MKIII Wilwood 13 inch 4 piston front brakes

[arz]

Yup, there "IN STOCK"!!! Seems there are a few others that are on the same schedule as you too.

Talk to you in 2 weeks.

[Trust_GTE]

Yup, there "IN STOCK"!!! Seems there are a few others that are on the same schedule as you too.

Talk to you in 2 weeks.


Not me:evil2: ...you got pm wilwood brakes dude:werd: .

-Tom

[csnow]

Can you tell me what the "service" price will be for this kit? I will be daily driving this, so I would like to know what replacement rotors and pads will run. I saw Hams post $100 on the rotors, what about the pads? I will be ordering a set from you when I receive your response.

Chris

[arz]

I have had a set of these pads on a street driven car for over 10 years, I attended many auto cross events and I drive like a maniac on the street. Unless you actually road race 140+ MPH for stops dozens and dozens of times you can expect these pads to last much much longer than a stock set of pads during street driven use.

These brakes are such a huge improvement over stock performance you really will be very very pleased.

A replacement set of pads goes for anywhere between $69 and $100+ depending on the compound. Generally I sell pads for around $80 bucks. Dont quote me because prices do change and I havent checked them recently.

Also these rotors have so much meat on them that you will be able to cut them several times before they need replacement.

Im not really sure what you mean by the "service price"

[csnow]

That is what I was looking for....poor choice of words.

[tissimo]

Chris buy me a set too! i will get a set when I get some extra money.. (i think the 3rd time i've said it)

[csnow]

Give me the total shipped to 32907. I also need your paypal, you can pm me. Also, what is the timeline on the rear e-brake? I would like to do this at the same time since I have a non-abs 89.

Thanks

Chris

[csnow]

I got another dumb question, try not to laugh :) Do you know of a spare tire rim (make, model, and tire size) that will not only fit over the brakes but also in the trunk well? I drive my car on trips and don't won't to hit the road without a spare.

[Trust_GTE]

Andy,

Just recieved my brake kit today, WOW!! awesome, awesome kit. I can't wait to bolt them up, just wanna say thanks. It was worth EVERY dime. Do you have the 1JZ oil block fitting in stock, in need of one. -Tom

[arz]

Yep sure do, heres the link http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20582

LMK

[Trust_GTE]

Yep sure do, heres the link http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20582

LMK

check your paypal! thanks -Tom

[tissimo]

I got another dumb question, try not to laugh :) Do you know of a spare tire rim (make, model, and tire size) that will not only fit over the brakes but also in the trunk well? I drive my car on trips and don't won't to hit the road without a spare.
chris a mkiv spare should work I would assume. I've fit a front TT wheel in my spare tire well..

[arz]

Trust: Got your payment for the 1JZ -10 turbo oil return fitting

tissimo: Thanks for the help, Also Im pretty sure a Nissan Infinity spare tire will fit too, the spare is on a unique looking asymetric magnesium wheel that will help keep the weight down! LOL

[nickel and dimed]

hey

The brakes are still being made right. I am interested but have to find a body first. Just checking to make sure.

[arz]

There on the shelf right this moment. Dont Worry I will be right here when ever you are ready.

If anybody else is concerned, dont worry I am registered in the state of Arizona and the City of Mesa as "Arizona Performance", this is a business to me, not a hobby, I plan on being here for quite a while.

More parts are in the works, Im just stalled on a few projects at home not Supra related. 1st part of May watch for more new products to roll out the door.

[nickel and dimed]

Sweet!

I look forward to doing business with you.

[turbogate]

I received my Front Kit Yesterday. Thanks a lot Andy, All I can say is WOW! the kit is amazing. My Friends at the shop were in shock of how big and thick the rotors and calipers are. Thanks Again, will post pics as soon as I install them.

[arz]

And the looks arent the best part. Wait until you have them bedded in properly and stand on them with sticky tires. It really is shocking how good they work.

Yea, photos dont do them justice HUH ?!?!?!

[Stu_22]

Finally fitted mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Stu_22/Supra/DSC00315.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Stu_22/Supra/DSC00317.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Stu_22/Supra/DSC00318.jpg



Look foward to testing them

[arz]

OK lets try this again.

Remove the caliper.
Remove the rotor.
Remove the caliper bracket.

Start from here:
1. Install the caliper bracket with NO shims. Make sure the fasteners are installed in the order shown on the instructions.

2. Install the rotor hat and rotor assembly

3. Install 3 lugnuts finger tight to hold rotor snug on the hub. Use a wrench if needed. Make sure to remove all rust and scale from the hub surface with a wire brush, as I show in the instructions.

4. Install the caliper over the rotor and see if it dosent fit almost perfect right up to the caliper bracket.

5. Install fasteners and check pads to make sure the pistons are completely retracted.

6. Check to see if the rotor has resistance to rotating freely. Most likely it will have some any more than 20-25 ft lbs and you might want to install one of the thin shims I included.

7. Install wheel and see if it rotates fine. In a perfect world the rotor would rotate easily. In my experience the rotor will have a slight amount of resistance, which will all but disappear after your first spin down the street. Your first trip will use about 1.5 mm of pad and there will be no resistance at all other than the pad contacting the rotor as it did with the factory brakes.

Please complete all these steps and email me back ASAP.

Also please send me a photo of where you installed the washers, I am very surprised you needed any shimming at all.

