soldering iron

[Bri7man]

I bought a orange soldering iron from Harbor Frieght a while ago and it's never been able to get the wires I'm soldering hot enough to melt the solder on it.

I've been "bubble" soldering with it since I got it by melting the bead on the iron then rubbing it on but it's really been a hassle and doesn't work very well. I've seen vids on youtube of people soldering and being able to get the wire hot enough to run the solder on it and it evenly disperses on the wires.

What are good soldering irons that aren't too expensive?

[jetjock]

1) It's from Harbor Fright.

2) What wattage is it?

3) What you're calling "bubble soldering" is bad technique.

4) Did I mention it's from Harbor Fright?

5) For auto use one of the Master Appliance models. Specifically the 40si or 100si. Lots of power, adjustable, no electricity needed. I wouldn't exactly call them inexpensive but good tools are an investment...

[RiyadYar]

the trick to a good solder joint is flux once you start playing with that it will run along the wire lovely because it will attract the solder to the metal .

[mecevans]

use thinner wire and flux. i dont like the pencil irons i like using the guns.

[lewis15498]

I use a radio shack gun. Heats up fast and is really hot. Paid like 40 bucks for it.
Use flux and stop bubble soldering...

[figgie]

I have a temp controllered soldering station, might be pricer but the temp control is invaluable! No need for flux when set at the right temprature.... 24volt tip.

[adampecush]

I have a temp controllered soldering station, might be pricer but the temp control is invaluable! No need for flux when set at the right temprature.... 24volt tip.

agreed. the hotter you can get the tip, the less time you have to have the soldering iron in contact with the wire, minimizing the melting/stiffening of the wire covering.

the difference between a temp controlled soldering station and a cheap iron is night and day.

[lewis15498]

I have a temp controllered soldering station, might be pricer but the temp control is invaluable! No need for flux when set at the right temprature.... 24volt tip.

unless your working with an old ass supra harness with dirty/corroded wires...

[CajunKenny]

Here's what I use. It's a Hako 936. It's the Non-ESD version. I picked it up from Fry's for ~70 bucks.

Excuse my bench. This is my personal bench at home so I don't have to keep this one clean... ;)



http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/CajunKenny_photos/Bench.jpg

[Txsupra]

Ill take one of those and the O scope in the back.

:icon_razz Nice

[Poodles]

If the wires are corroded, cut back to clean wire. Corrosion causes resistance which causes heat, which leads to thermal runaway.

Flux isn't needed (most solder has it in it).

Soldering guns tend to get too hot for small wires and they'll melt the insulation very quickly.

[Bri7man]

What I mean by bubble soldering is since I can't get the wire hot enough to have the solder melt directly to it I melt the solder on the iron till its a bubble and drag it across the wire. Really hard to do in tight places and insecure in the longrun.

I strip all my wires before soldering too so I'm pretty sure it's the iron.

So do you just paint the flux on the wire and it helps somehow?

A video I saw on youtube this guy didn't even use flux and the solder just melted right on the wire like butter.

Why I bring this up is because I was soldering a vsv connecter under the IM earlier and that is not fun one bit with no room and on top of that my soldering iron being a piece so it's time to get a better one for sure. I actually had to hoist my engine up a foot or two to do it. I dropped my motor in today and thank god I hadn't tightened my motor mounts just yet.

[CajunKenny]

Have you cleaned the tip of the iron? Wet a sponge and then ring it out. After the soldering iron is nice and hot, drag the tip of the iron across the sponge. This should leave you with a clean tip.

If the tip is too bad, lightly (I stress LIGHTLY) scrape it clean with an exacto knife or something similar. Then run it across the sponge.

A few things are happening here:

1. Dirty soldering tip = low heat transfer = difficulty melting solder

2. Your solder is too thick for the job. What gauge solder are you using?

3. Your iron is simply not working properly.

Flux aids in soldering by helping solder adhere and flow to whatever you're soldering. I use it daily at work. Even on 'clean' work.

Flux is available in a couple of ways. Bottles and Pens. You will want the pen. Go to Radio Shack and ask them for a Flux Pen.

