastener and see how tight it fits, these are very high quality fasteners). This particular problem might have been on a kit that used stainless fasteners, some stainless is quite a bit softer than others.

I have pit crewed and helped box, assemble and prep dozens of kits and witnessed and participated in hours and hours of road racing with Wilwood brakes. I personally know and have direct access to many customers with Wilwood brakes on many different types of vehicles (Street and track) and have only heard of less than a handful of problems with Wilwood brakes and all of them (IMO) the driver was at fault.

Also Hams and others have asked why I didnt use "off the shelf" Wilwood rotor hats. If you buy a one size fits all or a multi tool, you will find it does a lot of things well but it never does the one thing you need it to do GREAT. The "off the shelf" rotor hat from Wilwood does not have the proper lug hole diameter, matter of fact it has a multi pattern, like maybe you would use it on your Chevy or Ford. The hole diameter on their hub wouldnt make the rotor hubcentric. Their hat wouldnt give me exactly the offset I need. I didnt see the sence in purcasing a part to modify it when I could make a better part that did exactly what I want, that was stronger and looked better and designed to do the exact job I needed. Besides I think my part looks way better, than Wilwood "off the shelf" hats.

HamsMKIII, thanks for pointing out the differences between my kit and the others. I looked at several others but I didn’t go thru the effort you did in finding every possible kit available. I just knew I could do it better and put it all in one place. When I created this kit I put a lot of thought into making the very best possible kit for the money. I believe as Ham stated there are more expensive but even close to my price point their quality isn’t anywhere close.

[Tearlessj]

Thanks for the info guys, I will get these brakes after I get my suspension over with. Thanks.

[tig321]

I've priced the rotors out through a Wilwood dealer, and they cost about $100to replace for future reference.

I was wondering about that myself. A friend of mine put a Wilwood BBK on his 1.8T powered mk2 jetta about 4-5 yrs ago. He recently looked into replacing the rotors. Since it was part of a vehicle specific kit, cost+10% was over $700 CAD for the 2 front rotors, ouch.
It's good to know you won't have this issue a few years down the road, should you ever need to replace them.

[mattjk]

hey, could you make the hat 5mm thicker?

[bigaaron]

Is there a caliper that is double forged? Also, can I get titanium rotors?

[mattjk]

you so crayzee, aaron.

[SupraSpeed]

So anyhow....

Hey guys wanted to let everyone know that I ordered a brake kit from Andy this past week. We spoke via email and he addressed a couple of questions I had about his kit, and everything is great. His communication is great and the attention to detail is great. I'll post up pics and reviews when I receive the kit later this week.

Thanks again Andy for all your help bud, and let me know as soon as you have that rear kit available!

Cheers!
hahahahaha dang it hams, now it looks like we will be running the same brake setup for tx2k7, my brother too hahahaha

[mk3forme]

agreed.. Lots of good info. Cheers to Ham. Also thank you Arz for not settling for off the shelf parts and striving to make things better while keeping costs down. I know I appreciate that a ton!

[arz]

mattjk: hey, could you make the hat 5mm thicker?


Uhhhh.....sorry, NO.

BTW 5mm thicker than what?

If you say "than the stock rotor hat". Then might be happy to know they are thicker but I will have to see exactly how much.

I make every kit exactly the same. This is one of the VERY few ways I can keep the costs down.

Aaron, Hit yours with a hammer, it will be double forged in that spot, OOOH it will be custom!!! LOL. J/K

Speaking of rotors there were carbonfiber rotors at SEMA last year they were like 3 pounds and 10 thousand dollars for 1 rotor. They were A WORK OF ART.

[mattjk]

Yes, 5mm thicker than stock so I don't have to use a 5mm spacer for my wheels.

[bigaaron]

Yes, 5mm thicker than stock so I don't have to use a 5mm spacer for my wheels.

If they are 5mm thicker you will need 5mm longer wheel studs, but I do know a place locally that will make custom wheel spacers to your specs. Not like the cheezy one size fits all Pepboys ones.

[mattjk]

yup, I have some new studs from a landcruiser. They are 7mm longer than stock.

[mattjk]

If you say "than the stock rotor hat". Then might be happy to know they are thicker but I will have to see exactly how much.



If you could find out, that would be great.

[arz]

It turns out all of the factory ones I have (who knows if they are original equipment or not) all average a thickness of 6.35 which would make sence because they are probably all Autozone specials, but again who knows. FYI 6.35mm is exactly .25 inches.

All of my rotor hats are 9.15mm to provide a delta of 2.8mm.

Looks like you will only need a 2.2mm spacer to get that 5mm you were looking for. BTW thats almost .086 of an inch, less than the thickness 2 dimes.

My car varies more than that from side to side. I think it might have been in a wreck. I looked closely when I had the motor out and cleaned the engine bay and there is evidence of a slight accident. Oh well its close enough to mount brakes on and thats what I bought it for.