If you need the shims chances are you will be able to remove them after you put less than 200 miles on them.

I recommend everyone considering purchasing brakes, please read the instructions thuroghly. Heres a link to the Front Brake Installation Instructions (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35175)

[Yellow 13]

Would these calipers cause a problem in pedal feel/response if used with the stock master cylinder?

I met someone with these calipers and his pedal was pretty soft even compared to stock. It was an ABS system, steel lines, new fluid (Blue stuff), no air in the system and everything seemed to work as it should, but the pedal was soft and he pretty much had to stand on it to get full braking.

What I'm asking is " Does the stock master cylinder move enough fluid to apply sufficient pressure?"

[buckshotglass]

YES.

[arz]

Yes, the stock master is perfect, no upgrade is required.

Your friend dosent own my brakes does he? If I had a customer with problems like that I would work with them until it was perfect. BTW I have never had a customer with problems like that.

MINE FEEL AMAZING, ask any one of my customers.

OK heres a few stupid questions for your friends with the mushy brakes.

1. Did he install them with the bleeders up? (Dont laugh, I have seen everything)

2. Did he start the bleeding process with the inboard circut then move out board?

3. Did he repeat that process (inboard then out)?

4. How many bleeders did you/he touch per caliper? (dont laugh, the proper answer 2 bleeders per caliper)

The other guys dont answer any questions about their brakes HUH?

Also make sure you use the proper brake fluid. I dont know what the blue stuff is but the Wilwood box states the exact type of fluid you should use. I have had excellent results with Valvoline synthetic brake fluid found at Autozone.

DO NOT USE That DOT 5.1 it will eat the seals.

I met a person with Wilwoods all around and he had been driving the car for 2 years with AIR in the inboard pistons, he had never bled the air out of the inboard circut, and the brakes still actually stopped the vehicle. He was not my customer, he just had questions for me once he found out I knew all about Wilwoods. I was surprised the car would even stop.

[rakkasan]

Mine feel great! One of the best mods I've done to my car. They work so good that I'm scared shitless to stand on the brakes. They're that good.....

[garagefujimoto]

Picked my box up the other day
The kit looks kickass
Thanks for making this a reality

[arz]

Mine feel great! One of the best mods I've done to my car. They work so good that I'm scared shitless to stand on the brakes. They're that good.....

Dont be afraid, I do it repeatedly, Im anxious to see what other part of my cars suspension I break first. It stops so hard with stickey tires its unreal.

I need to post a video soon.

[crisp]

Hey, I'm new here... (3rd Supra... 1st turbo... had the "T" for over a dozen years... I'm no Soup newb!)

Anyway... NEED BRAKES!!!


Looks like these are still available? Price still 1195 + ship?

I'll go back and read ALL posts on the threads and suggested links... but I have ALWAYS been interested in Wilwoods... sounds like you are my source?

Please confirm availability and price... and I'll start looking into my budget!

THANKS!

-crisp

[arz]

Thats correct, that is the price, not including S&H.

I have them on the shelf as we speak.

Check your PM's

[Midnight Dorifuta]

Dont be afraid, I do it repeatedly, Im anxious to see what other part of my cars suspension I break first. It stops so hard with stickey tires its unreal.

I need to post a video soon.
And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

[turbotrev]

If anyone is looking for a BBK get the Willwoods b/c OMFG they are the shit period. !!! I rode in Andy's supra tonite and all i can say is WOW! He would be going about 90mph and get hard on the brakes and we would stop within 4-5 car lengths it was crazy. Ive done some stupid and crazy shit b4 in a car but what he was doing made my asswhole pucker to the size of a needle and a big ol' smile on my face.

for the price of the kit your getting top notch products and the machining is magnificent.


trev

[Clifton]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

Don't know what your .02 added to this.

BBK's aren't intended for people like you. 40K tires on a sporty car, way to enjoy it. Try some decent street tires. It's not just about stopping one time at 45mph, his kit will let you do it repeatedly from whatever speed (100+) without ever wondering if it will stop like that if you do it again. When you have alot of power you tend to play alot and you need to haul it down.

[arz]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

^^^ Excellent contribution ^^^

The brakes on any car are not measured by how soon they can lock up the tire. They are measured by how fast you can stop your vehicle. How sticky your tires are will determine how fast you can lock them up. Now try that 5 times from 100 mph down to 5 mph. See how good your stock brakes do.

As soon as you double the HP of any vehicle you will soon see why you need good brakes and tires.

[crisp]

^^^ I appreciate the comments in response to the "LOCK-UP-LOGIC" as previously stated... (no offense... I understand the "point-of-diminishing-returns" consideration there... but that is really a "mute" argument in this fold of performance NUTS that many of us reside...)

Being also a MOTORCYCLIST, I know ALL TOO WELL the issues associated with FADE under heavy brake use! Heck, I've caused brakes to FADE on an econobox SLUG of a car before... just by driving in a SPIRITED, AGGRESSIVE, or EMERGENCY AVOIDENCE manner.

My objective is not just to STOP, but to be able to DECELERATE REPEATEDLY with LITTLE or NO degradation of my braking capabilities... and to do so with GREAT AUTHORITY and CONTROL. (That doesn't happen with CHEAP or simply GOOD brakes... only with OUTSTANDING components and design.)

