7mgte power

[jugalo65978]

hi i'm new to this forum and i was hoping that you guys could give me some advice on my supra.
here's the skinny me and a buddy of mine are working on starting a tuning company. so we need a car that will win a lot of races and get oure name out there. we have also bean chalanged by a friend of ours and would like to one up him. he is working on a h22 powered civic that should exceed 500hp. so our gole is 7 some where in the ball park of 700 to 800 hp.
this is what we have to work with.
so i'm selling my 99.5 VW GTI VR6 in the hopes of getting about 7,000 to work in the supra with. what do i need to get to make it a 700hp machine.
thanks
ed

[DaSuprawolf]

AN MKIV

[figgie]

well no

the MKIII is more than capable. Just needs money ;)

[DaSuprawolf]

you could get there with a JZ alot easier and probley cheaper, except for the crazy engine swap.

[Darkcyde]

you could get there with a JZ alot easier and probley cheaper, except for the crazy engine swap.


:squint:

[againstdawall06]

big turbo, lots of fuel, open exhaust, and a way to fine tune it all.

[supramike7m]

not sure as im only goin for 400whp. i know who will know. ask Duane (upgraded supra) and Brian (slow66) they will definatly know
Mike

[SublimeSupra]

Youre going to need alot more than 7k i can tell you that.

[IHI-RHC7]

Uhm, 7K is plenty to get the power you want.
You're going to need perfect engine management.
Get an AEM. 2K later and you've got 5K to get your motor, fueling needs and boost needs up to par.
You'll need another 2K into the shortblock, and at least 1K in the head for a solid foundation upon which to build.
So, you've got 2-3K to get fuel and boost into the engine. The logical thing here is an SSauto mani and a bunch of large piping to make your own exhaust and intake piping.
500 should get you the mani and enough steel and al piping to do intake and exhaust.
200 gets you a huge front mount from ebay, and you'll need a big ass fuel pump or two walbros, a bunch of lines and big injectors.
If you hunt and peck for deals, you should still have at least 1K left over for your turbo. Ideally, you'd save up a few hundred more and go with a Garret Gt series, and be done.

If you want to open a tuning shop, you will need to know how to tune AEM. It's the same as any other stand alone, so without the knowledge to "tune" you really won't have a tuning shop. If you fail at tuning, the motor is done.
My suggestion is to first get the aem and get it dialed with the stock engine. Then do your fuel system and get it dialed again. Then Put your turbo and exhaust on. Get it dialed at low boost, pump gas safe. If you're into good looks and top end, talk to Ron R or Seth about a forward facing intake manifold. You'll lose AC, but it cleans up the engine bay a ton.
After getting the stock engine dialed with the engine management, you're readdy to turn up the boost slowly until the stock engine gets sick of being pounded on. Read "headgasket blows and bearings spin"
At this point, you swap in the new motor and tune it on low boost.
It should behave similar to the old stock engine, only it will requre slightly more fuel if you did headwork.
Then you slowly build boost while keeping the tune perfect.
If it is kept in tune, you should have no problems.

[Yblegal91t]

Uhm, 7K is plenty to get the power you want.
You're going to need perfect engine management.
Get an AEM. 2K later and you've got 5K to get your motor, fueling needs and boost needs up to par.
You'll need another 2K into the shortblock, and at least 1K in the head for a solid foundation upon which to build.
So, you've got 2-3K to get fuel and boost into the engine. The logical thing here is an SSauto mani and a bunch of large piping to make your own exhaust and intake piping.
500 should get you the mani and enough steel and al piping to do intake and exhaust.
200 gets you a huge front mount from ebay, and you'll need a big ass fuel pump or two walbros, a bunch of lines and big injectors.
If you hunt and peck for deals, you should still have at least 1K left over for your turbo. Ideally, you'd save up a few hundred more and go with a Garret Gt series, and be done.

If you want to open a tuning shop, you will need to know how to tune AEM. It's the same as any other stand alone, so without the knowledge to "tune" you really won't have a tuning shop. If you fail at tuning, the motor is done.
My suggestion is to first get the aem and get it dialed with the stock engine. Then do your fuel system and get it dialed again. Then Put your turbo and exhaust on. Get it dialed at low boost, pump gas safe. If you're into good looks and top end, talk to Ron R or Seth about a forward facing intake manifold. You'll lose AC, but it cleans up the engine bay a ton.
After getting the stock engine dialed with the engine management, you're readdy to turn up the boost slowly until the stock engine gets sick of being pounded on. Read "headgasket blows and bearings spin"
At this point, you swap in the new motor and tune it on low boost.
It should behave similar to the old stock engine, only it will requre slightly more fuel if you did headwork.
Then you slowly build boost while keeping the tune perfect.
If it is kept in tune, you should have no problems.

then you cant drive it becasue the tranny will go

[Boss302]

triple carbon clutch time :biglaugh:

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

a 500+fwhp Civic should run mid 10's @ 130+mph traps. that's gonna be one hell of a car to beat if he does pull off his HP goal.