So there you have it!!! My front kit will move your wheel outboard 2.8 milimeters per side. I hope this dosent cause any concern. Im confident my rear kit will do the same.

Hope this answers all your questions about this matter.

[mk3forme]

obviously this does not cause a problem with wheels studs as Arz has many of these kits out in the public now.:biglaugh: Would 5mm make a difference either?

[arz]

The usually rule of thumb is 1-1.5 times the diameter of the fastener. These are 12 mm studs X 1.5 so 8 full revolutions of the lugnuts should give you 12 mm of thread engagement. This should be the minimum you should shoot for. To check and make sure buy a cheep set from your local parts store the ones you can see all the way thru. Thread it on and check visually that you do infact, have enough thread engagement.

I never thought I would be answering lugnut questions when selling brakes, but I am happy to do so.

When it comes to longer studs you can never go wrong. If you already have those 7mm longer wheel studs, by all means use them, it can never hurt. Some race sanctioning bodies require longer studs. I never knew the exact reasoning but I would guess it has something to do with a tech inspector being able to see in a split second wheather the threads are galled or damaged.

[NashMan]

just matter of time befor i have mine


he do you think these will clear mustange 17x8 wheeels
reson being is i need raceing wheels my rx7 ones will nto do it any more if i get thosu brakes

[HamsMKIII]

Got my brake kit today via Fed Ex. Everything looks great! I'm very happy so far. Obviously I have not had time to install them, but I will this weekend.

Here are a couple of quick shots I snapped:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/New%20Turbo/DSC04287.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/New%20Turbo/DSC04289.jpg

Thanks Andy!


- Chris

[polobai]

arz, i will be ordering my set fairly soon-expect a call from me. Thanks for the great product!

[mk3forme]

Man those look incredible. Thanks for the pics Ham

[Zach]

Anybody got 1200 bucks I can borrow indefinitely? kthxbye

Fantastic looking kit! I can't wait to take Chris' car for a drive and test them out :) wink wink nudge nudge

[dobi]

Good looking kit. I'm interested in seeing how much for the whole package (f/r). I'll be keeping my eye on this thread. Thanks.

[bigaaron]

Loooooook what I installed tonight! (Jose helped too, thanks dude!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/th_DSCF4252.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/DSCF4252.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/th_DSCF4262.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/BigAaron/supra%20upgrades/DSCF4262.jpg)

I love the driving feel of these brakes. When you first start to push on the pedal it feels similar to stock, but as you continue to push the pedal you can really tell the difference. The last car we installed this kit on had no abs and normal tires so it would lock the front wheels up before you could really get an idea of the power of this brake kit. With my good quality 245/40/17 tires and working abs I can really take advantage of this upgrade. The abs luckily works very well on the mk3 Supra. It feels just fine standing on them at 100mph, I just did it on the way home a few times :biglaugh: Just do the bed-in (sp?) procedure and go for it.

Install was easier this time around. The only issue I had was that my Goodridge brake lines are one piece all the way from the hardline to the caliper, and the brake lines supplied only replace the lower part of the stock hose. Somehow I had a banjo bolt and washers that fit the caliper and my Goodridge lines, so it is set up like the until I can have a custom line made to replace the Goodridge.

[arz]

Thanks for posting photos and the nice words. How they work is even better than how they look HUH?!?!?

Hopefully we will hear from HamsmkIII this weekend too.

[HamsMKIII]

I like the hat, looks neat :)

I'm hoping to do some brake work this weekend, but I have to get my turbo installed, then get out and drive my car just a little. I left my door cracked the other day and totally drained the battery! DOH!

[Reign_Maker]

Aaron, thanks for posting those pics, those are the exact same wheels I have, so I can imagine how they'll look on my car... :D:D:D

So right now, its not a question of "IF?" but "WHEN?"

[bigaaron]

I can do a 0-100-0 video now! I'll see what I can do.

[Turbo Skegget]

Just found this thread today. This seems to be the way to go:) Emailed a couple of questions to Arz. Think I agree with Reignmaker about the "not IF but WHEN".

What about the rear brakes? I personally would like to get ride of the parking brake "drum brake" and get one little extra caliper instead. (Hope you understand what I mean, I'm Swedish)

[bigaaron]

Just found this thread today. This seems to be the way to go:) Emailed a couple of questions to Arz. Think I agree with Reignmaker about the "not IF but WHEN".

What about the rear brakes? I personally would like to get ride of the parking brake "drum brake" and get one little extra caliper instead. (Hope you understand what I mean, I'm Swedish)

I know in the truck world people put a small thin rotor on their driveshaft, but I don't think that would fit on a Supra.

[Turbo Skegget]

Sounds cool. But I havn't seen it applied in motorsport so I think putting an extra caliper behind the main caliper would be best.

[HamsMKIII]

A line lock would be an easy way.

[Reign_Maker]

Yeah, locking the front wheels...

I wouldnt put anything on my drive shaft for fear of it messing up the balance of the DS...