Anyway... I'm keenly impressed with the variety of SUPPORTIVE information related to the WILWOOD brakes so far. (When you absolutely HAVE to STOP and you are ABLE to do so... the MONEY is quickly forgotten... but if you CAN'T stop and DON'T... you'll NEVER FORGET the measly couple hundred that WOULD have made the difference, eh?)

MY .02:wiggle:

-crisp

[crisp]

...on another note... I've ALSO locked-up my brakes/tires on said "econobox"... that doesn't mean the brakes were PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH for the performance needs... rather, it is indicative of TIRES-to-ROAD that reached their FRICTION LIMIT before the BRAKING friction coefficient was overcome...


...me thinks...


-crisp

[rakkasan]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

Your $0.02 isn't worth $0.01. Brake mods are more critical than mods to the motor.

[Poodles]

all these comments are from people that have NEVER pushed their car hard enough to see the major weakness of stock brakes.

got into some serious twisties where you're hard on the throttle and then hard on the brakes and THEN you'll see just how bad our brakes are.

Hell, just ONE stop from 120mph will tell you how bad they suck...

[garagefujimoto]

I am between jobs and should sell these to pay for food but they are so awesome that I will never part with them

For all of you with employment who actually put your Supras' to work, there is no reason for you not to buy this, it is about the easiest piece of kit I've seen and it kicks ass

[csnow]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.


Coming into a vendor section and posting this sort of junk should get you baned. Grow up and stay out of the vendor section. This is a quality product and I am sure your stock brakes work as well as mine. The stock brakes are the worst part of the MK3. I think the mechanical engineer that designed these left Toyota and became the lead design engineer at Yugo. You are probably too young to even know what that is. Enough rant....

[Ckanderson]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

dont be an idiot. As everyone above me has already explained how a big brake system will help, thier is no need to reitterate. Posting something like that will get you a warning.

Dont do it again.

[shaeff]

And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

we don't come into your house and stomp our muddy shoes all over your clean kitchen floor. don't do it to others. first warning.

(and i only warn people once) ;)

this set is worth EVERY penny, and i WILL be buying one before mid-summer. if you do your brakes and pass up this deal, you are literally insane.

-shaeff

[crisp]

we don't come into your house and stomp our muddy shoes all over your clean kitchen floor. don't do it to others. first warning.

(and i only warn people once) ;)

this set is worth EVERY penny, and i WILL be buying one before mid-summer. if you do your brakes and pass up this deal, you are literally insane.

-shaeff


Hmmmm... at THIS point, gentlemen...

I am SOLD on THIS brake kit... by TESTIMONIAL PASSION ALONE, if not ALSO the provided TECHNICAL support and EXPERIENCE others have shared regarding the product.

Very useful thread in my considerations,

Thank you,

-crisp

[garagefujimoto]

Midnight Dorifuta
And my stock-SIZED set with brembo calipers and PBR semi-metallic pads lock 235-width 40,000k rated tires so easy (ESPECIALLY in the rain) that I think upgrading to Wilwoods would be pointless and silly for such the loot.

But that's just my $0.02.

Apparently you don't do any "Midnight Dorifuta" or you would understand the need for such a well engineered kit to help you protect your life, you poser

[fast 7m]

how long will this price last i am short on dough right now?

[supramad77]

Can i have a price for the front set shipped to the UK to TQ6 9GA.
Just had my hg finished with 2mm Titan gasket with arp's. Now running 1bar boost so need more meat up front.

[arz]

how long will this price last i am short on dough right now?Until Wilwood or one of my other suppliers hikes the price on me. I have already had one increase since December 06, but it wasnt enough for me to pass it on.

supramad77: Check your PM's

[T701jz]

I'll be ordering a set once I'm done with my rebuild.

[2turboZ]

I am going to be looking to get these once my car is up and running.

Is it still readily available or is there a lead time?

[arz]

They are on the shelf at this moment. I can ship within 24 hours. 99% of the time I can get them in the mail the same afternoon.

[SoulBlade]

Andy already has my money, though we've got something special in the works. :evil2: I'll make sure pictures go up when they're ready.

Took a ride in his demo car. I think some of my teeth are still on the floor. What can I say? The guy is an expert, hands down. He does this because he loves it, and that's hard to find these days.

[turbotrev]

hey andy the six pistons look sick keep up the innovations

if you need any help dont hesitate to call me im usually free on the weekends.

trev

ps. if you need a geunie(sp?) pig car im willing to use my new project car thats coming in at the end of july.

[crisp]

Hey, I think someone asked before...

SIX piston -vs- FOUR piston... Andy, I think you said the FOUR were "plenty adequate"... or something like that?

Are the SIX piston superior in any specific ways?

- FEEL
- FADE RESISTANCE
- INITIAL "BITE-IN"
- OVERALL CLAMPING FORCE
- etc...

???

I believe you mentioned a price differential as well... a buck or buck and a half... something like that?

How much more for SIX piston set?

Is the availability and compatability the same?

Which would YOU apply if you were making the choice?:naughty:


(Sorry for the numerous questions and posts... if I'm gonna put a "big brake" kit, I wanna get it right! The "incremental cost" between 4 & 6 piston is SMALL compared to the sense of "I shoulda" that could result if I "settle" in my initial choice.)

Thank you for your continual feedback. I continue to work on my budget and project sequence by priority... and the brakes continue to vie for "pole position" lately!:icon_wink


-crisp

[crisp]

...oh yeah, one other question:

I'm SURE it would be BEST to put these on the REAR as well... but if my budget/priority is an issue... would you say:

WILWOOD KIT on FRONT + "overhauled" STOCK rear

...is a decent combination? Would the balance be acceptable since the front take up so much of the load anyway?