R154 internals prolly won't hold up to the task. TH400 tranny swap would be the answer. Don't forget about brakes to stop the beast. Suspension and maybe mild custom chassis stiffning would be in order just to make sure you don't twist it. Have you already bought the MKIII? Or are you trying to include that with your $7000 budget? honestly, I don't see this 600-700rwhp project happening on that budget. I'd like to see you prove me/us wrong though. Good luck and have fun with it.

[jtamulis]

Get an MKII 8-). for $7k I'll hand you the keys of a mid 12 second car.
(not this one mind you...)

Jeff

[Doward]

Yeah, snag a MKII and swap an LS1 into it, puffing a bunch of nitrous.

Cheapest way I know of, to go damn fast, damn quick, and for damn little.

[kwnate]

To obtain your goal of 700-800hp, you'll need to sell 2 more jettas. Good luck.

[xarewhyayen]

Standalone. Big turbo. Excellent fuel delivery. Perfect tuning. Full engine build. You're better off with a 2jz swap if youre going straight for the 700 800 hp goal. You prob wont need that much to beat a 500hp h22. a 7m has a better torque curve and better grip since its rwd. Yeah, theres a weight difference but nothing that nessecitates an extra 200-300 hp imo. I say if you tune well, and do the supporting mods to raise boost a good bit, you could take said h22 without 700 hp. Numbers dont mean much... the powercurve tells more than the peak numbers. Not to mention gearing

[socc924]

Good points ryan.... plus is that 500fwhp or crank hp. makes a big difference.

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

How much rwhp does it take an MKIII to run mid 10's in the 1/4? I know it's been done before, but how much rwhp were they making?

[GotBoost?]

so we need a car that will win a lot of races and get oure name out there. we have also bean chalanged by a friend of ours and would like to one up him. he is working on a h22 powered civic that should exceed 500hp. so our gole is 7 some where in the ball park of 700 to 800 hp. what do i need to get to make it a 700hp machine. thanks ed
What kind of races? Street or track? IF you don't have to do it with a Supra, I say go for a 400-450awhp WRX. His "500 hp h22 powered civic" is going to have incredible traction (and reliability) problems. It's more fun to take someone down with less power, too.

[SublimeSupra]

Im with kwnate because IHI didnt include basic stuff like all the seals,hoses, and fluids all that stuff adds up.Ohh and 700 hp on the stock 15+ year old suspension good luck with that one.The car has to be mechanically sound in every aspect to be able to handle the 700hp.Personally i wouldnt run 200whp on a car that isnt mechanically sounds all the way around.

[Nick M]

Yeah, snag a MKII and swap an LS1 into it, puffing a bunch of nitrous.

Cheapest way I know of, to go damn fast, damn quick, and for damn little.
Or swap in a 7MGTE which fits with relative ease and hassle, and run 12's with out mods. And for a whole lot less than the LS1 would cost in the first place.

[Figit090]

Im with kwnate because IHI didnt include basic stuff like all the seals,hoses, and fluids all that stuff adds up.Ohh and 700 hp on the stock 15+ year old suspension good luck with that one.The car has to be mechanically sound in every aspect to be able to handle the 700hp.Personally i wouldnt run 200whp on a car that isnt mechanically sounds all the way around.

lol...so pretty much any supra with a minor mechanical issue? lol...jk


Or swap in a 7MGTE which fits with relative ease and hassle, and run 12's with out mods. And for a whole lot less than the LS1 would cost in the first place.
really? are they lighter or what?? i don't know crap about mk2->7mgte swaps other than it's possible

[IHI-RHC7]

hmm, a 2K shortblock better include seals and hoses...

[SublimeSupra]

Well IHI whenever i order a shortblock or longblock from nissan you have to swap almost every hose/seal sensor or get new ones.But im just putting in my opnions about the build he is attempting.

[Nick M]

really? are they lighter or what?? i don't know crap about mk2->7mgte swaps other than it's possible


By about 700 lbs. The car's chasis is smaller, and it does not employ short and long arm suspension, which is heavy. It has MacPherson Struts. And the cradles are not connected as well. Less bracing for the chasis. Not as loose a 79-04 (Fox body) Mustang though.

http://suprasonic.org/gtestory/

I think it is a very interesting project. I would rather have a Cressida though.

