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SupraMario

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I haven't been around in a long ass time, but shit...this site seems dead :(

Where is everyone? Did the supra game kinda die? or did the forums just kinda end because of social media sites?


I miss the good ol' days of SM.
 
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Hey Mario, Yes its been kinda dead unfortunately. I remember the old days when almost all profiles had the green "online" light up next to their name and you can get a response within a few minutes for most questions or even a post in the "item wanted" section. SF has lot of activity though but I personally like SM better.
 
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Still here.
Still making parts.

Noticed especially the last few weeks, really has been dead here.
 

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I feel like the only thing I am missing from social media MKIII groups is the FS parts.

Glad I spend zero time on those sites otherwise, epic waste of time.
 

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I think Facebook has really been the reason. SM traffic has really died since the redirect and spam stuff started a few years back. Whether it's google's fault or not, it's taken a toll on SM it seems. Now the MK3 section of SF has equal or more traffic, which is a shame.

I still check SM first on a semi-daily basis, but there's just nothing going on.

On the plus side... Facebook has adopted most the shit-posts. So there's that...
 

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What's up, SupraMario?!

I actually asked that question to one of my old SM/SF friends recently; yeah, social media took a bite out of forums.
Personally, I think social media is too invasive: FB actually asked me for government ID to stay on.
What if FB is actually a way for the government to spy on you and know how you think and feel about every issue?
The thing is, people just offer up so much info: where they are, what they do, when they do it....just so unwise to disclose so much!
I'm with you, I do like the old forums.
I'm also a big fan of DIY, so I need forums for possible support; a great lifeline to have.
Currently, I don't have a Supra, but may be needing to do some engine work on my Passat...so I'm on the Passat forums.
The Supras (I had 2 of them) will always be very special to me and other cars just aren't so special to me.
And as far as SM and SF, I've learned so much from those forums--not just about cars, but how to think better and also...some interpersonal skills as well.
I have the old school crew to thank for that elevation to my thinking. heheheh
The old Supra crew....to me, they are like how others see their high school class mates. :)
 

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Sold the Supra, other forums, real life, etc...

Facebook groups have their positives, but definitely their negatives. No real way to search for info like the forums so you end up having the same question over and over.
 

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fb/social media have hit a lot of the forums...not just this place. i'm on several car, guitar/music forums and they all have threads like this.

ricekillers is shut down, texassupras and supraforumz are no longer around anymore.

funny thing is i just picked up my first mkiii (currenly own a mkiv and had one previously) and was hoping to get some help with my new build...
 
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I'm still here and also check in almost daily. Crazy that some of the members on the FB group don't even know that SM even exists. Smh. I no longer have a Supra but will, when the right one shows up. I still get on here and follow builds closely. I actually use the notepad to mark what pages I've left off on the builds I follow.

Speaking of builds, what happen to buckshotglass? Kwnate's 800hp 7M? Bluechulappa (spelling?)? CajunKen? Just to name a few. I have a list of almost 50 builds I've been following throughout the years and every time I get on I always hope there'd be an update on those builds lol.
 

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I'm here almost every day. I'm not a long-term member but joined when my MKIII search got serious and actually found the car I bought on this site. I'm not on FB, or any other social media site for that matter. I own five Supras, 3 MKIVs, one MKIII and one MKII, so I spend my time on Supraforums, SM and celicasupra.com.

I have to say, though, that site activity has declined noticeably during my time as a member. Even so, I conducted the vast majority of my MKIII due diligence search on SM. I'm not the world's best searcher, but SM threads on BHGs and the proper way to fix, or prevent, them were of significant value to me, as was information regarding installing my HKS VPC/GCC combo on my '91 and a bunch of other related topics (go here for the details: http://www.supramania.com/forums/sh...time!-Finally-found-a-mkiii-meet-crimson-tide).

I'm a mod on Supraforums and, sometimes, it seems like the mod team is talking only to one another, with many, many members having migrated to FB. Still, if a guy has a technical question, or a build thread in progress, the forums are the venues of choice. Celicasupra.com is suffering as well, but maybe not to the degree of SM and SF (with SM suffering the worst, IMO). Lots of active build threads there and the typical cs.com member does not appear to be as attracted to FB as the SM and SF members.


Ken.
 