What would YOU suggest as the "minimum" you would do with the REARs if your Wilwoods were not an immediate option?


Thank you again for your expert advice. Previous posts in here suggest you may be able to provide sound recommendations to these questions.

-crisp

[supramad77]

I would think the 6 pot are better there would be no point in making them. As to weather they are needed i would think not. I doubt you will ever have the hp needed for such a huge upgrade. Group A supra is only running 4 pot and hopes for 1000bhp out of his motor.
That said if i could afford 6 pot i would have them just for bragging rights. LOL

[Poodles]

they also make 8 pot, but the MKIV guys have found them to be sub-par compared to a good 6 pot (or even 4 pot)

This is all bragging rights, just like drilled and slotted rotors, ect done by the OEM makers...

arz would have made a 6 pot kit if he thought it was better, trust me...

Using the stock rear brakes would be "ok," but not as good as an overall system compared to a rear upgrade. You can use the MKIV rears (needs very little work) to help and balane it out, or get his kit (I'm thinking of using the MKIV rears since I can keep my normal e-brake...

On that note, doesn't wilwood make a kit for the rear on a MKIV? If they did you could use the parts off of that arz...

[crisp]

Well, thanks for the feedback... I don't know that "bragging rights" are that important to me. I suspect a good performing 4 pot is "bragging rights" enough, compared to what I've GOT!

...hmmm... even the guys RACING these things think 4 pot are enough?!


That's probably all I need to know... I won't be "racing"... so street performance is what counts. (Although I DO occassionally push the "limits" a little bit... but NOTHING like on a track.)

Just to have the WILWOODs will be "bragging rights" around here anyway!

"arz"... if you have anything to add... I'm still interested in your take on it.:icon_wink


-crisp

[Adrian98]

the number of "pots" for the most part is just a number. i'm thinking about getting the fronts but i only got half the money at the moment

[arz]

Sorry for the delay I didnt realize I had so many unanswered posts.

Soulblade, Trev: Thanks for the comments and offer.


Hey, I think someone asked before...SIX piston -vs- FOUR piston... Andy, I think you said the FOUR were "plenty adequate"... or something like that?Yea they are plenty adequate but that wont keep me from developing new product. The 6 pistons are truely cool as hell.



Are the SIX piston superior in any specific ways?Yes I cant comment on all the different ways in respect to feel but they are a 100% machined exterior body and they have differential bores to provide a "lead in" bite on the pad. This reduces wear and squeaking. There is no doubt it is a superior caliper in every way. I will comment more later.




I believe you mentioned a price differential as well... a buck or buck and a half... something like that?
How much more for SIX piston set?Yea they are $350 more per set, so the front kit would be $1545.




Is the availability and compatability the same?Yes, they even use the same pad as my 4 piston calipers.



would you say:
WILWOOD KIT on FRONT + "overhauled" STOCK rear...is a decent combination? Would the balance be acceptable since the front take up so much of the load anyway?Yes especially on an ABS equipped vehicle. If you were non ABS I would upgrade the rears ASAP



What would YOU suggest as the "minimum" you would do with the REARs if your Wilwoods were not an immediate option?I think you would be fine if you had ABS, I drove mine quite a while with just the fronts and since the fronts do so much more work, I think you might be fine until you really pushed the limits of the vehicle.



I would think the 6 pot are better there would be no point in making them. As to weather they are needed i would think not. I doubt you will ever have the hp needed for such a huge upgrade. Group A supra is only running 4 pot and hopes for 1000bhp out of his motor.
That said if i could afford 6 pot i would have them just for bragging rights. LOLI can say this over and over, but you really cannot fathom how fast these brakes hauls this car down. Both Turbo Trev and Soulblade have been for a spin with in the last month. I really hope these guys can chime in with some real world description of how they work.



arz would have made a 6 pot kit if he thought it was better, trust me...They have been in the works for a while, I just havent had much time lately.



.... or get his kit (I'm thinking of using the MKIV rears since I can keep my normal e-brake......Im very close to starting on the rears with factory functioning parking brake.



On that note, doesn't wilwood make a kit for the rear on a MKIV? If they did you could use the parts off of that arz...I have never heard anything about them. Im not disputing it, I just dont know about it. If you see them please send me the info and I will look into them as this will save me quite a bit of time in design.

[Poodles]

my bad, it's Precision Brakes that makes a MKIV upgrade for the rear, it uses wilwood components though...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/Toyota/Supra_93-98/Precision_Brakes/Brakes/Big_Brake_Kits/part/4_Piston_Rear

[crisp]

arz,

Thank you kindly for your thorough responses.

-crisp

[arz]

my bad, it's Precision Brakes that makes a MKIV upgrade for the rear, it uses wilwood components though...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/Toyota/Supra_93-98/Precision_Brakes/Brakes/Big_Brake_Kits/part/4_Piston_Rear
At those prices I dont think there are any MK3 owners that would buy those "just to see" if they fit. Besides thats a ton of cash to drop without even seeing a photo of what they look like. Thats $900 more than my front kit.

I think if thats my competition, you will all be very happy when I come out with my rear kit that includes the factory parking brake. WOW thats some serious coin for rear brakes. Im not saying the actual price, because I dont know it but I will say they are a lot less than that.