[aljordan]

ehhh.. piece of cake. Big turbo.. big boost.. big fuel. Call it a day.

[Jspec7m88]

Good points ryan.... plus is that 500fwhp or crank hp. makes a big difference.

FWHP = Front Wheel horsepower. :rolleyes:

[daledoe]

not sure as im only goin for 400whp. i know who will know. ask Duane (upgraded supra) and Brian (slow66) they will definatly know
Mike
I was thinking the samething!!!! :biglaugh:

[DyslexicSquirrel]

I was thinking the samething!!!! :biglaugh:

Yea... if anyone is going to know how to do it... it's these guys... personally, I think you're going to save your pennies and go for an engine swap if you want to make this kind of horsepower.

[upgradedsupra]

then you cant drive it becasue the tranny will go

Where do you get rediculous information such as this? I keep hearing things like tranny goes, or head gasket is shit etc.... Do it right and things don't break or at least as easy. I drive my car hard at the track (tranny build when I first put it in) and have run it mulitple times at the track. Not to mention 30 psi. You will have no issues with a head gasket if you have a good clean flat surface and then have it torqued down properly and then the list goes on....

Have a nice day :)

Now to a post. IHI pretty muched said everything that needs to be said.
The 7M is a great powerplant! No need to go with a JEEZwhiz engine. Just be sure to do things right the first time. Do a proper build and do the head gasket (obvious with ARP's) Transmission has been fine for me but I rebuilt mine to start with. Old transmissions I can not comment on. Then there is fuel, engine managment, exhaust, turbo combo, intake...and it could go on. If you want it to last you WILL want to do this right the first time. If you want power for a lil while just use stock motor with a head gasket and studs. Just do everything else that makes power LOL

You can call me and I can give you a lil list to write down if you like. (I hate typing as I do this most of the day for emails. Just call my toll free number.

Duane

[IJ.]

Where do you get rediculous information such as this? I keep hearing things like tranny goes, or head gasket is shit etc.... Do it right and things don't break or at least as easy. I drive my car hard at the track (tranny build when I first put it in) and have run it mulitple times at the track. Not to mention 30 psi. No issues with a head gasket if you have a good surface and then have it torqued down properly. and the list goes on....

Have a nice day :)

Duane
LOL but that takes $$$ something your average Mk3 owner doesn't seem to have a surplus of ;)

I have to laugh at all these "I'm building a 700+ Hp motor" like it's as easy as bolting on the biggest Turbo you can find and bingo you get 700!

[upgradedsupra]

LOL but that takes $$$ something your average Mk3 owner doesn't seem to have a surplus of ;)

I have to laugh at all these "I'm building a 700+ Hp motor" like it's as easy as bolting on the biggest Turbo you can find and bingo you get 700!

He has SOME money to play with right? Doing a build is pretty much a must. I think it could be done but it will take not only money but a ton of time. To make things right, time is not on your side.(if that even matters) Some people back out when they hear how long things can take. I waitied 4 months for my head work to be finished LOL

Duane

[Jspec7m88]

Couldn't have been said any better!

[IJ.]

Yep agreed!

Everyone want's it NOW! ;)

It's taking 2 months + to organise the Custom 9" axles and half shafts for my car!

[91T breezen']

LOL but that takes $$$ something your average Mk3 owner doesn't seem to have a surplus of ;)

I have to laugh at all these "I'm building a 700+ Hp motor" like it's as easy as bolting on the biggest Turbo you can find and bingo you get 700!

Ian is right on the $$$ with that quote! It seems like most MkIII owners don't want to spend the big money it requires to get the big HP #'s. Maybe most MkIII owners think that someone will think you are stupid, for investing that much time and bucks into the MkIII. I have a theory. It is the MkIII owners, that have watched too many:aigo: MkIV video's of insane dyno pulls,:crazy1: hard squatting drag launches, and ooddles of hot chicks fawning over $100,000+ MkIV's at auto shows,:bowdown: :yumyum: that have reservations at going all out with modding the MKIII. Several people (extremely dedicated people!) have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the MKIII has, and will, make huge reliable hp!:boink: If you've ridden in both cars, you already know which one is structually superior!:icon_bigg Then it's just about the :love: of the look of either one. The 2JZ-GTE might be easier to squeeze big #'s out of, but it is by no means any cheaper!!!:icon_razz

[socc924]

Jspec7m88
Quote:Originally Posted by socc924
Good points ryan.... plus is that 500fwhp or crank hp. makes a big difference.


