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Have you ever tried to run a magnifier with the eotech? Been curious about those
The magnifier is awesome as long as it's not the main sight you use. If you do mostly CQB with the occasional long shot, EOTech w/magnifier is gonna work out awesome for ya. If you find yourself always taking long shots, it's just not the most optimal set up (I'd probably just get a Trijicon).

Got my eye on a Sig p226 MK25-TB, but that's still probably a year off.
I have a 226 in .40S&W and love it, didn't clean it for over a year and put 200+ rounds a week through it before it misfired on me once. It's solid, accurate, and reliable. I've been nothing but happy with it since I bought it about 4 years ago

Guess again. Shoulder a Sig Brace at your own risk:

http://tinyurl.com/n43cedy

Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long...
I just saw an ATF memo the other day that said that the Sig brace was not being considered a stock. I personally think it shouldn't matter, but what do I know...
 

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The side mount is pretty awesome. I run the one from RS regulate. It still holds zero after taking it on and off for the past few years.
 

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This is my newest and last for a while. The Glock 21 makes more sense, but what the hell.



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I've seen this thread a few times but I've never chimed in that I remember. I don't have a lot of guns but here is what I do have.

A Bulldog Pug .44 special
A .40 S&W
A Keltec .380
A Ruger .380
And a .25 something or other that my wife keeps in her purse.
I also have two .22 rifles that I squirrel hunt with. One is a ruger 10/22 break down and the other is a Remington Speedmaster.

If those sound wrong then they probably are but that's what I remember having......lol
 

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I don't have anything special:

Ruger LCP with heavy duty recoil spring and stainless guide pin, Hogue grip.
Smith&Wesson M&P Shield .40

I love the .40

No pics because I'm boring.
 

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Yeah, but the Glock's not nearly so pretty.
For anybody that has never shot nor read, the Glock 21 is actually a much better choice. It holds 13 rounds. It is the most reliable thing there is, provided you don't have a sissy wrist, and it won't ever accidentally discharge. You have to pull the trigger. And they have a polygonal barrel. But yeah, it isn't a 1911.
 

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For anybody that has never shot nor read, the Glock 21 is actually a much better choice. It holds 13 rounds. It is the most reliable thing there is, provided you don't have a sissy wrist, and it won't ever accidentally discharge. You have to pull the trigger. And they have a polygonal barrel. But yeah, it isn't a 1911.
This is true but there are other options out there for a double stack .45 or 9mm in a 1911 slide. The 2011 guns from STI, Para and Rock Island are all super reliable choices for a double stack .45
 

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It definitely is, if you're buying for utility alone. They don't all have to be for work.
Call it whatever you want, the end of civilization as you know as Islam runs wild, zombies, or old fashioned combat, it is the best choice. Glock triggers suck, just like the colt trigger in the mass produced A2 rifle. But they work every time.


There's something about a 1911 that makes men (sissy wrists or not) want to own it.
The limp wrist is actually about the Glock, as that is the only way to get it to malfunction. The Glock has to malfunction, not the ammo. Or the very poor treatment. And it weighs much more for long term usage if it came to that.

But I also like the weight of the 1911, its 5 inch barrel, long slide, and steel frame. It makes it useful for pistol whipping. I mean that in a serious way. Sadly.
 

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Nick. I agree. And I understood the limp wrist comment. I re-used it to make a point about the 1911. The first time I saw one I was in love. I was 7 years old and had fired no more than 3 guns; a double barrel 12 gauge, a lever action .30-30 and a single shot .22 rifle. But still I knew I had to have a 1911 some day. It didn't matter that I knew nothing about them. I think they are the most visually appealing handgun design ever conceived.
It's perfectly fine to buy something that works great and is beautiful instead of something that is ugly and perfect. I seriously doubt that the reason the zombies finally overrun you will be on account of you getting the 1911 instead of the G21. But I could be wrong. I think it's happened once before.
As for pistol whipping, we all run out of ammo eventually(if we live long enough).
 

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This is true but there are other options out there for a double stack .45 or 9mm in a 1911 slide. The 2011 guns from STI, Para and Rock Island are all super reliable choices for a double stack .45
The PO Black Ops 14.45 is on my short list. Reliably fires 14 heavy rounds before you have to drop the magazine and it feels like it was tailored just for me. Of course you could buy two G21s for roughly the same amount of $.
 

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The PO Black Ops 14.45 is on my short list. Reliably fires 14 heavy rounds before you have to drop the magazine and it feels like it was tailored just for me. Of course you could buy two G21s for roughly the same amount of $.

but then you own two tupperware containers
 

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OT in general has been dead for a long while....As for firearms...My wife and I love to shoot, and are planning on selling our house here in the next 6months and moving to the country for land and building a private range is on my list.

As far as guns:
DPMS AR-10 SASS
Ruger MINI 30
Colt AR-15
Norinco SKS
Ruger 10/22
Remington 870 Tact
RIA 1911
Glock 17
Sig P238

Nearly not enough for us...
and the famous Mosin...
 