My Front 14 inch kit will be right around that range. If you know anything about 14's you know thats a great deal. The rotors alone are around $600 and the calipers are more than $450 a piece after pads, then you need all my custom parts just to hang them on the car.

[Doward]

First I want to get my car back running again - but after I do, I'll need some whoa to match the go ;)

And I know where to go after saving my pennies up again :D

I'm just hoping you'll have the factory parking brake sorted out by then. I'm swapping to a stick shift (the Supra is the only one of 5 cars I own, that is automagic!) but I'm just.... so damn used to tossing it into neutral and hitting the parking brake when I stop - I couldn't imagine it not working!

[kwnate]

These are the rear brakes I have http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/Toyota/Supra_86-92/Precision_Brakes/Brakes/Big_Brake_Kits/part/4_Piston_RearBasically the ARZ kit with a parking brake. Thats a $700 parking brake :(

The fit was horrible, they shipped the wrong stuff two times and in general are assholes. (precision brakes not HPF's) I'm pleased with the performance though.

If ARZ had these out sooner I'd have his... I'd like to see a parking brake though :) Now my 1j car needs brakes :aigo:

[buckshotglass]

I'm waiting for the 10 pot kit.;)

[crisp]

I'm waiting for the 10 pot kit.;)

Just get the FOUR pot NOW... and add the SIX LATER:naughty:


(Couldn't resist!)

I'm working on my PIGGY for the FOUR POT myself...


-crisp

[buckshotglass]

Andy knows I'm just bustin'. I already have both his front and rear kits. It's all good.

[Poodles]

good to hear your feedback arz, I know yours will probably be cheaper, and fit better...

no e-brake would be a failed inspection for me, and I would hate for someone to drive my car (it does happen) and not use the e-brake right...

As soon as my damn car is sorted (basicly, once all the maintenance is done) I'm saving for your brakes. I'm not much above stock and I've already pushed the stock brakes to the fading point...not a good feeling

[rakkasan]

I can say this over and over, but you really cannot fathom how fast these brakes hauls this car down. Both Turbo Trev and Soulblade have been for a spin with in the last month. I really hope these guys can chime in with some real world description of how they work.


They work so well that you can easily bruise your chest with the seat belt during braking. A little exaggerated, but you get the point. They are awesome!

[rakkasan]

I would think the 6 pot are better there would be no point in making them. As to weather they are needed i would think not. I doubt you will ever have the hp needed for such a huge upgrade. Group A supra is only running 4 pot and hopes for 1000bhp out of his motor.
That said if i could afford 6 pot i would have them just for bragging rights. LOL

You don't realize how powerful the 4 pots are. If I were to buy a set again, I would stick with the 4 pots, not the 6 pots. The 4 pots will stop you quicker than you should ever need to stop on the street, no joke.

[supramad77]

You don't realize how powerful the 4 pots are. If I were to buy a set again, I would stick with the 4 pots, not the 6 pots. The 4 pots will stop you quicker than you should ever need to stop on the street, no joke.

Aggeed! I will going for the 4 pot. Might be having Group A supras set as he now fancies the 6 pot set up.
The 4 pot will be plenty for me i have no plans to exceed 400 bhp. My car is already too fast for where i live with 300bhp at the wheels. LOL

[Supracentral]

You know folks, there's a thing called tact... Since some of you don't appear to have any, I'll make this clear.

You do not post a link to a competitors products in a vendors' forum. When you are in one of these forums, you are considered to be standing in an extension that vendors place of business.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? You want to discuss this vendors products, you do it in this forum.

You want to discuss someone else's products, you don't do it in a vendors forum. It's not only uncool, but rude and thoughtless.

Please stop acting like complete barbarians.

[ippyness]

Andys the man. these brakes are sweet. i have the first mkiv/sc kit. :D

[adampecush]

Andy, I sent you a PM regarding these a week ago, and it was never replied to....

[arz]

I just looked twice, I am very good about responding, even if I cant help. Please PM again, I am not prone to group deletes, but I have over 800 PM's and I might have accidentally deleted yours when I was cleaning last week.

Sorry, please send again, go to your sent items and please forward it again.

[adampecush]

I just looked twice, I am very good about responding, even if I cant help. Please PM again, I am not prone to group deletes, but I have over 800 PM's and I might have accidentally deleted yours when I was cleaning last week.

Sorry, please send again, go to your sent items and please forward it again.
sent again.

[arz]

Got it!!! Thanks, sorry for making you send it twice. MY BAD!!!

[turbogate]

Sharing some pics of my Front ARZ kit installed:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/turbogate/resized-DSC01149.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/turbogate/resized-DSC01150.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/turbogate/resized-DSC01153.jpg

They are fully bedded in now, and are amazing. I need some real tires now:icon_bigg

Thanks for a great product, Andy

[arz]

Awesome, thanks for the photos, your car looks awesome, the height, the color, the lip, the wing, I never see red in AZ, the brakes look great on there. Are those 16 inch wheels? Those brakes look huge in those wheels.

[turbogate]

Are those 16 inch wheels? Those brakes look huge in those wheels.

They are actually 17 inches, but the center piece takes a lot of space/clearance away. I love how it fills the whole wheel:icon_bigg

[adampecush]

hot damn, i've got the brakes now, they are huge! I can't wait to get them on the car.

turbogate - what are you using on the rear of the car? They look rather big - they're not mk4 TTs by any chance are they?