FWHP = Front Wheel horsepower.

I'm confused by this, I know fwhp = front wheel horsepower. He just did not specify whether the civic was fwhp or bhp.

[Jspec7m88]

I'm confused by this, I know fwhp = front wheel horsepower. He just did not specify whether the civic was fwhp or bhp.

Ahh I'm sorry, man! I completely read that wrong. I thought that you were asking if the "500FWhp" was at the crank. heh, My bad.:icon_bigg

[jugalo65978]

What kind of races? Street or track? IF you don't have to do it with a Supra, I say go for a 400-450awhp WRX. His "500 hp h22 powered civic" is going to have incredible traction (and reliability) problems. It's more fun to take someone down with less power, too.


1/4 mile

[jugalo65978]

I'm confused by this, I know fwhp = front wheel horsepower. He just did not specify whether the civic was fwhp or bhp.

the civic should have at least 500 fwhp this is what he is doing
-sleved block
-8.5-1 forged pistions
-forged rods
-arp head studs
-t78 turbo at 35psi
-1000cc injectors
-aem stand alone ecu

[jugalo65978]

ok guys thanks for all the advice what size turbo do you all think i should use. i was thinking a t78 i was planning on using nitrus to spool it. i was thinking i would run 30 to 35psi but i am unsure on the size of injectors i should use i was thinking 750cc.

[fstsupra]

im the friend helping juglo build the car. a 1jz is a pointless project why waste 3k on a motor when we are just replacing everthing anyway??? tht would put us at 7 thousand and we would hve a 400hp car if we were lucky. i have to say im quit confident that we are going to have no problem building this car. we will get you guys the 1/4 times and some dynos here in a few months.

as for the civic thats my best friends car and as far as the concerns about it hooking up he has a full drag front end being installed and mikeytomson 32inch slicks. but again we are going to beat him we will get some videos of that for you all.

[IHI-RHC7]

Good luck.
It's all in the hips... er tune.

[Slow66]

as for the civic thats my best friends car and as far as the concerns about it hooking up he has a full drag front end being installed and mikeytomson 32inch slicks. but again we are going to beat him we will get some videos of that for you all.


Thats odd, there are probably hundreds of low 9/high 8 second Civics with no bigger than a 28" slick. Any real reason for running a ProFWD tire on a car with less that 1/3 the whp of a normal proFWD car??

No offense guys, but i think you guys got a 'pipe dream' goin on with this whole budget thing. Building a fast supra right isnt exactly cheap. Ask me how i know.

[supra90turbo]

How do you know Bryan? ;)

[IHI-RHC7]

Yeah Bryan! ;)

[Nick M]

Thats odd, there are probably hundreds of low 9/high 8 second Civics
Where?

The trailered 11 sec gutted and totally unstreetable Honda usually gathers a huge crowd of eminem dressed juveys. I have read of faster. Still waiting to see the common 12 second Honda.
(not counting CBR)

edit:

If Honda sold a few hundred thousand Civics, I suppose having a few hundred fast ones is plausible.

[Superjustin13]

Well..

My Concern would be if i were you guys is

Are u Able to Make the car safe and pass the standards for the 1/4 track I.E roll Cage shit like that.

if you only have 7K to build the ENTIRE Car.

Then IMO Hell no you Couldnt do.

Im Sure most of our members have more then 7k invested in our car and making half the numbers ur wanting (not the entire 7k is in the motor but the car restoring it etc). so if u have 7k CASH after the roll cage u make the Adjustments to be safe for the 1/4 bigger brakes. Slicks, drag ready then i still doubt it. a Good turbo Can cost you what? Around 1500ish?

then your headwork will cost u around? Hm, porting polishing oversized valves with ferrea retainers/springs around what? im guessing 2k with machine work

your budjets half way gone. and u still need expensive ass Internals. Injectors, Gaskets, Fuel pumps, I/C. piping, exhaust, spendy Tranny, Etc etc, No imo no no way u will be able to. Its a Cinderella Story my friends.

I think i got everything covered. someone correct me if i am Wrong.

[p5150]

my supra was created from a magical pumpkin

[supra90turbo]

And I grew mine from one of your pumpkin seeds!

[rot 90na-t]

can i have some seeds please?:naughty:

anyways, I would say that some of those numbers u were giving for parts cost would include shop time, now i would think that if they are a performance shop they could perform most of the necessary labor needed.. i.e. assembly, port n polish, tuning, not to mention get dealer prices on parts... even still i think that the alotted budget is still probably a bit slim for their expectations... but hey just my $.02

[Boostin88T]

You could always copy my setup and go for broke.