[Turbo Skegget]

Don't think the authorities would approve on linelock kit instead of a handbrake. I want my car to be street legal.

[arz]

The rear brake kit is coming for sure!!! As it turns out the rotors that will clear the stock parking (drum brake) assembly are more expensive than the 13 inch front rotors. Also the calipers that fit that rotor go up in price also. Then the rotor hat is more material, its kind of a snowball effect. The price will probably be in the neighborhood of a $500+ increase over the price of the original (yet to come) rear kit. I will only offer a rear kit that utilizes the factory rear parking brake, only if I have enough demand for it. Im guessing if they cost $500 more than ones without a parking brake the demand wont be to high.

Turbo Skegget:
Sounds cool. But I havn't seen it applied in motorsport so I think putting an extra caliper behind the main caliper would be best
I have seen this done in the Hotrod world but the small Wilwood brakes you are refering to look like they are more suited for duty on a gocart (a cheap crappy gocart).

Unfortunately the mechanically/cable actuated caliper type Wilwood brake that would work as a parking brake, looks very very cheap and all the parts and pads rattle around inside quite a bit.

I know in the truck world people put a small thin rotor on their driveshaft, but I don't think that would fit on a Supra.
Yea I have several rock crawling friends that have done this. Its a great idea for them but yea it probably wont fit under the Supra tunnel and their drive shafts being unbalanced is the least of their concerns with 35 to 40 inch tires mounted on beadlocks.

Dont worry Im looking into every option.

[Turbo Skegget]

Are there other manufactures with better mechanically/cable actuated calipers? I would really love to see those drum brakes leave my car.

(As you might understand I'm willing to wait until the rear brake kit is available, little expensive with two packages delivered to Europe.)

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

I vote +1 for line-lock. :D

[arz]

^^^TTL^^^

You will definately get your way!!! That will be the way the first kits are configured.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

:bowdown:
I may not be able to purchase a set until after the holidays, but I'm DEFINATELY in for a Line-locked kit :)
Any chance you'll do a pricecut for buying both kits at the same time?

[arz]

Did you notice nobody else is doing this?!?! Theres probably a reason, theres really not that much profit margin in the whole kit.

Sorry guys.

[Poodles]

about the only savings I can see in getting the whole kit would be a minor break in shipping (like everyone else)

Even for the price, it's a steal.

Also, regarding the e-brake setup. The 3rd gen F-bodies had cable actuated rear calipers (main brake caliper, and a cable lever to depress it for an e-brake) and they are a HORRIBLE design and regularly fail. Many modern designs incorporate the mini drum because it's so durable and in the event of a brake failure, you still have brakes.

I'll personally be waiting for the mini drum, and will buy the entire kit at once and do all my suspension/brakes/wheels/tires at once.

Again, gotta thank you for answering all our questions.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

Wait wait wait...guess I should've specified, I want a FRONT line lock...not rear. Is that do-able?

[arz]

I will most likely supply a line lock with the rear kit, where you put it, is up to you.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

:love: You da man arz...EVERYONE ELSE: You can Kiss My Arz!! (lol i thought it was funny)

[garagefujimoto]

hmmm . i might have to change my plan to include this

my question....
are the studs from wilwood or you..because i would like arp long studs

[group a supra]

pm'd

[arz]

garagefujimoto:
are the studs from wilwood or you..because i would like arp long studs


Studs are not required with this kit!!! I DO NOT SUPPLY STUDS!!!

group a supra, PM'ed back

[garagefujimoto]

ok ok so you would press oem or otherwise studs in upon getting it eh

[arz]

No!

Someone asked earlier, if I would make the hats 5mm thicker, I replied NO! Then the discussion commenced about wheel spacers and I recomended changing the studs if you plan on spacing out your wheels further, than my Rotor hats.

I do not supply studs, Studs are NOT required for this kit, Your OEM studs will work fine if the threads are in good condition.

I used the original studs with no problems what so ever.

Start reading at post 125
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27659&page=13

[tissimo]

god i want to order a set... but out of money right now... I will order one in 2-3 months though fo sho

[Turbo Skegget]

Any news on the rear brakes?

[arz]

No new news yet. Im not holdin out, just nothing but virtual models to show. Anybody can show you a nifty shaded cad model. I am still on target for the next couple of weeks. I should have something ready to sell by early December.

[group a supra]

No new news yet. Im not holdin out, just nothing but virtual models to show. Anybody can show you a nifty shaded cad model. I am still on target for the next couple of weeks. I should have something ready to sell by early December.

i will be lurking then:biglaugh:

[Turbo Skegget]

Ok, then Im gonna buy some christmas presents for myself again:icon_bigg

[group a supra]

Ok, then Im gonna buy some christmas presents for myself again:icon_bigg

lmao same here

[Chard]

No new news yet. Im not holdin out, just nothing but virtual models to show. Anybody can show you a nifty shaded cad model. I am still on target for the next couple of weeks. I should have something ready to sell by early December.

