Are These Stock?

[InvisibleMonkey]

i was trying to get the trim in the back of the sup out so i could take the tail lights out, but gave up and put it all back when i realized how much it was tucked under the back seat trim and was afraid of breaking it (i'll just have to unscrew the tail lights a little uncomfortably, but that's not the subject of the post)

anyway, i pulled the hatch cover thing (the vinyl thing that looks like a shade to cover the things in your hatch) off, then pulled the speaker covers off, and saw that these were in good condition for being an 86 and thought they might not be stock...also, if anyone knew what they were/if i should replace them (if they're the old stock ones)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a263/invisiblemonkey/My%201986%20MKIII%20Supra/ATT00008.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a263/invisiblemonkey/My%201986%20MKIII%20Supra/ATT00005.jpg

sorry about the horrible cameraphone quality....i was too lazy to run to my room to get the camera

[Big Wang Bandit]

Not stock

[s383mmber1]

If they sound good, there not stock.

[Dirgle]

look like old kenwoods

[Clip]

dunno if mine were stock, but when i replaced my fronts they looked like a woven cone of some type. i wanna say carbon fiber, but i know better.

[InvisibleMonkey]

is there a way to test them? (as in how good they are) whenever i turn the volume up to about where you would if you wanted to hear the music with the windows rolled down, quality goes downhill (i wish i could describe it better)

my mom is a sales manager for her company and deals with many other sales people from a bunch of different companies and can get me a good deal on speakers...so if i don't need to replace them, i won't (but i'll definately get subs)....i'm taking an educated guess on this, but i think the front speakers were changed too (the plastic screw covers were in the wrong holes on the driver's side and i had to change them...it could mean a number of things, i know)


OT- SM is so much better than SF


EDIT: excuse my noobishness, i have never really worked on a car before this one and won't get help until october, but i want to get as much done as i can on my own (dome lights, audio, lock cylinder) that i KNOW i can do on my own with a little help from forums

[Clip]

dont worry about being new, i was last year around this time. you definitely learn a lot from these forums, and it can't hurt to ask.

so welcome to SM. and here's another idea, why not check for a brand logo on the magnet of the speaker?

[InvisibleMonkey]

lol...thanks...i've been a member here for a while and have over 1,000 BS posts on SF, but it's more laid-back and less "OMG FaLmE T3H N00B!"

i will admit though, SF has better off topic

i assume the magnet is on the bottom of the speaker?



kind of random, but whenever there is any bass (idk what to call it), any lights that are on dim whenever there's a thump (or w/e) does this mean i need to get an amp or something?

[racingtoyota007]

my rear speaker covers say "kenwood" on it, i dont know if this came like that or not but i also have a Alpine 6cd player in the back i know that cant be stock lol.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

your lights dimming means you need a new alternator.

[racingtoyota007]

your lights dimming means you need a new alternator.
not nececarely you could just need a capasitor, my last sound sytem dimed my lights because i had like a 3000 watt amp and no capistor and it would drain like a motherfucker.

[Clip]

either a capacitor or an alternator. if your lights dim and youve already got a heavy sub setup, then you'll need a capacitor. ive got two 10" audiobahns with an 800w amp and my lights are fine. i only see a flicker on the voltmeter during a heavy hit. if you're just running stock dimension speakers, then yes, it's time for a new alternator.

[fiyota]

dunno if mine were stock, but when i replaced my fronts they looked like a woven cone of some type. i wanna say carbon fiber, but i know better.

Did it happen to look like this?

http://gallery.sanitylapse.com/v/supra/albums/supra13/normal_DSC_3497.jpg
(Image borrowed from Dylan's How-To)

They look similar to my new rear speakers (kinda..)

[InvisibleMonkey]

either a capacitor or an alternator. if your lights dim and youve already got a heavy sub setup, then you'll need a capacitor. ive got two 10" audiobahns with an 800w amp and my lights are fine. i only see a flicker on the voltmeter during a heavy hit. if you're just running stock dimension speakers, then yes, it's time for a new alternator.

i can't say it ISN'T the alternator, but this happens when the car is off (i haven't had the car running in a while, so idk what the condition of the alternator is....but i probably need a new one anyway)

[Clip]

ah. well itll almost always happen when the car is off. if i step on the brakes even while the car is running, i can see the headlights dim. never happens because of the music though.

foto, thats the exact one. what kind of cone material is that?