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I barely browse here anymore. Not much more information to garner, I guess. I finished my Supra (though I'm thinking of selling it soon), bought an S2000 that gets most of my attention, and most of the Supra people I talk to are local. I'm part of Supra FB groups, but never really view them.

I'll go update my "build" thread I guess. :1zhelp:
 

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What's up Mario? I'm not on any other social sites, I just work all the time. When I get home at night, I practice softball with my youngest daughter and then eat and go to sleep......wake up and repeat.
I'm slowly working on my supra. I've got my engine in but I don't have everything hooked up yet. I can't wait to get it all going. I ordered a 6466 for it yesterday. Should be a lot of fun once it's finished.
 

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I actually stop by once in a blue moon to look at political discussions or opinions / insights.
Being that I kind of know some people here, that makes it different than reading a political opinion from a complete stranger.
Before I had any interest in political topics, I remember DreamerTheresa's stance on some religions. I have to say, she was years ahead of me but I am enlightened now as to what organized religion is.
I once read a post by another member (maybe I should leave his name out in case I don't perfectly restate what he said) and how laws are made by the capabilities of the weakest link...yeah, that's how they do it, isn't it...a world made because of the harms that can come from the dumbest or least capable people...makes me think how much I'd like to live in a world that was made for the smarter, more capable, and honest and decent people.

And then there are other views that may be less intellectually honest and more propaganda like; and other postings that are good too.
Some times I wonder if I should post some things that took me some time to realize that many people don't seem to understand...
I do know that the off topic forum is set up for the thick skinned people and thin skinned people are properly warned beforehand. heheheh
 

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I have noticed all forums that I used to frequent are now pretty dead. For this forum it seems like it must have been a recent thing as if you look at the whats going on bit at the bottom there were 597 people online on 31st August 2015 so peak traffic was only 2 years ago. Seems like lots of guests about as currently only 3 members online and 126 guests.
 

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Honestly, the pool of owners is shrinking like crazy. Not just that but face book offers an easier medium to see content.

Forums all over are way more dead because of this. Online forums have aged because they don't offer good ways to host pictures or videos and a less than desiarable moble experience. Worst still forum owners generally offer poor maintenance hence the spam redirect of this site.

There is one thing a forum cannot be beat for and that is finding and searching old content.

Forums need to be brought to this decade...
 

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Honestly, the pool of owners is shrinking like crazy. Not just that but face book offers an easier medium to see content.

Forums all over are way more dead because of this. Online forums have aged because they don't offer good ways to host pictures or videos and a less than desiarable moble experience. Worst still forum owners generally offer poor maintenance hence the spam redirect of this site.

There is one thing a forum cannot be beat for and that is finding and searching old content.

Forums need to be brought to this decade...
I agree with all of this.

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Too bad I will never venture into social media platforms again.
What am I missing out on?
I already feel like the old guy yelling at the kids to get off the grass. LOL

I was on facebook in the very beginning when they still required college email addresses to use it.
Once that requirement ended, I closed the account and never looked back.
That and the epic waste of time it had become, endless posts of meaningless dribble.

It is a shame that the forums have really fallen off, seems supraforums is also experiencing this.
Its a great searchable archive of information, minus all the broken photo hosting hotlinks.

What is it going to take to bring forums back to this decade?
What would innovate it enough to bring in a new audience of 30 second attention spans?
 

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I've had some ideas on ways to revolutionize the way online car communities work over the last year or two, but have yet to implement them. The forum system can work, but in order to maintain attention spans I've found that it requires significant activity. Without that, people visit, see nothing and leave without posting their own ideas/activity, and with less activity more people leave. People want to be able to just share things that happen and quickly get responses. People only see the most popular topics and others fall away.

Facebook makes things accessible to people and quickly. People can respond quickly and see new updates all the time. There are fewer of these cars around and more people have the knowledge they need (or can find it) without needing to open new discussions. Or it's too much of a pain to ask on a forum where a response is likely to take a few hours at least versus Facebook where an answer (right or wrong) can be had in minutes.

Keeping things organized and searchable while also providing an interface that allows people to quickly respond to specific people, etc., can be quite the challenge. There is other forum software out there that I find works better for this than vBulletin. I don't particularly care for the newer versions of vB, but what we're on here is also not that up to date either, though some of the plugins we have do help, I'm not sure it's enough. In addition, I find the forums spread a bit too thin these days. While the organization is good for finding things sometimes, it means there are many forums that haven't had a post in years. I think in general, SM needs work, but also that there is the possibility it will never be that active ever again, and that is something that needs to be considered.