Cant wait to see the front/rear brake kits for the mk3. It will truly be a very nice Christmas present. I will be keeping in touch Arz.

-Chard

[group a supra]

received my front kit today excellent bit of kit thanks
andy so when is the rear kit gonna be ready :)

[xrated89]

will u make a 14" 6 piston front kit? if so any idea on price : )

[rakkasan]

I have mine on. Fuggin nice! I can't wait to try them out. I really can't wait to get the rears from Andy.

Note to all those who can't decide to buy them: They are absolutely beautiful! The only pain is the stock dust shields, but honestly, I had no problem what so ever putting these on....

Nice work Andy!

[arz]

Nice work Andy!

Thanks!!!


will u make a 14" 6 piston front kit? if so any idea on price


I have had many people ask and told several people if you are serious I will engineer a front 14 inch 6 piston kit. I shot several people a price on getting started, The problem is the calipers are around $200 dollars a piece more for 6 piston calipers that clear 14 inch rotors, and the rotors are more than $180 a piece more so with a $760 dollar increase in purchased parts alone you are looking at around 2K+ for a 14 inch front kit and then I have to redesign everything I machine. Not to mention you will be Required to run 18 inch wheels. Its absolutely no problem, I can do it I just havent had anybody step up to the plate. If you send me the $1700 in parts alone I will get started. There will definately be costs above and beyond that, but I will give the first customer(s) a break on the price if their serious and front me the money to prove it. As I see it theres lots of people that say they want them but none of them say it with their wallet.


I really can't wait to get the rears from Andy.


They are coming shortly I will let you all know as SOON as I have them

[atlpd3147]

I skimed the 18 pages of this thread looking for information regarding what minimum size wheels I can run with your front bbk.. Didn't see any speifics.. Would 17" tt mkiv wheels have enough clearance or would I need 18" wheels? Thanks.

[rakkasan]

They are coming shortly I will let you all know as SOON as I have them

Cool, I'll be one of your first customers so let me know when you're taking money for them. :icon_bigg Question: I know we talked on the phone about the option of a porportioning valve OR a line lock, but is there a chance to have both? I'm willing to ditch the parking brake if needed because I can use the line lock to do the same thing, but I really want to be able to adjust the front/rear bias because I don't have ABS...

Also, these wil have superlight Wilwood calipers too, correct? Estimated price?

[arz]

atlpd3147:
I skimed the 18 pages of this thread looking for information regarding what minimum size wheels I can run with your front bbk.. Didn't see any speifics.. Would 17" tt mkiv wheels have enough clearance or would I need 18" wheels? Thanks.


Wow I cant believe I havent covered the Wheel size question but its possible. I realize thats a lot of reading to do.

I am not positive about MKIV 17's but all current aftermarket 17 inch wheels we have tried have fit fine. I had one exception from a customer in Norway but he had Custom built wheels that were not designed to clear bigger brakes the way all current wheels are today including stock wheels. If the stock sawblades were just a little bigger they too would clear these brakes, so I cant imagine MKIV stock 17's wont clear, but I cant say for sure.


Also, these wil have superlight Wilwood calipers too, correct? Estimated price?


Here are a few things I can tell you for sure about the rears. They will match the front rotor hats perfectly, the calipers will match exactly also (the piston diameters will obviously be sized perprotionally) and the price is targeted to be less than the fronts. You will be required to remove the rear parking brake, and yes I will probably supply the kit with both the perportioning valve and a line lock.

[NashMan]

Here are a few things I can tell you for sure about the rears. They will match the front rotor hats perfectly, the calipers will match exactly also (the piston diameters will obviously be sized perprotionally) and the price is targeted to be less than the fronts. You will be required to remove the rear parking brake, and yes I will probably supply the kit with both the perportioning valve and a line lock.


here is qestion i know they make addon ebrake calper's can this be added on and mabey make work i knwo they sell em caus ie sean them used befor

[rakkasan]

Here are a few things I can tell you for sure about the rears. They will match the front rotor hats perfectly, the calipers will match exactly also (the piston diameters will obviously be sized perprotionally) and the price is targeted to be less than the fronts. You will be required to remove the rear parking brake, and yes I will probably supply the kit with both the perportioning valve and a line lock.

That rocks, sign me up!

[arz]

Nash man, look thru the whole thread I already covered that. The small caliper Wilwood sells is a total POS more at home on a VERY cheep go cart. The pads suck and the mechanisim is a sanded off bolt that pushes into a cheep rod that wedges the pads (which are loose, meaning they rattle) into a brake pucks that falls out of the whole assembly once they are worn too much. It really is a very poor design. If you know of something different please let me know and I will look into them.

Dont worry, IF I do a mechanical parking brake assy for the rear it will use the original Supra brake shoes and I will make all the rear brake parts retrofitable so you will be able to upgrade later "IF" you want to. That is IF i make a rear kit with the factory parking brake setup.