Flux Pens work like Paint Pens. You push the tip down a few times to get the flux flowing then just rub it on your work. Then you solder.

[adampecush]

Here's what I use. It's a Hako 936. It's the Non-ESD version. I picked it up from Fry's for ~70 bucks.

Excuse my bench. This is my personal bench at home so I don't have to keep this one clean... ;)



http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/CajunKenny_photos/Bench.jpg

exact same one I use. great piece of equipment.

[bfr1992t]

W25 and W60 with a selection of tips. Temp controlled but not the station model with the dial. I used to assemble and test circuit boards and sources for x-ray gauges used in the US and Asian steel industries. Nice scope. I have an old HP too.

To the OP, my guess is you have the type with the tip that screws in. Try cleaning the threads, or just twist it a few times then snug it up. Most of the cheap guns/irons use cheap metals that oxidize quickly so they need this done each time you use it. You get what you pay for.

[MarkIII4Me]

I was having the same issue with a cheapy Autozone iron. However, it turned out that it was due to the shitty solder that iron came with. I bought different solder and now have no issues. There is still some technique required. I'll hold the iron under the wires for a few seconds. For some reason the wires don't get hot enough to melt the solder at first, however, I melt the solder against the iron and the wires. Once the solder melts initially, I drag the solder line right across the top of the wires and it continues to melt as long as I keep the solder iron pressed against the bottom of the wires.

[supra90turbo]

What do you guys say about this soldering iron? I was going to buy it, but it seems too cheap... what do you think?

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=374-100
http://www.parts-express.com/images/item_standard/374-100_s.jpg

[Bri7man]

yeah it's got the screw in tip and I kind messed it up dragging it across the cement ground trying to clean it while soldering something upside down and tangled under my car...lol

I haven't tried the sponge technique and the flux pen but I will def go buy it. I'm not sure how to determine gauge so I figured I'd take a pic of the solder and iron as well for reference.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo175/Bri7manx/supra/PB040060.jpg
If it will do I'll keep it but otherwise if someone could recommend one that will work great w/o breaking the bank I'd appreciate it.

[CajunKenny]

supra90turbo: As long as you can get replacement tips and heating elements, it's a good buy. It'd be nice to have some sort of temperature indicator though.

I run mine at 800*F most of the time. I only run it hotter for EXTREMELY large jobs. 800-850 usually gets the job done.

[CajunKenny]

yeah it's got the screw in tip and I kind messed it up dragging it across the cement ground trying to clean it while soldering something upside down and tangled under my car...lol

I haven't tried the sponge technique and the flux pen but I will def go buy it. I'm not sure how to determine gauge so I figured I'd take a pic of the solder and iron as well for reference.




This is probably your problem. No more heat transfer...

[Poodles]

Crappy tip holder, that looks more like a wood/leather burning tool than a soldering iron...

[Bri7man]

Crappy tip holder, that looks more like a wood/leather burning tool than a soldering iron...

You know..... it might be..

Although it does say Chicago Soldering Iron. Wouldn't surprise me if it was re badged.

[bfr1992t]

Looks like the typical generic 25W soldering iron / hot knife / leather burner. They suck. You're better off with a butane torch/iron, but even those suck.

I'd avoid that Stahl too. I'm local to PE and I know I've picked it up once or twice over 10 or more years and remember thinking it was a piece.

[mkIIIman089]

1) It's from Harbor Fright.

2) What wattage is it?

3) What you're calling "bubble soldering" is bad technique.

4) Did I mention it's from Harbor Fright?

5) For auto use one of the Master Appliance models. Specifically the 40si or 100si. Lots of power, adjustable, no electricity needed. I wouldn't exactly call them inexpensive but good tools are an investment...

0.o 8mm chisel tip available on the 100! 80 bucks on Amazon isn't THAT bad if its a nice tool either.

[bfr1992t]

Whatever you do don't buy "Cold Heat".

[Poodles]

Cold-heat has it's uses (like when you don't have access to a wall outlet), other than that I hate the thing LOL

[Zumtizzle]

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062738

I use this.

You should have told me you needed an iron; i would have sent one to you. lol

I work at the shack.

[jetjock]

80 bucks on Amazon isn't THAT bad if its a nice tool either.