[Slow66]

Where?

The trailered 11 sec gutted and totally unstreetable Honda usually gathers a huge crowd of eminem dressed juveys. I have read of faster. Still waiting to see the common 12 second Honda.
(not counting CBR)

edit:

If Honda sold a few hundred thousand Civics, I suppose having a few hundred fast ones is plausible.


Mybe not liteally hundreds btu the nopi and nhrasc series have tons of full race (and fast!) honduhs. Basically my point was to say that the tire "his boy" was puttign on his 500whp honda is a ProFWD tire and makes zero sense to me. I hoep these guys have more sense with the supra than the kid with the honda......

[fstsupra]

As far as ripping on honda thats just retarded and juvienile in itself. Thats like calling supra a ricer cause its a import same ignorance.
Dont judge the make judge the owner if they are a ricer lable them as such. i have myself own and owned multiple hondas loved all of them. My current honda! is my 91 integra with a 75 shot of nitrous intake headers exhaust b20z all including the cost of the car. now im not familuar with any other car with motor swap good gas milage reliable that runs 13.8s for 2200 dollars thats what makes hondas nice. As far as hondas compared to supras yes i love my supra more then my integra but its no reason to degrate the integra its just my opion i dont judge people that love their good old z28 as long as their not claiming 400whp with a set of headers.

anyway back to the point 700hp is not a impossible number as for the 7mgte

head works going to be 900 dollars springs retainers valves portpolish valve job. Pistons rods about 1000 dollars for the combo balance blueprinted. so we are at 1900 dollars. injectors, msd dual channel ignition ,aem ems ,with boost map sensor, rc 750cc injectors, duel walbro 250lph fuel pumps, all for 2200. again xs power manifold ported out cause they do a shitty job big old fat garret t72 turbo 1200 for those 2. so thus far we are at 5200 that leave 1800 dollars for all the other bull shit a good portion probly going to go into a set of new sleaves. as for you cant build a 700 hp motor for 7k if you take everthing to a shop no if your dumb with your money again no its all about being smart looking for deals and keeping a good eye out. sorry for long post and all the typoes im at work typing in between clients. also alot of those prices i can better i really havnt tried that was just off of about 30 minutes of searching.

[IJ.]

Hands up who has a documented 700+ rwhp 7M?

[Superjustin13]

As far as ripping on honda thats just retarded and juvienile in itself. Thats like calling supra a ricer cause its a import same ignorance.
Dont judge the make judge the owner if they are a ricer lable them as such. i have myself own and owned multiple hondas loved all of them. My current honda! is my 91 integra with a 75 shot of nitrous intake headers exhaust b20z all including the cost of the car. now im not familuar with any other car with motor swap good gas milage reliable that runs 13.8s for 2200 dollars thats what makes hondas nice. As far as hondas compared to supras yes i love my supra more then my integra but its no reason to degrate the integra its just my opion i dont judge people that love their good old z28 as long as their not claiming 400whp with a set of headers.

anyway back to the point 700hp is not a impossible number as for the 7mgte

head works going to be 900 dollars springs retainers valves portpolish valve job. Pistons rods about 1000 dollars for the combo balance blueprinted. so we are at 1900 dollars. injectors, msd dual channel ignition ,aem ems ,with boost map sensor, rc 750cc injectors, duel walbro 250lph fuel pumps, all for 2200. again xs power manifold ported out cause they do a shitty job big old fat garret t72 turbo 1200 for those 2. so thus far we are at 5200 that leave 1800 dollars for all the other bull shit a good portion probly going to go into a set of new sleaves. as for you cant build a 700 hp motor for 7k if you take everthing to a shop no if your dumb with your money again no its all about being smart looking for deals and keeping a good eye out. sorry for long post and all the typoes im at work typing in between clients. also alot of those prices i can better i really havnt tried that was just off of about 30 minutes of searching.

how long have you owned a supra?

haha.

Cuz the oversized valves and spring retainers are more then 900.... And no machine shop will Pay u for them doing work ... just a normal Valve job(stock) and shaving at my machinest is 250. and He does damn good work.. So. Hes porting, polishing and putting oversized valves in for free and Paying the rest of the cost for the valves/springs.? then shims are going to cost u a pretty penny. and there a pain in the ass doing ...

so Like My First comment. around 1500-2k to get the head done. someone PLEASE correct me if i am wrong .

