please explain

[supramacist]

Some one please explain..., what exactlly is an na/t. Obviously it's a 7mge converted to a turbo wich is cool, but I Know nothing about it and would like to know lots if any one could see their way to telling me what's up. I wouls appreciate it greatly. Thanks for your times everyone.:icon_evil

[tubbie]

Do a search for NA-t You'll get thousands of hits...

In a nutshell... NA-T is get all the turbo stuff off the turbo supra, put it on the NA and it becomes NA-T.

[Fuzz420]

Search = Your Friend :)

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10922&highlight=na-t

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8757&highlight=na-t

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8593&highlight=na-t

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11197&highlight=na-t

[supramacist]

I figured that but how does it go on???/ And why not jus swap to a 7mgte???
I like the idea it's just......., I womder about it or I am leary about it. teach me more please. It looks like a piece that you bolt on top somehow and run the hoses. I doesn't look like a real turbo.

[supramacist]

I don't want to run a turbo. I want an ultraclean 7mge.

[dcrusupra]

You wont be able to run a lot of boost. The pistons have too high of a compression. Maybe 10 psi at most.

[SupraDerk]

Due to the higher compression you run more mid range power than a gte though, and if you don't want high compression you can always get low compression pistons.

[1TuffSupra]

You wont be able to run a lot of boost. The pistons have too high of a compression. Maybe 10 psi at most.

nuff said

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2609&page=4&pp=10

[supramacist]

I get what your saying. You are going na/t because you don't want to do the engine swap and you'll feel better about pissing the money away instead of swapping for more horsepower. It seems to me like a big way to cut corners. But it definitley seems easy enough and if you don't want to swap......., this may be the way to go. I think I should do some research.

[bluemax]

The full NA>T is not just an engine swap. Just about everything is different in a GTE. The ignition is different, the ECU is different, the injectors are bigger........

The NA>1/2T is OK for low boost. Some guys may not want a turbo monster and do a complete under hood swap out, just a little more power to play with.

It kinda depends on what you want. The NA>1/2T is what someone would do on a NA car that doesn't have a turbo option from the factory.

[supramacist]

I don't want to seem rude bluemax. But for 10 psi max when you know you can push 16 if you take care to do it properly. I'm not trying to dis anyone.
Now for the real question......., the fan shraoud. Do I need this? can I take it out? or is it a must in the permanent department????? do I lose or gain from removing this piece??? Any comments would be extremely welcome.
I'm tired of being my supras bitch. I bought it to work for me. ha ha ha ha ha

[SupraDerk]

There is a such thing as having too much power for what you're trying to accomplish. If you want to use the MKIII for drifting, you only need between 250-300hp, so why build up an engine that puts out 1000hp? That's overkill. If you're using the MKIII for autox, the fastest you'll probably get up to is like 55mph so again, why have an engine that puts out 1000hp when you only need about 250-300? Comparing an NA-T engine to the stock GTE you get more power out of the NA-T in the low and mid range due to the high compression, ideal for drifting and autox. So like bluemax said, it all depends on what the driver wants and is trying to do.

[89Joe]

Well, the fan shroud helps focus the air towards the engine. I guess it really dosnt matter, but I think it actually might increase the amount of noise from the fan if you take it off. This is just a speculation but I guess it wouldnt matter to much if you did.

[Joel W.]

Fan shroud is designed to pull more air through the radiator and not really to focus air at the motor.. :)

Plus, They save fingers..

[supramacist]

ok....., this is good. I know the shroud saves fingers. but the last owner broke it . It's rigged with wire to stay. I need a more in depth description of what to expect if I remove his thing......, it's hanging on by one bolt and some wire. Do I lose hp if I remove it? Or would I be better off tho remove it and fix it and put it back on??? I personally like it off. I wonder if it doesn't restrict air flow instead of letting shit breath.?????? I'll check back later. I have to go out to dinner with my significant other. Please help me make up my mind on what to do with this so I can get started tomorrow. I also need to know what else I can remove to make more room in the engine bay to work. I appreciate allof the time you guys tske to answer my questions. Thank You very much.

[Joel W.]

I would take it off before it falls off and breaks something else. Then watch your gauges until you find another shroud or you could replace it and the fan clutch with an electric fan/shroud combo. :dunno:

[supramacist]

It seems like a waiste to me. A little bit more umph. Or a bit of work and a race ready car. you tell me.

[supramacist]

If I am going to take it off......., I am not going to put it back on.

[supramacist]

If you wanted a turbo you should have bought one in the first place.

[s383mmber1]

Theres an edit button to go back and edit your posts so you dont have like 5 million. And could you please clarify who exactly your talking to.