All said, the forum isn't dead yet, and there is a lot of good stuff here. Forums are just a different, less active, medium these days (with some exceptions of course, I am on Tacomaworld and that place is very active, but they are also still selling them in showrooms, so people have a lot of questions and sometimes the answers are more difficult to find).

Jeff
 

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I'm surprised FB hasnt come up with a forum feature yet, that would be the best option for forums to be honest. Plus with photbucket fucking everybody over, using FB as the hosting site for all those pics is again the best option imo
 

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Just passing through on my way to Facebook...............not really. I'm not on facebook any more than I am anywhere else. I don't have much to say and less to post about. Working all the time and then working on my car when I'm not traveling with my daughter playing softball.
 

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If the guys who run this site ever do decide it's time to hang it up what are the odds that the entire site could be archived somewhere forever and ever? I've spent literally thousands of hours reading, collecting info, searching, etc, on this site ever since I switched from the sogi mailing list - I don't post, but this site has been invaluable and I'd hate to lose it as a reference. I plan to keep my Supra until I die, already had it for 21 years now...
 
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I've had some ideas on ways to revolutionize the way online car communities work over the last year or two, but have yet to implement them. The forum system can work, but in order to maintain attention spans I've found that it requires significant activity. Without that, people visit, see nothing and leave without posting their own ideas/activity, and with less activity more people leave. People want to be able to just share things that happen and quickly get responses. People only see the most popular topics and others fall away.

Facebook makes things accessible to people and quickly. People can respond quickly and see new updates all the time. There are fewer of these cars around and more people have the knowledge they need (or can find it) without needing to open new discussions. Or it's too much of a pain to ask on a forum where a response is likely to take a few hours at least versus Facebook where an answer (right or wrong) can be had in minutes.

Keeping things organized and searchable while also providing an interface that allows people to quickly respond to specific people, etc., can be quite the challenge. There is other forum software out there that I find works better for this than vBulletin. I don't particularly care for the newer versions of vB, but what we're on here is also not that up to date either, though some of the plugins we have do help, I'm not sure it's enough. In addition, I find the forums spread a bit too thin these days. While the organization is good for finding things sometimes, it means there are many forums that haven't had a post in years. I think in general, SM needs work, but also that there is the possibility it will never be that active ever again, and that is something that needs to be considered.

All said, the forum isn't dead yet, and there is a lot of good stuff here. Forums are just a different, less active, medium these days (with some exceptions of course, I am on Tacomaworld and that place is very active, but they are also still selling them in showrooms, so people have a lot of questions and sometimes the answers are more difficult to find).

Jeff
I, too, am on Tacomaworld and feel like it's the best forum I've been on. But, like you said, Tacomas are still being sold new and there's also a huge aftermarket for the truck. Do you want a Rock Crawler, Expo/Camping Rig, Long Travel, fast lowered X-Runner or just stock truck? A Supra is either going to be really nice or really fast, no other real direction to go. Once I bought my Tacoma, I've spent less time here and more on Tacomaworld. The main site mod tcBob even made a piece of code to update everyone's Photobucket posts after that site changed. The forums there are very organized and all have a lot of activity. I still check in on SM occasionally but maybe only once a month. I almost didn't even post this, because I figure "who cares". On TW, I'll post several times a day. I have a local group of about 25-30+ TW members who are active and we meet up to work on trucks, go wheeling or just BS and drink beer. There are a few Supras in my area, but everyone's car is broke so no meets or anything. Texassupras.com is dead and even the FB group is just an occasional picture and not of a locals car or it's a "Spotted, who dis?" kinda post, nothing of value to the community. I am part of many of the FB groups, but they're pretty terrible. It's usually beat to shit cars owned by younger guys and many are the JZ crowd. Most of the 7M posts are just selling parts, nothing technical. Of course, I can come on SM, search for technical issues and usually find someone has experienced the same thing in the past. Asking any new questions may take a while to get a response, if you ever get one at all. I do hope that the knowledge archive of Supramania is able to live on somewhere because I always preferred it over SF. In the end, I think it's that the owner pool has shrunk considerably, and the crowd that do own them are either too young for the forums and prefer FB or the older owners have real life going on (wife, kids, house, etc) to contend with so not as much time to be on the forums.
 