THEN a HG is 150+

Sooo. JUST the HG and valve/retainers are 1124 Already... so. Inform me?


Edit: Supras are alot more spendy then a honda, So if u do it for 7k, PLEASE come to mtn home and shuve it in my face.

[Slow66]

As far as ripping on honda thats just retarded and juvienile in itself. Thats like calling supra a ricer cause its a import same ignorance.
Dont judge the make judge the owner if they are a ricer lable them as such. i have myself own and owned multiple hondas loved all of them. My current honda! is my 91 integra with a 75 shot of nitrous intake headers exhaust b20z all including the cost of the car. now im not familuar with any other car with motor swap good gas milage reliable that runs 13.8s for 2200 dollars thats what makes hondas nice. As far as hondas compared to supras yes i love my supra more then my integra but its no reason to degrate the integra its just my opion i dont judge people that love their good old z28 as long as their not claiming 400whp with a set of headers.

anyway back to the point 700hp is not a impossible number as for the 7mgte

head works going to be 900 dollars springs retainers valves portpolish valve job. Pistons rods about 1000 dollars for the combo balance blueprinted. so we are at 1900 dollars. injectors, msd dual channel ignition ,aem ems ,with boost map sensor, rc 750cc injectors, duel walbro 250lph fuel pumps, all for 2200. again xs power manifold ported out cause they do a shitty job big old fat garret t72 turbo 1200 for those 2. so thus far we are at 5200 that leave 1800 dollars for all the other bull shit a good portion probly going to go into a set of new sleaves. as for you cant build a 700 hp motor for 7k if you take everthing to a shop no if your dumb with your money again no its all about being smart looking for deals and keeping a good eye out. sorry for long post and all the typoes im at work typing in between clients. also alot of those prices i can better i really havnt tried that was just off of about 30 minutes of searching.

#1- i hope youre not referign to me on the honda comment, as i was praising them and was only questionign this kids tire selection, which with its oulandishness make me question the whole setup....

and #2- youre on crack with that pricing unless youre including stock stuff with it. Ferrea springs/locators/retainers/+1 valves is wayyy over 900, and any porter worth his weight will charge at least $50 per PORT for a decent portjob/flowbench. Tats 1200 alone and we havent even gotten to the valvejob, seats, guides, seals, shims etc. And lets not even get into cams since its been proven that the stock ones just die at anything over 650whp no matter what turbo or psi, unless there is some juice involved.

Youre not gonna touch an AEM(dont forget the laptop to use it) with map sensor, IAT sensor,750s, dual walbros for 2200 unless its all used. Dont forget the afpr and the AN lines in that deal too...Oh yeah, how abotu the boost controller, wastegate, IC, piping, and BOV. A fabbed DP and hardpipes would probably be a good idea. And a clutch might help thigs along too....700whp you say? Plan on spending $700 jsut for a clutch that can handle it. Rotors, pads, brakelines, all might be a good idea to get that boat hauled down from a mighty 700+whp rip. Get the drift?

Granted, you can find deals on used parts etc. but if youre on a time schedule (as you guys say you are) new parts are almost a must. There is no way in hell you guys will build a mkiii that has 700+whp for $7000. /story. No offense, its just not gonna happen, or everyone woulda done it already.

[Stretch]

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[Suprapowaz!(2)]

The challenge has been set. Will they get her done with their budget, or part out their car after they've gone through their money? Stay tuned for the next couple of months for this exciting episode of.... "THE 700RWHP MKIII ON A KOOL-AID BUDGET!!"

[fstsupra]

you know i typed up a whole long list of shit in my own defence but here is what im going to do apparently the people that have posted in this thread believe what they want to believe arnt intrested in posting anything thats helpfull excluding a few. why dont we do this ill start posting up auctual cost of the build as they happen mind you we have to get that golf sold first. then after we get this project off the ground ill come back on here and show you all how its done and you can bee amazed i didnt spend 20k on a car that was build for me by my local speed shop that raped me on part prices at every corner. Now as far as i saw this thread had nothing to do with flaming so if it could please get back to the point if you have somthing that is relavent to the questions at hand lets hear it or mabey some advise to get the project going. For people that love there cars sure isnt alot of confidence in thier abilty im on about 20 other supra forums and there are alot of people out there with 1000 pluss horspower cars in 7mgte 1jz 2jz. in my opion 700bhp is a not a big deal thats 223hp per liter.
there is a 95 ls integra that races out at the track i watched dyno out at 550fwhp about 660bph is what they figured thats a 1.8 liter non vtec b18a thats 305fwhp or 366bhp per liter. Now by a big deal i dont mean its not going to take alot of work im just saying its not a unreasonable number