The moral of the story is dont throw away your old parts.

[buckshotglass]

ok, so do you have a price for front and rear yet? I know it's not a "package deal," but I dont think I saw a real price for the rears.
Also, will the line lock work with ABS, on the front?
thanks

[arz]

As a matter of fact I do. I got a lot of work done on the rear brake kit, the whole weekend was deticated to the rear brake kit and I must say it looks great and works spectacular.

Tonight I will post photos of the rear kit but it looks like the price will be $995 without a Line Lock or Proportioning Valve. I havent got pricing on the Line lock or Proportioning Valve yet but I will later this week.

If you have ABS you dont need (shouldnt use) an adjustable proportioning valve. Right away I will offer a line lock for those that need a parking brake solution immediately.

The line lock might be a moot point, I have also been working on a design that would retain the parking brake in the factory location and be incorproated with the existing (new) Wilwood rear calipers. If everything works out you wont need a line lock. Also this design would be 100% transparent from the drivers seat.

One of the motivating factors (for me) is, I did not realize how often I used the parking brake to slow myself after I passed a cop (I drive 10-15 over almost every where). I do not advocate the practice but, I have been doing this (slowing the car with the parking so as not to alert the officer, with the brake lights) so long it is really a habit. I find it a detriment to my driving style not to have a parking brake (in the conventional location).

I am very excited about the new design and as always I will offer the parking brake setup as soon as I can.

As for the complete rear brake setup I will have them ready for sale some time next week. Also keep an eye on the MK3 Supra Reference/Tech-Tips page (http://www.supramania.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7). I will be posting the Brake install instructions there shortly.

[buckshotglass]

Thanks.
I guess my question was can I run the line loc, on the front, with the abs.
Nice product.
I really should get on your list before you get slammed with orders..

[arz]

Also, will the line lock work with ABS, on the front?


The short answer is yes.

I feel there might be some confusion as to what a line lock does or how it works.

A line lock is a device that is placed in line to trap pressurized brake fluid between the line lock and a brake caliper. Im confident everyone already knew this part. The way they function is, you apply brake pressure, you depress the line lock button/plunger/solenoid, you release the brake pedal. The pressure you applied is trapped between the brake pistons and the line lock device. Voila the car dosent move. To make the car move again will depend on which type of line lock you have installed. The parking brake type (the kind I sell) you apply pressure to the brake system again (you must exceed the initial pressure you applied) and the plunger will return all by itself. The brakes are then able to be used as they originally were intended.

There are multiple ways line locks can be used,
1. As a parking brake. (front or rear brakes)
On the front wheels as a dragracing aid
2. for locking the front brakes when in the burn out box. OR
3. for roll control while launching at the staging lights (usually activated/deactivated with a solenoid)

Also Front drive cars can use them on the rear brakes for the same results as the rear drive guys.

Line locks installed to be a substitute for a parking prake are usually installed near the console some where and usually tap into the rear brake line and trap the rear brake fluid after it has been pressurized by the master cylinder.

Line locks used for Drag racing (in RWD vehicles) usually employ a solenoid to decrease the re-routeing of the front brake lines and to provide instantaneous disengagement during lanuch.

The line locks I would provide would only be suited for a parking brake or for a burnout box (if plumbed properly) not for launch control at the staging lights.

There are a few caviats with line lock devices. They are using the existing brake fluid to pressurize the system so you must remember that it is not necessairy to push on the brake pedal with everything your worth. You will only be putting undue stress on every component in the braking system. Also if you have a leak (anywhere) it will leak down and you car WILL roll away. It is not recomended to leave a line lock pressurizing a system for an unreasonable amount of time (ie: winter storage, parking at an airport "for a week", on a steep hill "for any period of time") If you need to leave your car on an incline for any amount of time for any reason, CHOCK THE TIRES. Get a brick, turn the wheels, do anything, a line lock is NOT a fail safe device. I will cover this subject more in a line lock install thread.

[buckshotglass]

Understood.
thanks.

[popemobile]

I almost certainly already know the answer, but do sawblades fit over these?
Yes I do own a set of MKIV rims.

[arz]

Yea we already covered that but 18 pages is quite a bit to read thru.

They will fit over the rear kit but not the front. They only need a little clearancing to fit. Maybe I will have some turned on the inside diameter just to show how close they are to fitting. Hell they might even fit with 10 mm wheel spacers

[popemobile]

Oops sorry I didn't see that bit. Thanks so much! Wish I could buy them today, but unfortunately the motor comes first. Looks like a real great kit + great deal

[group a supra]

bump for a good kit guys mine is ace so order with confidence

[buckshotglass]

I just got my front kit today. Nicely done. Everything is as described, triple boxed. It's all good. Thanks Andy. Have a great holiday!

[Turbo Skegget]

One thing that I dont think have been cover yet. The weight of all these part compared with stock. Is there a weight increase or decrease?