Liek when you said that last comment about turbo, who exactly were you talkign to?

[Joel W.]

If I am going to take it off......., I am not going to put it back on.

:icon_bigg

[supramacist]

you guys are killing me here. I can take the shroud off and fix it and put it back on. MY engine seems to already have three fans. It has the large primary and what looks to be two secondaries. I just want to remove the shroud not the impression of christ left upon it. I also want to lose the dohc cover. Is this a good or bad thing. Again any comments are greatly appreciated.

[s383mmber1]

Why though, WHY?

Toyota put that stuff there for a reason, so why take it off?

And the vlalve covers would not be a good idea to take off, and i wouldn't suggest the fan shroud either, once again the car is put that way for a simple reason.

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[Fuzz420]

If you wanted a turbo you should have bought one in the first place.


I for one knew absolutly nuthing about supras before i bought one. I didnt know they had a turbo option untill i went online to find some info about the car.I had my chance to drop a gte in last year but by time i replaced everything that needed to be fixed along with dropin in a jdm ge i had spent $1400 plus labor so being able to squeeze the supporting stuff for the turbo motor was simply out of the question. So i set my targets on doing an na-t motor since my ge is good working condition.Since my goal is the "1/2" na- utilizing my wiring harness, distruber, and full electronics, i only need filler parts like; turbo, mani, intercooler,piping,bov, oil/coolant lines, downpipe and turbo elbow. Since christmas i have purchased a ct-26, mani, intercooler, and bypass valve.(all for under $200 i might add). So that only leaves me with a few parts to get.All in all i think when i finish collecting all the parts, i would have spent 8-$1000 on stock and upgraded parts.

Im tryin to give u some idea why somebody would go na-t as opposed to a full gte swap, and also my horsepower goals are very realistic,300whp so theres no need in a gte in my opinion for my goal

[supramacist]

Everyone here knows toyota did shit to these cars for no other reason than to baffle future owners. I took the dohc cover off and the fan shroud. the fan shroud was in nearly four different pieces attached. So I don't regret taking it off and the car sounds even more quiet during idle. As for...., how does it drive this way? I don't know yet. I have to find out what is leaking on my clutch to make it spin. If after that...., I don't like it without the shroud, I'll super glue it back together and put it back on. As always, any comments are welcome and appreciated, mike oh and I feel ya fuzz

[Joel W.]

Everyone here knows toyota did shit to these cars for no other reason than to baffle future owners.
Every one does not know this. This is your opinion.

The reason it is quieter is because it is no longer pulling as much air through the radiator. Don't waste your time trying to glue it back together with super glue.

[s383mmber1]

Every one does not know this. This is your opinion.

The reason it is quieter is because it is no longer pulling as much air through the radiator. Don't waste your time trying to glue it back together with super glue.

Joel you crack me up!

May i see some pictures of the "new light weight" supra? :naughty:

aka without the fan-shroud or valve-covers?

[Joel W.]

:biglaugh:

[s383mmber1]

:biglaugh:

I think i might remove mine as well, and since I dont drive, ill take the wheels off to! And im thinking about the doors!

Itll be real light weight!

[Joel W.]

I think he is refering to the timing belt/cam gear cover. At least I hope to hell he is..

I would remove mine also except I live on a gravel road and one bad tribal bounce with a rock under the hood will kill a timing belt.. Also it's a safty issue for me as I like my fingers..:)

[dcrusupra]

Yea, taking the valve covers off would be a very, very bad thing. What is the point of taking all of this shit off again?

[supramacist]

I am talking about the timing belt cover and the fan shroud. You would be surprised at how much quieter the car runs without the fan shroud. The shroud was broken in 4 places. I'm surprised it was on at all. I am not so ignorant as to take the actual valve covers off. And the entire point is to clean out the engine bay of misc. things that don't do shit.

[s383mmber1]

But thats just it.

They DO have a point.

jeez.

[89Joe]

Supramacist, everything in that engine bay has a purpose. What matters is finding out what is and isnt nessasary, and what will and will not effect your engine. Use the search

[supramacist]

The shroud was getting into the fan. I am going to put the timing belt cam cover back on. as much as I like it off. It's very important. I'll tell you guys what I'm thinking. The passenger side fog lamp...., If removed can have a tube ran straight into your air intake this would create a ram air effect. yes/no? Remonve the charcoal filter. Run the hose and you can still use the stock k/n for 50$. But you lose that light. And you have to do it on the driver side as well. You just make it another cold air shot into the engine bay.
They have all of this shit blocked off?????????????????????? Maybe it's beter short as is? Hard to say.