[kwnate]

ttt

[kwnate]

BAD ASS BRAKES

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/kwnate/DSC08129.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/kwnate/DSC08131.jpg

[crisp]

Everyday, I'm ONE PHONE CALL or EMAIL from putting these on my car!


Soon, Arz... soon.:love:


-crisp

[upgradedsupra]

BAD ASS BRAKES

DSC08129.jpg

DSC08131.jpg

Nice!..but better in person and even nicer that you have it lowered with coilovers.

Duane

[AGlobalThreat]

BAD ASS BRAKES

DSC08129.jpg

DDSC08131.jpg

Wow very nice. I love the setup, wingless, turn signal covers, and the rims/ride height are perfect, and of course the badass brakes ;)

[250sx]

I'm interested in the kit, but for an sc400. The Supra MKIV BBK will work fine if you guys make an application for those.

[ippyness]

yup. there made :P

[arz]

I'm interested in the kit, but for an sc400. The Supra MKIV BBK will work fine if you guys make an application for those.

Yea PM me or email me and I will give you the details.

[mr-edo]

Hi,

Awesome brakes, I want some. Two questions:

Where do the brakes foul the standard saw blades?

Could you do a 12" set of brakes for the front?

Seriously interested in a set of front brakes. The question I have is about wheel clearance. I am running MkIV 16" rims on 25mm spacers, and I have so many spare rims and such a stack of spare good tyres that I want to burn up on the track that changing to 17's is not an option.

Reading through everything so far I see that 17 inch rims are recommended, and that the brakes foul the original saw blades by 1/4 inch - but where? I if knew where the brakes hit the saw blades I could compare my MKIV rims to see if they might clear.

Alternatively I am interested in a 12" front set - is this possible?

Thanks.

[arz]

Hi,

Awesome brakes, I want some. Two questions:

Where do the brakes foul the standard saw blades?

Could you do a 12" set of brakes for the front?

Seriously interested in a set of front brakes. The question I have is about wheel clearance. I am running MkIV 16" rims on 25mm spacers, and I have so many spare rims and such a stack of spare good tyres that I want to burn up on the track that changing to 17's is not an option.

Reading through everything so far I see that 17 inch rims are recommended, and that the brakes foul the original saw blades by 1/4 inch - but where? I if knew where the brakes hit the saw blades I could compare my MKIV rims to see if they might clear.

Alternatively I am interested in a 12" front set - is this possible?

Thanks.I realize this is a 6 piston template, the 4 piston affords a bit more room and I have yet to finish that template but I will work on it soon if you need.

Let me know if theres anything else I can do to help.

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57089

[suprahooked]

Andy: These are next on my list , Does the front brakes fit with 17 in wheel with =41 offset and 9 in wide? Thanks John

[arz]

Andy: These are next on my list , Does the front brakes fit with 17 in wheel with =41 offset and 9 in wide? Thanks John

It shouldnt be any problem, but its not the offset its the caliper clearance.

Look here http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57089

Slide down and Watch the video here (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2444.AVI)

[suprahooked]

It shouldnt be any problem, but its not the offset its the caliper clearance.

Look here http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57089

Slide down and Watch the video here (http://www.arizonaperformance.com/parts_photos/Brakes_Front_MK3_6_piston/CIMG2444.AVI)

Kool i will try it this week.

[BigSupe]

Sorry if this has already been answered but how much are the discs and pads to replace? with delivery to the UK?

Also estimated life of pads and discs

[arz]

See this thread Dansmith11 might be able to offer more accurate advise based directly on his experiences to date. Pm him for a more though answer.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50351

If you are an existing customer I will try my best to beat anybody elses price on these rotors. Remember they are 1.375 thick, theres a ton of material, I have had customers tell me they have turned the rotors more than 6 times. There really is a ton of material there.

With regards to use I will PM you. In my experience street drivers that THINK they drive hard get overly concerned when I quote an estimated amount of track use, and most have NO real experience with race use. Once they attend one track session they quickly understand the the demands racing place on brakes, would kill the very best stock street brakes in less than half a session (5 to 10 laps).

Let me know what kind of duration and speeds you are expecting and I will recommend a proper pad. You might want a Street and Track set depending on your uses.

[Grimsta]

the demands racing place on brakes, would kill the very best stock street brakes in less than half a session (5 to 10 laps).


Yes, they do. 12 laps was the length of my stock brakes, lol. I need these

[zombie]

w00t just got the email saying my kit just shipped out :) \o/ :icon_bigg :biglaugh: :naughty:

[Grimsta]

/\/\ Day of the Tentacle. I havent played that FOREVER!

[Clueless]

I didn't read all 35 pages, but what's the minimum size rim needed to clear these bad boys?

[chevyeater]

I didn't read all 35 pages, but what's the minimum size rim needed to clear these bad boys?

How about this page? Post #341 has a link to the fitament thread that will definatively answer your question.

On a side note, I'm eagery awaiting a set of these from FedEx tomorrow! :naughty:

[QWIKSTRIKE]

How about this page? Post #341 has a link to the fitament thread that will definatively answer your question.

On a side note, I'm eagery awaiting a set of these from FedEx tomorrow! :naughty:

Eater you dawg....you got secrets from me do ya! I know what da hell you doing.

[QWIKSTRIKE]

How about this page? Post #341 has a link to the fitament thread that will definatively answer your question.