Looking forward to see how you're solving the parking brakes. Then I'll order a kit for all four wheels.

[arz]

A couple of local guys and I speculated and I would guess its an increase only because the 13 inch rotor is 1.38 inches thick. It has a ton of mass but it sure does haul the car down quickly.

[buckshotglass]

I think the calipers are a lot lighter than the stock ones. I had them both in my hands today. The rotors are no doubt heavier.

A big turbo weighs more than a smaller stock one. It's all a trade off.

With this front kit, you do lose another piece that holds the old caliper, and the old dust shield, I didn't weigh them, so if you are going for every last ounce, factor that in.

[buckshotglass]

OK here are the real numbers. The old parts I took off...25 lbs
The new Wilwood kit.....23 lbs
Lighter/Better stoppage......Priceless
Merry Christmas!

[group a supra]

good post buckshot i forgot to weigh mine lol

[Turbo Skegget]

Nice! Not just much better brakes, but also lighter. Me like:biglaugh:

[ranger2339]

For an ebrake you guys can also use a CNC stageing brake, i use it for drifting, just make it lock up the rears instead of the fronts or vise versa!

I cant wait to get the F/R kit here soon.

Ax

[suprahooked]

How long are these going to be avaiable and at this price? I am very interested in them but need to save after X-Mas took its toll. Thanks John

[arz]

How long are these going to be avaiable and at this price?


Indefinately!!!

I plan to offer these for quite a while. The only reason the price would change is if my suppliers hike their prices.

[HamsMKIII]

Andy!

Hey buddy, I apologize for no write-up. My brake kit is still sitting in the garage awaiting installation. I promise, write-up will follow.

To anyone on the fence about the kit, I am very impressed with the build quality of the brackets and the rotor hats. Everything else is shelf parts from Wilwood, so it's hard to complain there!

Thanks again for putting this together.

- Chris

[arz]

^^^ No sweat ^^^

Its winter I figured there are several of my customers in the same boat. Dont wait too long all you guys its turbo weather.

The only items that are Wilwood are the Calipers, the Pads and the Rotors. I have everything else made specifically for this kit, right down to the plating on the fasteners.

I got the email confirmation from my shipper that Buckshotglass had received his kit. I went to email him (to ask if it arrived alright) and noticed the link (in his post) to his build thread for first time, I thumbed thru it and on the last page he had already posted pictures of the kit on his build thread. He called later that day for some install specifics and was already in the process of installing the kit.

I had to laugh.

His rear kit is going out the door this morning. You could say he is anxious, LOL.

[garagefujimoto]

I will be buying a front kit once my second car sells
I am gonna stick to slotted rotors, braided lines, prop valve and Endless S-Sport pads for the rear as i already own these things,, and they work good

Can't wait for this kit !
I sold my Night pager set-up just for this :)

[polobai]

got my kit in! I will post some pics of my install process if thats ok-what I started with-brembo blanks with steel braided lines and wagner pads, good for the street but not worth a damn at the track:1zhelp: (they only look like this becuase the car was sitting for a year)

[polobai]

Heres the kit ARZ sent me-didnt realize they were so big!

[polobai]

another shot of one side-

[polobai]

compared to the brembo blanks-

[polobai]

shot showing the thickness difference-just about twice as thick!

[polobai]

the difference in the caliper size.

[polobai]

from the top:

[polobai]

caliper bracket installed:

[polobai]

had to cut the dust sheild off-no biggie.

[polobai]

the remains-used a pair of sheers to do this damage:evil2:

[polobai]

rotors mounted up:

[polobai]

caliper mounted up-I did have to trim a tiny bit off the upper control arm for the calipers to fit correctly. Nothing 5 seconds and a dremel couldnt handle. (had to do this on both sides-but may just be my car)

[polobai]

brake lines installed. I think they are supposed to be connected to a rubber peice first and then to the metal hardline, but since I had my one peice steel lines before- I don't have that rubber peice anymore. They were long enough to fit directly to the brake hardline, and dont stretch at full lock. I think they should be fine.

[polobai]

one more:

[polobai]

money shot with the wheels installed:

[polobai]

Havent tested them yet-probably wont for a while as the car is still down. I plan to use some ATE Super Blue brake fluid(dot 4)-anyone have any luck with this? Thanks ARZ-now I just need a kit to replace these once you get them to work with the ebrake.

[HamsMKIII]

Funny.... I just installed mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/Brakes/DSC00483.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/Brakes/DSC00485.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/Brakes/DSC04365.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/Brakes/DSC04366.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/mahajiwo/Brakes/DSC04367.jpg

Things are a little dirty. I just got through bedding the pads and it's 45 degrees outside. I don't really feel like washing things right now :)

Overall impression, the brakes have a nice progressive feel. The first half of the pedal feels like normal brakes. As you go beyond half way, they really start to come online and slow the car down quickly. I have an STi with the stock Brembo GT brakes and Carbotech Panther + pads, and the feel is very similar. I'm impressed that it can stop as well given that it has at least 400lbs. on my STi.