[Superjustin13]

you know i typed up a whole long list of shit in my own defence but here is what im going to do apparently the people that have posted in this thread believe what they want to believe arnt intrested in posting anything thats helpfull excluding a few. why dont we do this ill start posting up auctual cost of the build as they happen mind you we have to get that golf sold first. then after we get this project off the ground ill come back on here and show you all how its done and you can bee amazed i didnt spend 20k on a car that was build for me by my local speed shop that raped me on part prices at every corner. Now as far as i saw this threat had nothing to do with flaming so if it could please get back to the point if you have somthing that is relavent to the questions at hand lets hear it or mabey some advise to get the project going. For people that love there cars sure isnt alot of confidence in thier abilty im on about 20 other supra forums and there are alot of people out there with 1000 pluss horspower cars in 7mgte 1jz 2jz.


lol.

your lookin for over 1K for JUST the HG, valves and springs, THEN Arp headstuds so your honestly looking at abotu 1,200+ in just parts from EBAY which will be the cheapest play u will be able to buy them for. 1,200+ in just for parts for the head, THEN youll get owned in labor. so your over 2k already JUST on the head. Dont make me get in the block. electronics, Etc.

if you get this build done for 7k or less making 700rwhp+ and safely

i will literally Drive to wherever in idaho u live and Let you kick me in the balls.


Thats how confindent i am that u will not reach your goal.

im possible Done posting in this thread cuz u cant get it across your head that 7k is chump change to built a safe 700rwhp supra

[fstsupra]

The challenge has been set. Will they get her done with their budget, or part out their car after they've gone through their money? Stay tuned for the next couple of months for this exciting episode of.... "THE 700RWHP MKIII ON A KOOL-AID BUDGET!!"

indeed stay tuned be amazed just dont flame cause you are to intimadated to try it. and hey if it dosnt work you guys can always look forward to cheap parts. that whole laptop talk brings back awefull memories of f&f no more of it i have a lap top to tune with aem software is pretty simple not like you need a super computer

[IJ.]

Settle down guys!

Justin: Relax it's just NOT worth getting pissed about.

FstSupra: Once you've actually built and dynoed a 700 rwhp 7M then people will pay attention to what you're saying.

Sorry it's far too easy to bench race and spec cars online but until it's reality it's just that make believe.

I've just deleted a few of the posts it's ok to disagree but keep it Civil the next step is this post getting locked.

[fstsupra]

sorry bout that justin got you mixed up with someone else and i agree its all about proof thats why this will be my last post :P till we get it started anyway

[IJ.]

By all means start a build thread and update it as you go along so we can follow your progress but try not to argue until you have some experience building a 7M they're a finiky bitch at best ;)!

[Slow66]

indeed stay tuned be amazed just dont flame cause you are to intimadated to try it. and hey if it dosnt work you guys can always look forward to cheap parts. that whole laptop talk brings back awefull memories of f&f no more of it i have a lap top to tune with aem software is pretty simple not like you need a super computer


All im gonna say now is you're in for a rude awakening. 700whp for $7000, you'll either be overbudget, underpowered, or broken before you know it.

Good luck though, i guess.....

[SupraOfDoom]

you could get there with a JZ alot easier and probley cheaper, except for the crazy engine swap.

AN MKIV

:ban:

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

indeed stay tuned be amazed just dont flame cause you are to intimadated to try it. and hey if it dosnt work you guys can always look forward to cheap parts. that whole laptop talk brings back awefull memories of f&f no more of it i have a lap top to tune with aem software is pretty simple not like you need a super computer


First off, I'm not intimidated to try a build like that. I'm just don't have the money to do so. My intentions were not to flame you guys for trying as mentioned in my first post, "honestly, I don't see this 600-700rwhp project happening on that budget. I'd like to see you prove me/us wrong though. Good luck and have fun with it." I'd really like to see you guys pull it off, but I'm just really sceptical with that budget.

EDIT: For whatever reason if you guys decide to throw in the towel I'd like to buy your fuel stuff. Injectors, AFPR, fuel lines, and both walbros. Again, this is not a flame. I just want some parts if you decide to sell them. Good luck.

[p5150]

hey im from Idaho Falls - where are you guys at?

I dont think you need oversized valves to make a 700 HP 7M. If you do the portwork yourself, you could have a head ready for 200 bucks. A mild port will work wonders. I think that the ferrea valvetrain is a waste of cash. I think you guys are putting too much emphasis on the head.