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Make sure you do not get sucked into marketing phonies over the shitty 300 blackout.

When you go with an aftermarket AR-15 variant in an alternative caliber, the 6.8 SPC is the best choice. Specifically in a carbine. That is what the cartridge was developed for. AKA the 6.8 x 43.

Savage Arms said:
Some time ago, Savage announced it would be chambering the Model 10 Precision Carbine in 300 AAC Blackout. Since that time, we have tested many variants of this cartridge in various barrel lengths and rates of twist. This exhaustive testing left us quite unsatisfied with the accuracy we were able to get from the subsonic loads in this chambering. Accuracy with the lighter, faster loads in this caliber was actually quite good. But we believe the real value in this cartridge lies in the use of subsonic loads for suppressed rifles. Therefore we have decided to scrap the project.

It is our understanding that pushing these heavy, slow bullets presents challenges not found in typical loadings and that our experience is not unique. Subsequently, many in the industry have simply adopted a lower standard for accuracy for these subsonic loads. While this does seem reasonable and we don't criticize any in our industry that have taken this approach, it just won't work for Savage.

Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available. We would rather walk away from this opportunity than sell a product that requires an explanation.
 

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Make sure you do not get sucked into marketing phonies over the shitty 300 blackout.

When you go with an aftermarket AR-15 variant in an alternative caliber, the 6.8 SPC is the best choice. Specifically in a carbine. That is what the cartridge was developed for. AKA the 6.8 x 43.

That round was made for short barrels PDW weapons an not really accuracy. It filled the gap between a 7.62x39 cartridge in an AR and A 5.56, stopping power was the name of the game. I try not to get sucked into any of the uncommon rounds, too hard to find and too expensive.
 

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The 6.8 spc is a great round and so is the .458 socom. Newbie I haven't been shooting in Oregon in quite a few years. I usually stick to larch mt English pit or head up north towards st Helens
 

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That round was made for short barrels PDW weapons an not really accuracy.
So one does not have to hit what they are shooting?

It filled the gap between a 7.62x39 cartridge in an AR and A 5.56,
Actually, its as hard as the 7.62 x 39, it is not between them. The thing is, rounds already exist in a platform like that. It was almost never used and had a short life. It is called the Thompson Sub Machine Gun in 45 ACP.

I try not to get sucked into any of the uncommon rounds, too hard to find and too expensive.
Good plan. Make yourself familiar with gunbot.net. They do it because google will not.
 

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Gunbot.net is a Fantastic site. Even when everyone was belly aching about not being able to find .22 I had no problem finding it on there.
 

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Make sure you do not get sucked into marketing phonies over the shitty 300 blackout.

When you go with an aftermarket AR-15 variant in an alternative caliber, the 6.8 SPC is the best choice. Specifically in a carbine. That is what the cartridge was developed for. AKA the 6.8 x 43.
Don't worry I won't not a fan of the round, to expensive for what you really get...I'm a commblock whore....love me some dirty sickle and hammer 7.62x39 next AR build will be in it. I'm addicted to my Mini-30 and SKS, I love shooting them, and I can run through 100s of rounds and not feel like I just burned some money....

My philosophy until I begin to reload.....shot steel shit until hell freezes over. I've got around 3k rounds of just Red Army, Wolf and Demilled bullshit stacked in 30cal cans just waiting to be eaten.
 

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Do some research when building an AR in 7.62 x 39. I know it's being done, but the amount of case taper makes me think feeding issues will be a challenge.
As far as the 300 BLK is concerned, I think it gets way more shit than it deserves. It was never made for civilians. It actually serves it's purpose very well.
 

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Don't worry I won't not a fan of the round, to expensive for what you really get...I'm a commblock whore....love me some dirty sickle and hammer 7.62x39 next AR build will be in it. I'm addicted to my Mini-30 and SKS, I love shooting them, and I can run through 100s of rounds and not feel like I just burned some money.....
The M855 "green tip" was developed for the belt fed FN-249. The M16A2 was adapted to fit the round. And it does fairly well. But in the standard military carbine of 14.7" barrel, or even shorter for some the bullet fails to yaw (tumble) or fragment with great frequency. So it is just not effective. This became apparent in Afghanistan in 2001. Nothing like a little long range hunting with .22 that isn't going fast. That is why the 6.8 came out. A bigger bullet was needed.

You can read about it here. The article is about the development and why it was chosen and 6.5 was not. Nor was 7mm.

The 6.8 and the 7.62 have similar characteristics, both of which do more damage than the 5.56 in a carbine. They are both much more lethal. I have an SKS. It is a great utility weapon. No doubt. The disadvantage is the non removable 10 shot magazine. RRA has come out with a 7.62 x 39 AR that seems to solve one big issue, namely feeding with the irregular to an AR magazine. Check it out on their site. It shouldn't have any feeding issues.

Or just get the 6.8 and be done with it. Just don't get one that is a SAAMI chamber. That is like buying .223 chambered rifle instead of a 5.56 chambered rifle.
 