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I'm still around, although considerably less active (online in general) than I was when I had a desk job and a long lunch break that was usually spent on here. Since then, I've sold the first house, had the second one built, built the Supra that I'd been collecting parts for (it's still a work in progress, but MAN... it's good), and uh... yeah. Work, mostly, maintaining the fleet. Got into metal fabrication last year, turns out, it's a lot of fun! I'm still crap with wood work though haha. Can't "un-cut" wood like you can with metal...

Anyway, looking forward to seeing a rejuvenated Supramania someday, if for nothing else than the social aspect of it. You'll never be able to look back on the fun times that were had on any sort of social media, but forums, forums are forever! :)
 

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Glad at least a few people are still kicking around. I'd like to see more activity here, but there are just so few cars left. :(

Jeff
 

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Glad at least a few people are still kicking around. I'd like to see more activity here, but there are just so few cars left. :(

Jeff
I still watch for clean 91-92s to come up for sale. I check around here, autotrader, cars.com, craigs, etc... It's very rare for one to pop up for sale that's a factory turbo manual 91/92. I feel like they used to be readily available, but definitely not anymore.

I also very rarely see any mk3 on the road. It was somewhat rare a few years ago, but now it seems like a once in a quarter thing - if that.
 

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Well, in my neck of the woods, I'm still one of the only people with a Mk3. There is one other that I'm aware of that might someday see the outside world again, but who knows for how long. There was a super mint Mk2 in town, haven't seen it in some time now. There is also a Mk4 in town as well, but it's one of those "special occasion cars" I believe, perhaps like the Mk2.

I daily mine in the spring / summer / fall when I'm not working on it. Intending to get a winter tire setup so I can enjoy it on decent days during the winter, when it's just cold but not super snowy and icy. No reason not to enjoy them if they're in good shape!

Consider this though... this isn't just an isolated issue with our vehicles. Cars get older, they either become junk, to some, or projects to others. When is the last time you saw any other cars from the Mk3 era on the road? Then add in the relative rarity and low build numbers of these cars, it's no surprise you don't see them often. Part of the reason I love them, they always feel special. :)
 

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There were never any risks to users, it was a redirect intended for search engines. It did make things annoying to use though, that's for sure.

It has been corrected.

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I’m mostly an unknown in the community, but I’ve owned Supras since 1993. I currently own a clean 91 turbo, which hasn’t seen the road since February 2016. I’ve been too lazy to replace a coolant hose, that’s all it needs. My mkiv needs nothing, only registration. It too sits all the time, although it comes out on nice weekends around the block, that’s all. My theory for the forum slowing down is also a change in demographics: we’re getting older, acquiring more responsibilities, and the hobbies get somewhat neglected. On top of those factors already mentioned...
 

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I’m mostly an unknown in the community, but I’ve owned Supras since 1993. I currently own a clean 91 turbo, which hasn’t seen the road since February 2016. I’ve been too lazy to replace a coolant hose, that’s all it needs. My mkiv needs nothing, only registration. It too sits all the time, although it comes out on nice weekends around the block, that’s all. My theory for the forum slowing down is also a change in demographics: we’re getting older, acquiring more responsibilities, and the hobbies get somewhat neglected. On top of those factors already mentioned...
This is true, especially with less cars around, it will mean that many young people who would buy the cars previously can't because people with nice ones don't want to sell them and the supply of cheap ones is drying up.

But alas, not much we can do about that part of it.

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If anything I have been the complete opposite.
When I was younger in college I was not as active here or at least was broke and couldn't do much beyond drive the vehicle.

Now that I have some more $ and time to invest into this vehicle I am doing it right.
My co-workers do not believe how much time I am able to put into the vehicle even with a career and family at home.
You have to be willing to give up all useless television, video games, general lazyness and stay up very late working on the vehicle.
Most people I talk with don't have the self control or motivation to give up such things as TV, social media, drinking, ect..

As time goes on I see less and less interesting old vehicles on the road.
Will be a nice feeling once I am able to daily drive mine again, I see zero MK3's or MK4's on the road around here.
Too many good vehicles out there hiding in garages being neglected.
Cars are meant to be used as intended, not become a trophy that never sees daylight.

Other areas of the country do not match what is happening here, thank goodness.