BTW, I am running on a non-ABS car, and they are indeed very nice. I can lock up the fronts if I stab them, but if I have a smooth, linear push on the pedal, the car slows down quickly with almost no brake lock. I am quite happy.

I'm looking forward to the rear kit, I think it will serve me well considering how fast I get the car up to.

130mph - 20mph was very quick today, and I did this 4 times in a row. No fading present.

Thanks Andy!

- Chris

[polobai]

looks great-what kind of fluid are you running?

[mk3forme]

awesome pics guys!!! Thank you. Those brakes are beauteeeeeeful

[arz]

Excellent, glad you guys got them fitted. Thanks for posting all of the photos I have an install thread I am working on I just have to get all the photos hosted and sized properly.


130mph - 20mph was very quick today, and I did this 4 times in a row. No fading present.


Tell me you can do this with stock brakes even twice, the second stop is so scarry you dont even want to try a 3rd. Also you better be prepared with some good room for runoff.

Im glad to hear your using them and are happy with them. The biggest difficulty I found in testing is that I could lock up the tires at over 95 MPH it didnt get out of shape but I was trying to find out how hard I could stand on them from high speeds. You really have to stand on them at those speeds to get them to lock up, and I agree with you 100% they are very easy to modulate and feel just better than stock until you are into them more than 50% (pedal pressure) and then they feel just like they should progressive and solid. No more squishing into the unknown.

These brakes are no substitute for experience, please take graduated steps when learning the new limits of your car, brakes, and tires. These brakes WILL make the tires your new weak link when it comes to stopping. Remember it is the tires that actually stop the car, if you dont have stickier tires already you will want some. The good thing is since my front tires always last 3 or 4 times as long as my rears, you can afford to get stickier front tires and not worry about them going away as fast as the rears.

Hams, keep me posted on how your track event goes, I cant wait to hear.

[HamsMKIII]

Will do... I've been reading about the BP-20's. It's a very nice looking pad on the chart and supposedly a replacement for the E compound. I ended up ordering a set of E compounds so I'll let you know how I like them. I meant to ask you, which pad do you supply with the kit for reference?

- Hams

[arz]

Thats fine, I figured you might have found them elsewhere.

The pads I supply with the kit that I list as street pads are the BP-10's.

[garagefujimoto]

Lookin to buy the front kit as soon as my other car sells
Thanks for making this for all the serious MK3ers
Any new stuff in the works?

[kevinbonds]

Great kit i was all set to buy them but turns out I need a new rack, things keep popping up. This is really a good deal.

[arz]

Any new stuff in the works?
Plenty of new cool stuff but I cant tell you what it is I just have to show you when its ready for you to buy. If I just told you about it you guys would have a thousand questions. If I showed you a picture.....

Trust me you will like whats coming this year.

[Brewster]

Plenty of new cool stuff but I cant tell you what it is I just have to show you when its ready for you to buy. If I just told you about it you guys would have a thousand questions. If I showed you a picture.....

Trust me you will like whats coming this year.

now you really gotta tell us lol!

[TTime24]

Ill def. be buying this kit when i get a little more cash flow together, seeing as my rotors are almost gone and ill need new break pads by then and i just got some nice new sportmax 006 rims :naughty:. So i figured midez well spend my money wisely and get my breaks situated.

[arz]

I finally posted the install thread.

Checkit.

Wilwood front brake install thread (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35175) Be careful theres tons of pictures.

[arz]

Product is IN STOCK!!! UPS showed up at 5pm with tons and tons of stuff.

Fronts and rears in stock!!!

[mk3forme]

Very nice. Awesome instructions!

[arz]

^^^Thanks Glad you liked them^^^

I tried to cover everything as thuroghly as possible

[woodytsi]

pm sent

[Ckanderson]

great product.. this is probibly what i will end up running...

[Poodles]

arz, thought you would be interested in this tidbit from the March issue of Sport Compact Car. Got a wide picture, and a shot fo the text only. Hope this helps to persuade people that Wilwood makes good stuff. On a side note though, they say that Wilwoods are lighter and cheaper than Stoptech's or Brembo's calipers, so they seem to flex under hard braking. Still, over the stock brake's crappy slides that often sieze of wear causing uneven wear...
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8924/imgp2134pa8.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9885/imgp2135oj1.jpg

[arz]

Yea, it seemed my say-so and 22+ years of experience from my supplier with Wilwoods was not enough for some people. Hell I will give you his number and you can speak to him yourself if you want to hear it straight from him.

I knew they were very light, but never compared them 1 for 1 to the competitions products. Dollar for dollar there are no better calipers on the planet.

I can get Wilwood calipers with dust boots on the pistons but never really advertised because I figured that if they (perspective customers) were serious they would have PM'd me with serious questions about different calipers, instead of knocking something they are never going to buy.