On a side note, I'm eagery awaiting a set of these from FedEx tomorrow! :naughty:

Eater you dawg....you got secrets from me do ya! I know what da hell you doing.

[Clueless]

I take it that it won't fit sawblades.... :-/

[buckshotglass]

No way. I tried.

[Clueless]

No way. I tried.

good reason to upgrade rims, huh? :naughty:

[chevyeater]

Eater you dawg....you got secrets from me do ya! I know what da hell you doing.

No, they are for Jojo's car.

arz- FedEx licks ball sweat. You should seriously consider switching to UPS or USPS for shipping.

[QWIKSTRIKE]

]No, they are for Jojo's car.[/B]
arz- FedEx licks ball sweat. You should seriously consider switching to UPS or USPS for shipping.


I knew that dude....lol

[arz]

They do way better for packages on this side of the Mississippi than UPS and USPS, I had no idea they sucked so bad on packages to Florida until recently. Our local UPS store charges way more than going straight to the UPS shipping site.

[chevyeater]

They do way better for packages on this side of the Mississippi than UPS and USPS, I had no idea they sucked so bad on packages to Florida until recently. Our local UPS store charges way more than going straight to the UPS shipping site.

It wasn't the pricing. I can't get the package from them. I'd gladly have paid more for a competent shipping carrier that has a reasonable and effective support system. I miss signature required deliveries all the time and have never had an issue picking something up from UPS or the post office on the same day the delivery attempt was made. These assclowns can't even set something up within two days after the delivery attempt. I just hope it is actually going to be held for me until I get back from the Texas meet now, I wasn't encouraged by the Pakistani support centers assurances.

[Blackfin]

Can anyone confirm the torque for the 12mm allen bolts used with this kit? This information should be added to the installation thread as well.

Thanks.

[Grimsta]

Confirmed! ;)

DAAAAAMN QUIKSTRIKE! I loooooooove your hood. I was gonna get one myself but then had to divert those funds to getting but shot bushings replaced :(. Ok thread hijacked for long enough. Back onto subject.
Gooooo Big Brakes!

[Blackfin]

Was that already there or did someone just make a voodoo edit? Thanks :hs:

[turbotony]

Hey Arz, I just installed the kit I got from you this year in Vegas and they look great! one quick question about rim fitment. I have old 17" OZ rims and they are big enough to go around, but the front of the caliper will hit the back of the 'face' of the rim before it will sit flush on the rotor. any Idea of a offset or face shape (ie face 1, face 2 for Volks) required to fit? Im hoping to put sportmax 502's which are 8.5" +35 offset, but I dont have one to test-fit and was trying to find out if they will work without this same problem. thanks

[arz]

Hey Arz, I just installed the kit I got from you this year in Vegas and they look great! one quick question about rim fitment. I have old 17" OZ rims and they are big enough to go around, but the front of the caliper will hit the back of the 'face' of the rim before it will sit flush on the rotor. any Idea of a offset or face shape (ie face 1, face 2 for Volks) required to fit? Im hoping to put sportmax 502's which are 8.5" +35 offset, but I dont have one to test-fit and was trying to find out if they will work without this same problem. thanksPaul,
Read this thread, this is the best I can do. Its not the offset its the caliper clearance and that is a hard thing to get a tire/wheel place to measure.

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57089

I know there are a few of my customers that have Volks but Im not sure which ones. Fire out a thread in General see if someone pipes up. Or you could blast thru the pages I think the dude posted photos in this thread earlier.

[turbotony]

thanks, yep the caliper clearance is the only thing I need to worry about I just didnt know how to measure it. I can check out the templates from the other thread, but I would need a wheel, and I'll just test fit them on the car if I can get one. thanks again for the quick response.

[zombie]

mine are still sitting in customs :(

been there for over 2 weeks now, damned slow bastards

[arz]

thanks, yep the caliper clearance is the only thing I need to worry about I just didnt know how to measure it. I can check out the templates from the other thread, but I would need a wheel, and I'll just test fit them on the car if I can get one. thanks again for the quick response.Make sure you put some masking tape on the caliper so you can see where it touches if it does, and to keep from scratching the calipers.


mine are still sitting in customs :(

been there for over 2 weeks now, damned slow bastardsDamn wish I could help you!!! :rant: Keep me posted.

[zombie]

Damn wish I could help you!!! :rant: Keep me posted.

finally got notice in the mail from customs, have had to fill out extra paperwork and they are going to be charging me extra tax etc because of declared package value was higher than AUD$1000 :(

[Shane001]

That sucks! How much extra?

[DeSloth]

finally got notice in the mail from customs, have had to fill out extra paperwork and they are going to be charging me extra tax etc because of declared package value was higher than AUD$1000 :(

Oh crap. :aigo:

You had to know this though... right?

The super-gay thing is that you get charged duty on the item (fair enough) BUT then you get charged the 10% GST on the cost of the Item + Duty + Shipping + Insurance. This adds up really fast! To clarify - for a $1000 AUD item that cost $150 in postage and insurance customs WILL charge you $170 in customs duty and GST.

BEWARE OF THIS AUSSIE GUYS! (And girls :))
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/ImportingGoodsByPostFAQ.pdf

[zombie]

Oh crap. :aigo:

You had to know this though... right?