[fiyota]

Well the speakers I just bought have an all weather woven glass fiber cone... but I'm not sure about the toyota ones, although it does look similar, but in person my speakers have little whole's in the cone, through the weaves.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

No. No, no, no, no. A capacitor is no excuse for a poor electrical system in your car. It's just not. There are guys who run 5 and 10kw systems with no capacitors at all. Up grade your alternator. Replace the wiring from the alt. to the battery, and to the frame (the grounds). This should fix all of it.

Also--Of course your lights are going to dim with the car off. You're drawing more juice from the battery than it can produce all at once. The alternator is not cranking with the car off to recharge the battery.

Sorry to be so hostile...but people and these capacitors get on my nerves >_<

[Dirgle]

Sorry to be so hostile...but people and these capacitors get on my nerves >_<

Amen to that. I was wondering if anybody going to say something about it. Capacitors are overrated and nothing more than a band aid for a properly setup sound system.

[Syris]

instead of getting a cap just get a yellow/red top and you'll be fine

[Clip]

No. No, no, no, no. A capacitor is no excuse for a poor electrical system in your car. It's just not. There are guys who run 5 and 10kw systems with no capacitors at all. Up grade your alternator. Replace the wiring from the alt. to the battery, and to the frame (the grounds). This should fix all of it.

Also--Of course your lights are going to dim with the car off. You're drawing more juice from the battery than it can produce all at once. The alternator is not cranking with the car off to recharge the battery.

Sorry to be so hostile...but people and these capacitors get on my nerves >_<


a kid at my school with a 'dur'rango was like yeah, i think im gonna get two 12s but im gonna definitely need like 5 caps in the back to run em all!

i wanted to bitchslap the shit out of him, but held it back.

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

LMAO @ the kid at Clip's school. What a n00b.

Actually, optima batteries are deep cycle and for some reason everyone thinks they NEED one. Deep cycle batteries are meant to be ran down to empty, then charged up again. They were actually built for boats. People use deep cycle batteries as a secondary battery, usually located in the trunk. Using a deep cycle as your primary battery is not only foolish, but expensive. A deep cycle that doesn't get fully drained, then recharged (i.e. normal usage of draining it 1/100 of the way to run the car) will only last about 4-8 months.

[InvisibleMonkey]

so.....what do i do?

besides get an alternator?

[87supraholic]

i think they are stock cuz mine has those blue speakers in it and theyre stock...theyre kenwood...i was wondering the same thing...but my 87 is completly stock so im guessin they came with some kenwood speakers...

[fiyota]

highly doubt it came with kenwoods. I'm fairly sure most supras came with those kind of carbonfiber looking ones.

[Zach]

highly doubt it came with kenwoods. I'm fairly sure most supras came with those kind of carbonfiber looking ones.

They absolutely did not come with kenwoods. I seeeeeriously doubt they came with carbon fiber cones, as well. Every factory speaker I've seen has a treated paper cone and foam surround. Somebody prove me wrong if I'm mistaken.

[fiyota]

I was not implying that the material was actually carbon fibre, it's just kind of what it looked like. Most of them I have seen are a kind of weaved material that looks similar to carbon fibre. And usually they are the most deteriorated.

[Zach]

No problem :) From the photo they really do look like carbon fiber. All of the factory speakers I've seen are paper, manufacturers usually cheap out like crazy on speaker materials, that's why I don't think they'd use something like that woven cone that was posted.

[racingtoyota007]

I will take some pics of the rear covers. They definently say kenwoods they look stock also. There arent even kenwoods under the covers thats what saddens me lol.

[fiyota]

over what rear covers? I have never seen a kenwood emblem in any stock mk3 supra.

[racingtoyota007]

hold on i will take the pictures right now ill brb with them :P

[racingtoyota007]

:evil2:
Here you go enjoy

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m261/racingtoyota/100_1342.jpg

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m261/racingtoyota/100_1343.jpg

mabey its aftermarket sticker or something but it doesnt seem like it but i dont want to tug on it and find out the hard way lol.

[SupraJDS]

Im guessing your not the orginal owner sooo someone could have upgraded the speakers before and took them off before he sold you the car....or someone just put it there to be cool lol ah but idk.

My cars lights blink when I have the volume up too =[

[racingtoyota007]

There is kenwoods there, they jsut are old as hell and are blown. Im not the original owner, no. My spirit used to do that. I had the most powerful alternator posible for the car and a decent battery and my lights would flicker so i just bought a 50 dollar cap and it didnt do it anymore. I think if you have more than 1 cap your just a sound ricer lol.