I have known for a long time that a dust boot for each piston is just that "a DUST boot". I will stand by my earlier statement. "If 2000 PSI of brake fluid cant get out what pressure of water do you think is getting in?" If you say corrosion, then maybe you should do a few solid stops before you put the car away to boil all the rain water you got in between the piston and the caliper.

Thanks for posting that, but I have known for a very long time, you can never really change someones mind, you can only educate them, and even then most people wont listen.

[lenny]

I cant to pick up a set

[Van Diesel]

arz do we contact you via PM to pick up a set for front/rear?

[arz]

Yea fire me a PM and I will get you my PP address and the total price to your door.

[Van Diesel]

arz,

I'll be ordering both front and rear. I'm just waiting on the e-brake issue to be resolved (I use the e-brake a lot to induce slide).

[ToyoHabu]

Arz,

Got my kit today, excellent product. Old rotors look so puny next to the new :icon_bigg

[arz]

^^^Excellent Im glad you like them^^^
I should post photos of the before and after, my photos (all by themselves)dont do them justice, the calipers alone are so huge, its funny to hold one of each in each hand.


Van Diesel:
If you only use it for sliding you can get turning brakes (like for a dune buggy or sand car) and when mine come along switch back to mine.

Im getting the same story from you guys about parking brakes as I got from people about the rear brakes.

This is what I heard from plenty of people:
"As soon as you make rear brakes I will buy your fronts"

So then I make rears, and I hear:
"As soon as you make a parking brake, I will buy your front and rear"

I wonder what I will hear next.

Trust me I am working on it and I will succeed, but, take a look around at all the other platforms of vehicles. How many offer a parking brake with a rear big brake option? This is no small feat, but I will succeed!!!

[mk3forme]

Determination! That is what I like to hear

[dcrusupra]

"As soon as you make a parking brake, I will buy your front and rear"

:evil2: I will, I promise. lol. I need it, i hardly ever put my car in gear to park it. Will the rears be offered in a slotted design?

[arz]

I need it,
I dont want to mislead anyone. This parking brake that I am designing is for loading your vehicle on a trailer or for temporary (as in not over the weekend) application ONLY. The system I am considering designing is a line lock in hydraulic function with the factory parking brake lever applying the pressure. It might very well hold the vehicle for a day or week or month. BUT it will be using hydraulic pressure, using the very calipers and lines to the back brakes (or front if you chose to plumb it that way) that it already uses. Would you leave your foot on the brakes for a month straight? You probably could but its not recommended. Would I trust this brake to keep my pride and joy from rolling down a Sanfrancisco street while I ate dinner at a fashonable restraunt? HELL NO!!! Can you use this setup for Drifting? Probably with no problem at all but I cant guarntee it. Should you use this brake while you store your car for the winter? HELL NO!!! Should you let your girlfrined/wife/brother/friend criuse down to the Quickie Mart and expect them to apply enough pressure with out being told how this system works? Probably not!!! This brake should be used for passing inspection at facilities and states/countries that require your street registered RACE car to have such a device.

If your car had this (full Wilwood brake kit front and rear with my parking brake) modification alone there would be no problem with drivability and roadworthyness. But lets face it, if you have modified your car this much, Im sure it already has some personality querk that keeps you from handing the keys to just anybody (with no advise) with a drivers license, already. From lowered suspension, to tires rubbing on the fenders at just the right angle, to a lower front lip, to an adjustable boost controller, to a down pipe that might scrape at this entrance or that. These cars are not stock and this is just another evolution away from stock and should be treated as such.


i hardly ever put my car in gear to park it.
Neither did I!!! Trust me you will get used to it. When it comes to an improvement (in performance) like this you will live with personality querks that come with it.


Will the rears be offered in a slotted design?
Not that I anticipate.

The problem with offering more and more options is that the price goes way up. The extra effort involved in stocking and managing all the different configurations of slotted and non are not worth it. Think of balancing alone. What if I slot a perfectly good rotor and send it to the customer and it turns out to be out of balance. Then how much did offering more options really gain me?!?!

If they (Wilwood) offer them in the future then yea I might, if the price is right. But not right now, sorry.

[Mo87NA]

The work you've done here is incredible and although I'm still somewhat a bit aways from purchasing a gorgeous kit like this, I must say that I have a remote start in my supra. It also serves as a turbo timer etc (a very nice piece). So I do use my parking brake for everything bc if not, I would start the car and it would go flying. I'm still about $2K away from finishing my complete build-up, but if and when you resolve the parking brake issue, I'd be very interested to see how it works out. Thanks again for all of your hard work. We all appreciate it.

Mo

[Poodles]

I know you said the mini calipers for use as a parking brake from wilwood suck, maybe there is another option you know about?

I'm kinda in the same boat as him ^^

not saying I wouldn't by it regardless, just looking for a good solution...

[garagefujimoto]

Fronts in stock? i have $ in 2 weeks