The super-gay thing is that you get charged duty on the item (fair enough) BUT then you get charged the 10% GST on the cost of the Item + Duty + Shipping + Insurance. This adds up really fast! To clarify - for a $1000 AUD item that cost $150 in postage and insurance customs WILL charge you $170 in customs duty and GST.

BEWARE OF THIS AUSSIE GUYS! (And girls :))
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/ImportingGoodsByPostFAQ.pdf
don't forget the storage fee they'll charge for having it for almost 3 weeks (even though they didn't send the paperwork out in a timely manner (only got paperwork in mail today)

[Shane001]

Arz, the 13" 4 piston front kit & the 12" 4 piston rear kit, how well balanced are they together? Also what rotors come with the rear kit, HD series or GT series?
Thanks.

[arz]

don't forget the storage fee they'll charge for having it for almost 3 weeks (even though they didn't send the paperwork out in a timely manner (only got paperwork in mail today)Im very sorry, wish I could help you guys there.


Arz, the 13" 4 piston front kit & the 12" 4 piston rear kit, how well balanced are they together? Also what rotors come with the rear kit, HD series or GT series?
Thanks.The rear 12 inch kit is the actually the 12.2 HD (12.19" X 1.25) they are not slotted, I have several customers racing them and I they agree the balance is perfect with ABS and you can dial in whatever you need with the rears once you install the rear proportioning valve.

Read this thread and see if Dan can answer some of your questions about balance. They do work awesome, Im very confident your new limit will be TIRES.

[zombie]

got my kit today, all I can say is that the pictures do not do them justice at all :aigo::love: those rotors are god damn massive :icon_bigg

as far as customs goes, they charged me an extra AUD$208.31 to get them to clear through ;)

[Shane001]

Zombie, good to hear you finally got em :) Pity your in Perth though, would've liked to pop by for a look see... ;) Looking forward to your write up once u get em fitted and tested.

Arz, I don't have ABS, also the stock brake booster will be coming off soon with a twin cylinder balance bar setup going on, so shouldn't be any problems gettings a good front/rear balance happening :) anyway, did u get my email?

[Shane001]

Andy, another question for you, the bolts fastening the rotors to the hats, do they bolt straight into threaded alloy, or do you have inserts in the hats?

[arz]

Zombie, good to hear you finally got em :) Pity your in Perth though, would've liked to pop by for a look see... ;) Looking forward to your write up once u get em fitted and tested.

Arz, I don't have ABS, also the stock brake booster will be coming off soon with a twin cylinder balance bar setup going on, so shouldn't be any problems gettings a good front/rear balance happening :) anyway, did u get my email?No that should be fine, yes I got your email but im out of town until the 15th and I have very limited internet and cell service.


Andy, another question for you, the bolts fastening the rotors to the hats, do they bolt straight into threaded alloy, or do you have inserts in the hats?Yes they do thread directly into aluminum just as many of the Wilwood parts do, and have done for over 20 years. This design has worked for many years on the track and the street with no problems.

[Shane001]

No that should be fine, yes I got your email but im out of town until the 15th and I have very limited internet and cell service.

Yes they do thread directly into aluminum just as many of the Wilwood parts do, and have done for over 20 years. This design has worked for many years on the track and the street with no problems.

Sounds good, please reply as soon as you get back. I need to get these ordered asap :)

[arz]

Im back, fire me an email with your postal code and I will reply with a final quote.

If your thinking of getting anything else I make (small parts) I can easily throw the parts in the box with the brakes so you might save quite a bit on shipping if your looking for anything else.

[perpetualthought]

are these 1.25 inch rotors, i can't seem to find info on 1.38 inch rotors. But i did find something about the pistons in the calipers being 1.38

[arz]

are these 1.25 inch rotors, i can't seem to find info on 1.38 inch rotors. But i did find something about the pistons in the calipers being 1.38
No they are 1.38 thick, heres a link to them on their website.

http://www.wilwood.com/Products/002-Rotors/002-GT/index.asp

[chiguro]

I was wondering...would it be possible to use Brembo Calipers? If No...how hard would it be to make it work with Brembo Components...? For both the Front and Rear.

[arz]

Arz, the 13" 4 piston front kit & the 12" 4 piston rear kit, how well balanced are they together? Also what rotors come with the rear kit, HD series or GT series?
Thanks.



The rear 12 inch kit is the actually the 12.2 HD (12.19" X 1.25) they are not slotted, I have several customers racing them and they agree the balance is perfect with ABS and you can dial in whatever you need with the rears once you install the rear proportioning valve.

I have to correct this, I didnt notice until you had asked for clarification. I am mistaken I am NOT running the HD rotors, I have been running the rear lightweight rotors the 2894's and 95's but still no issues with any of my customers street or track.

Sorry for any confusion to anyone else.


I was wondering...would it be possible to use Brembo Calipers? If No...how hard would it be to make it work with Brembo Components...? For both the Front and Rear.You must not have read any of this thread. I will not sell parts and I do not sell Brembo Calipers. The whole reason these are more than $1500 less than a Brembo kit is that I do not offer pieces and parts and the options are very specific. I can not afford to stock tons of different options but I still offer ten times the options of my competition.

[Supradupra.com]

Where did all the really HELPFUL install photos go from this thread?!:nono:

Is there another installation thread some place?

*Edit* After more searching I answered my own question! Install Thread (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?35175-Wilwood-Front-Brake-Install-instructions-%28Tons-of-Pics%29&highlight=wilwood+installation)