The UT40 is lower end but the UT100si is a nice tool. I own four of the various MA models and like it best. Powerful, adjustable, long run time, shrink tube tip and, if you get the model without self ignition, torch capable. I've hard-silver soldered with mine. These days the only time I use the electric (a Weller WD1002) is for PCB repair. For everything else I reach for the UT. It's a bit scary firing it up though. Sounds like a phaser on overload but so far it hasn't blown up :)

[mkIIIman089]

Sounds like a phaser on overload but so far it hasn't blown up :)

Nerd alert! ;)

The 100si was the one I checked on amazon for 74+ shipping, don't know the price on the 40 since after I saw the 100si it's pretty clear which one I'd buy. Way more useful accessories on the 100 to boot.

[Poodles]

I have an UT as well, it's a bit finicky to use sometimes, but it's nice.

[CajunKenny]

And with some PCV tubing, a firing chamber, and a potato........you've got yourself a sweet ignitor!

3...2...1...LAUNCH!!!! :biglaugh:

[Bri7man]

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062738

I use this.

You should have told me you needed an iron; i would have sent one to you. lol

I work at the shack.

I'm still looking for one, could you hook it up? Do you guys have a upgraded version of that one? I just want to be sure I get those sweet buttery solders. :naughty:

If that one's sufficient tho it's cool. I live 2 blocks away from a radio shack but if you could save me a buck I'd appreciate it.

[figgie]

here we go

this is what I have

http://www.xytronic-usa.com/168_index.htm

works great.

I myself normal use it at 600f-650f for soldering. 800 for de-soldering. Tips are interchangeable with most Weller tips.

[3p141592654]

I've had good luck with both Weller and Metcal over the years. Lately its been mostly Metcal, but probably too expensive for most people here.

[CajunKenny]

^Yeah, most folks are probably looking for something to fit a "Hobbiest's" needs.

Those are nice though! :)

[Bri7man]

Zumtizz hooked me up with this, haven't tried it out yet but it has 10 more watts then my previous one and seems legit.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062738

[3p141592654]

If money is tight, I'd try to buy a used Weller on EBay. These are superior irons to anything you will get at RS. There is a Weller WTCPS going for $15 right now, and lots of others in the $30 range. Parts and new tips can be bought at many places like Digikey.

Search for Weller Soldering Station

[jetjock]

People get good advice and still want to buy junk. Typical.


Btw 3p you might enjoy this ;)

http://tinyurl.com/5sh7zs

[kabanimk3supra]

I bought a orange soldering iron from Harbor Frieght a while ago and it's never been able to get the wires I'm soldering hot enough to melt the solder on it.

I've been "bubble" soldering with it since I got it by melting the bead on the iron then rubbing it on but it's really been a hassle and doesn't work very well. I've seen vids on youtube of people soldering and being able to get the wire hot enough to run the solder on it and it evenly disperses on the wires.

What are good soldering irons that aren't too expensive?

I have the same one. i just figured out the problem today.

After using it, it oxidizes a little each time. Being used 10 or so times, the tip was pretty much flat and black for the most part.

I was in the garage screwing around, and decided to give it a quick shave on my bench grinder.

It works better than new after the shave, exposing the copper looking material.(although I'm not sure what it's made of)

The solder melts like butter now.

I know it's a little late for that, but this can save someone a few bucks.

[Poodles]

:3d_frown:
http://www.inlandcraft.com/uguides/tipcare.htm

[Bri7man]

I already got one I didn't wanna wait for ebay shipping and the radio shack 40 watt should do just fine. If I find I need to solder more than once in 2weeks then I'll upgrade to the weller.

[kabanimk3supra]

:3d_frown:
http://www.inlandcraft.com/uguides/tipcare.htm

I have seen the error of my ways.

Thanks man.

I'm going to continue using it though because it's working fine for me so far.

BUT, I'll keep that in mind for the next tip I get.

[supra90turbo]

People get good advice and still want to buy junk. Typical.


Btw 3p you might enjoy this ;)

http://tinyurl.com/5sh7zs

Very cool! I love looking through old electronics catalogs. Never would have thought someone would have gone through all that!