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The M855 "green tip" was developed for the belt fed FN-249. The M16A2 was adapted to fit the round. And it does fairly well. But in the standard military carbine of 14.7" barrel, or even shorter for some the bullet fails to yaw (tumble) or fragment with great frequency. So it is just not effective. This became apparent in Afghanistan in 2001. Nothing like a little long range hunting with .22 that isn't going fast. That is why the 6.8 came out. A bigger bullet was needed.

You can read about it here. The article is about the development and why it was chosen and 6.5 was not. Nor was 7mm.

The 6.8 and the 7.62 have similar characteristics, both of which do more damage than the 5.56 in a carbine. They are both much more lethal. I have an SKS. It is a great utility weapon. No doubt. The disadvantage is the non removable 10 shot magazine. RRA has come out with a 7.62 x 39 AR that seems to solve one big issue, namely feeding with the irregular to an AR magazine. Check it out on their site. It shouldn't have any feeding issues.

Or just get the 6.8 and be done with it. Just don't get one that is a SAAMI chamber. That is like buying .223 chambered rifle instead of a 5.56 chambered rifle.
As much as I think the 6.8 SPC round is fun round, it's still to expensive for me to shoot just for the hell of it. Until someone starts pumping it out by the billions like the 7.62x39 round, I'll steer away from it unfortunately. I've been eyeing the RRA AR as it looks well built, but ARs in 7.62x39 are getting pretty popular at this point so building one isn't a massive undertaking anymore. I'm also a big fan of 10 and 20 round mags as I run them in both the Mini 30 and AR10, which I've been looking to even go down to 5 and 10 rounders just because of the weight saving on the rifle itself. 20 rounds of .308 are not light.

My next thing I've been looking into though is a lever action in 38 special.
 

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The only thing that costs what the 7.62 x 39 cost is the 7.62 x 39. And as soon as you get quality round (I also have bulk Tula) the price goes way up. Sellier and Belliot sell it in 110 FMJ at a good price. But not Tula price. You comment on 6.8 price while sporting a .308?
 

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.308 is crazy expensive. I run a lot of Tula and wolf .223 through my ars and the price is about the same as the 7.62x39. While the 762x39 does have more stopping power the range on it sucks. I'll stick to .223 Walmart around here carries 500 round cases for 120 of the steel and I've never had an issue. if I need more knock down power I'll go with 12 gauge slugs.
 

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The only thing that costs what the 7.62 x 39 cost is the 7.62 x 39. And as soon as you get quality round (I also have bulk Tula) the price goes way up. Sellier and Belliot sell it in 110 FMJ at a good price. But not Tula price. You comment on 6.8 price while sporting a .308?
I shoot the AR10 like a bolt action almost, so I'll run through like 100 rounds normally at the range doing long range(if you can call it that). With the AR15 and SKS/Mini I just chug through rounds like nothing 500+ on a range day just because it's cheap. Plus when sandy happened people bought 556/223 like it was the last bunch they will ever see, but I could still get 7.62x39 for a relatively cheap price.

.308 is crazy expensive. I run a lot of Tula and wolf .223 through my ars and the price is about the same as the 7.62x39. While the 762x39 does have more stopping power the range on it sucks. I'll stick to .223 Walmart around here carries 500 round cases for 120 of the steel and I've never had an issue. if I need more knock down power I'll go with 12 gauge slugs.
Until a scare happens again, then you can kiss all the 223 good bye along with any ARs on the shell once again...I love our culture of firearms, but some of us are panicky as hell.
 

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Speaking of which, Wal Mart (locally) actually had a bunch in their little glass locker. Most if it is good for plinking and not much else. I still use gun bot.
 

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Yesterday the atf had announced that they change their mind and now sig arm braces are illegal to shoulder and to do so you need a nfa tax stamp.
 

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Redacted per Title 18 USC Section 798
^ Yep: http://tinyurl.com/pon5aql

"The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked."

"Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA."
 

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It's truely retarded and it pusses me off they can just make law without any legislative branch at all.
 

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I hear ya and agree. That said this may turn out to be a good thing. Once it's litigated the ATF must convince a judge that shouldering the brace constitutes "redesign". If that ridiculous argument fails (and several legal experts think there's a good chance it will) the days of SBR rules as we know them may be numbered.
 

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Possibly but as Antigun as the current government is they will do anything to come up with another bs law to regulate it
 

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The limp wrist is actually about the Glock, as that is the only way to get it to malfunction. The Glock has to malfunction, not the ammo.
[video=youtube;H_Uqtz2asE4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;H_Uqtz2asE4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4[/video]
Interesting, Nick. Thanks. I've heard of that, but never really gave any thought to what it actually was. That was impressive how "On Demand" those failures were.
 

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My daily carry piece does the same thing, just not as bad. Never even knew it did until a fellow shooter kept having it jam on him. It never once jammed on me until I tried to get it to by "limp-wristing" it. I couldn't make it do it every time the way you can with a Glock, but enough to realize that's what he was doing.
 

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In case you actually needed to know how much the Stoner rifle can do past its intended point. This is why the belt feds exist.

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