If you do most of the work yourself and do a lot of business with a quality machine shop so that they give you good rates, I think you could do it.

I would upgrade the con rods and pistons. 1200 + 400 labor

Get a set of performance regrind cams. 300 bucks

buy an ebay manifold, standalone and gt42 - 3000 bucks

Custom build a DP w4" exhaust and custom intercooler piping - 300 bucks http://www.globaltecheng.com/

MHG 200 bucks

Build a FFI - I did it for about 150 bucks.

I think you could do it if you have some fab skills and know what not to blow your load on.

[jugalo65978]

we just got oure first part last night a nitrous system. i traded my clarieon for it, the clerion came with the VW and i switched it with a $40 JVC so the nitrous cost $40. that leves us with $6,960.00 not to shabbie for $40. any way the nitrus has a 75 shot in it and is purley to spool the turbo.

[sigmanin]

wow just read this thread and i wish u guyz luck
for everyone else remember they are opening a tuning shop
I "hope" and would think they should be able to do alot of the labor involved with the build... plus they "should" be able to get parts at dealer price instead of retail..

i have 0 exp in working on supras (exept basic stuff) but i have built a few hondas and getting any car into the (reliable)10's for 7k is not easy
a lil easier for some cars than others but not a walk in the park
because remember u still need all the safety stuff to be even let race and all the dyno time needed to tune the car

hope you guys finish this build and shove it all our faces......(then i know what i need to do to get my car done..lol)

[EdgeSupra]

All im gonna say now is you're in for a rude awakening. 700whp for $7000, you'll either be overbudget, underpowered, or broken before you know it.

Good luck though, i guess.....
I agree.:nono:

[supraman7mgte]

one thing you'll have to take into consideration is that the supra is HEAVY! alot of weight loss is necessary to go fast. if the car is going to be track only,gut the beast!

[s383mmber1]

Good luck!

I would like to see 500 reliable horses with that.

[Doward]

Yeah, this should be interesting... :D

[guards_man79]

check 7mpower.com if ya wanna stick with the stock motor. there's bad cars on there with a full list of upgrades. some of it is old information though.

[figgie]

<-- looks @ motor and turbo that I have,

$7000 to hit 700 rwhp???

<--- take popcorn out and watches closely.

[IJ.]

<-- looks @ motor and turbo that I have,

$7000 to hit 700 rwhp???

<--- take popcorn out and watches closely.
<Edges closer to the popcorn bucket>

[Superjustin13]

^

Slowly Pulls out his wang....






..


Goddamn guys lol thats one of the gayest things i'v read so far IJ. im impressed

[IJ.]

You keep that thing away from the Popcorn Justin!! ;)

[figgie]

hey hey

this popcorn is without wang, you want wang popcorn you make your own popcorn!!

[IJ.]

Yep no "Nutter Butter" thanks!

[miggles]

:runaway: :arcadefre :greddy: :eek3: :momaru: :gaybar: <!--- for the popcorn lovers hehe

I hope it can be done for your price. Just dont let it blowup in your face as it may be bad for business.
Since you are making it for your business can you get parts cheaper and write it off against your taxbill?

[DyslexicSquirrel]

Hands up who has a documented 700+ rwhp 7M?

that's exactly what I was just thinking

[Superjustin13]

hey hey

this popcorn is without wang, you want wang popcorn you make your own popcorn!!


well considering i made that "butter" in the popcorn your eating, your stomach acids are going to eat my man juice before it hits ur tummy, dont worry :1zhelp: im weird

[Nick M]

What is this SF?

[figgie]

well considering i made that "butter" in the popcorn your eating, your stomach acids are going to eat my man juice before it hits ur tummy, dont worry :1zhelp: im weird

yeah ok Peter North! :p

[1TuffSupra]

You guys are forgetting about nitrous! If he were to build the bottom end of the motor, p&p the head, ebay manifold, a decent turbo and get a standalone. Thats about 6000 right there, with the rest spent on a big 'ol nasty shot of nitrous (direct port) he could probably reach 700 whp. Now reaching that kind of power level reliably and on turbo power alone he can kiss his 7k budget goodbye. Its pretty freaking impossible, Ive already spent more than 2Gs trying to get my car on the rd. Hell it would have been more if I hadnt wheeled and dealed my way around the board getting parts at a steal. But finding deals like mine take time, which appears to be something you dont have. And is this 7Gs including the purchase price of the car? If so you can definitely forget about it. To be honest with you, you would probably be much better off getting a lower level platform like a mustang or 240.

[p5150]

this thread is gay

[figgie]

this thread is gay

:werd: :greddy: