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I seem to be replying to a lot of your threads/comments lately. Colorado is coming alive on here i guess.

If you haven't already I'd strongly encourage you to go over to Blucore and do their pistol rental. I believe they have a couple smaller xD framed guns to try out.

I have two buddies with compact xD pistols.
-One is the xDs in 45. I have larger hands than average and I generally like a thicker grip, but the xDs was surprisingly comfortable to handle. Not my ideal pistol, but it wasn't as bad as I expected. It was actually very smooth for such a small framed 45.
-I'm pretty sure the other is a plain xD compact in .40. Still smooth and ok to handle. The grip isn't my ideal size, but it's still a great gun.

I started out looking at the xD lineup and was nearly sold until I shot a ton of pistols at Blucore. I've now shot a couple dozen pistols from friends and what Blucore has for rental and I'm very glad I did. I won't be buying a Springfield anymore. Not because they aren't great guns, but because I found a few other designs that I like better.

I found a few things:
-I don't necessarily like the striker fire pistols. I don't really know why. My first pistol was a Sig p239 and I guess I got used to the SA/DA and know that's what I expect and am most comfortable with. This leans me away from the xD lineup.
-The safety features I was impressed with online on the Springfield don't mean much to me anymore. While the idea of the grip safety, trigger safety and loaded chamber indicator are fantastic I never found them useful while at the range. Perhaps I was just focused on other things, like say the targets downrange and general gun safety 101.
-The triggers on all the xDs I've fired were not overly impressive. They were fine, not amazing. Were it not for my extra exposure to a variety of other pistols I probably wouldn't notice.
-The triggers on Sig Sauers seem consistently better than some other manufacturers. The HK USP I tried was also good, but I'd say the Sig P226 was above all I've ever fired.
-The grip on some pistols feels VERY awkward for me. Most notably the narrow single stack mag semi-autos. The CZ factory grip feels awful IMO. Kinda like very rough sandpaper. Not enjoyable.
-The grips on some pistols were very comfortable. Sig p226 was the winner, but the HK USP also stood out. I believe the full size xD was also comfortable.

You asked for thoughts and now I've rambled for about 5 minutes so I should stop. Thanks for giving me a mini-therapy session to vent my Sig P226 obsession. I was planning on an xD this year, but now I'm holding out while my gun fund grows so I can buy the P226 instead. It's about double the price, but there was an obvious quality difference firing the two one after the other.

Go shoot around and see what you like. For me, all my hours of internet research was shot to hell with only 45 minutes firing a dozen or so pistols back to back in real life.
 

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I was looking at a CZ in the .45 or 9mm until a friend pointed me at the XD I shot one with the larger 5"? barrel last weekend and really enjoyed it. I still want to try the CZ and maybe something else but i can already tell I'd be happy with a XD
 

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thanks for the advice, i think ill head down there and check it out i didnt even know it existed.
 

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I LOVE my Sig but it depends on what purpose you are gettint it for. While I love my Sig for shooting it would not be my first CC option.
 

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The XDSC is a solid concealed carry weapon. So is the Shield. But my personal favorite CC comes from a manufacturer with a not-so-hot rep. The Taurus PT709 Slim.
I tend to look to makers such as H&K, Sig, Colt, Springfield, Kimber, etc when I feel the need to pick up another handgun. But someone recommended the 709 and I skeptically tried it out. It now goes where I go. I love it. Say what you will about Taurus, this little gun is a tack driver. And it's had more than it's fair share of rounds through it without issue.
There are a lot of good choices and a lot of tastes.
 

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There are some really nice CC guns out now. I know with the proper clothing, holster and forethought you can conceal almost anything. I daily CC'd a Beretta 92f with 3 mags for over 9 months in a foreign country for work. The Beretta would definetally not have been my first choice but it was what was issued.
 

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I also like a hammer fired gun. I love my HK p30sk. A part of it is that when holstering, I like to keep my thump on the hammer, ensuring the trigger not gonna get pulled back by being caught on something. Another part is I like the fact that a hammer fired gun has double strike capability (never had a 9mm not go off on the first strike, but I have a .223 in my rifle). I find a lot of my mechanic buddies also like hammer fired vs striker, and I think its because a hands on guy likes to see what is going on in a gun, but maybe thats just me.
 

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Huge HK fan here ^ p30sk or vp9sk is my next purchase. I have also really grown to like s&w, M&P 5" is what I run in comps and summer carry is a shield. Also what my wife carries.

Glocks don't fit me, XD's are nice but i like both options above more. Cz and any well made 1911 will also be a great option. Biggest thing is throwing out looks and perception and shooting them all. Get what you shoot well and fits your needs.
 

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Haha, nice thread bump.

Here I am 3.5 years after my post and I ended up buying a P226 (MK25). Absolutely love it. Best gun I've ever fired. I'm still very much an amateur with it, but it's all I could ask for. Expensive as hell, but worth the wait until I had the extra disposable funds.
 

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I 2nd the P226 MK25. Finest handgun I've ever owned.... next to my Sig 1911. Next choice is my Springfield XDM in 9mm. XDS 9mm is my carry.
If I can offer some advice, go for what fits first, then the company. If it's not comfortable in your hands, you most likely won't shoot it all that great.
 

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Huge HK fan here ^ p30sk or vp9sk is my next purchase. I have also really grown to like s&w, M&P 5" is what I run in comps and summer carry is a shield. Also what my wife carries.

Glocks don't fit me, XD's are nice but i like both options above more. Cz and any well made 1911 will also be a great option. Biggest thing is throwing out looks and perception and shooting them all. Get what you shoot well and fits your needs.
Its funny how when I am buying or thinking of buying a pistol, I often get recommended to try out a glock. When I say "no thanks, Im not a fan of glocks", I get looked at like I just said something crazy. Nothing against glocks, just not my thing. The grip angle isnt for me, and I prefer DA/SA.

I am considering a CZ for my next gun, I hear good things about the p09, and it has 19+1 capacity.
 

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Haha, nice thread bump.

Here I am 3.5 years after my post and I ended up buying a P226 (MK25). Absolutely love it. Best gun I've ever fired. I'm still very much an amateur with it, but it's all I could ask for. Expensive as hell, but worth the wait until I had the extra disposable funds.
The sig is a sweet pistol. One of those things that it might hurt paying $1000 for a gun, but youll likely still enjoy it 10 years down the road.

When I just got into guns about three years ago and came into a gun shop, the two guns that I was really impressed with were the Sig p226 and the HK p30. Seeing those kinds of guns up close you understand why they demand a premium price. I cheaped out on my first pistol, and now everytime I pick it up, my thought is - should have spent another $100 and got something much better.
 

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I carry a ruger LCP II. I love the little pocket rocket. I can go anywhere and no one ever knows its there and its always on me. When im heading out somewhere I always grab my Shield 9 or XDS .45 to take also. Id rather have some knockdown power and use the 380 as a backup.
 

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Its funny how when I am buying or thinking of buying a pistol, I often get recommended to try out a glock. When I say "no thanks, Im not a fan of glocks", I get looked at like I just said something crazy. Nothing against glocks, just not my thing. The grip angle isnt for me, and I prefer DA/SA.

I am considering a CZ for my next gun, I hear good things about the p09, and it has 19+1 capacity.
I agree I am very much a trigger snob and it is damn near impossible to beat a good sa or da/sa trigger. I just don't shoot glocks well the angle doesn't point well for me. I am also not thrilled about the triggers and the trip feel in my hand so there is no reason to retrain my natural point shooting.

My normal carry and first gun I purchased was an HK USP .45 compact. It's has several thousand rounds through it and countless hours of saddle time. It shoots just as good as the day I bought it and is a tack driver.

Only reason I run an M&P in comp is rules require safety on and hammer forward. It has neither so has an advantage.
 

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I bought myself a Beretta 96fs and added a sweet sgs style compensator. Also just bought a extended mag for it and it looks awesome. I've always been a Beretta fan since I saw the matrix.
 
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I know there is going to be a bunch of triggered gun haters for this setup but im loving it. It is also my current conceal carry minus the extended mag of course.
 

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All this talk of what folks carry makes me realize that a 1911 is a fine gun, but not such a great choice for a small frame fella like myself. Need to see if I can find myself something that is more carry friendly for me that I can stand the feel of...
 

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Abe, thats a sweet looking pistol. If you can conceal carry it, props to you.

Te72, its whatever your comfterable with. Even my sub-compact hk is a bit too thick for me to carry at times, my other is a m&p bodygaurd 380 in a N82 holster.
 
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Abe, thats a sweet looking pistol. If you can conceal carry it, props to you.

Te72, its whatever your comfterable with. Even my sub-compact hk is a bit too thick for me to carry at times, my other is a m&p bodygaurd 380 in a N82 holster.
I have been conceal carrying it since I got my conceal license like 5 years ago. Got the compensator a year and a half ago. And no way the conceal the extended mag but 10 rounds are still good.
 

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Te72, its whatever your comfterable with. Even my sub-compact hk is a bit too thick for me to carry at times, my other is a m&p bodygaurd 380 in a N82 holster.
Trouble (if you can call it that) is that I'm fairly skinny. It's difficult to conceal much of anything on me without wearing a jacket. I'll find something eventually, but for now the 1911 suits the need.
 

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Ima pretty skinny guy myself. I carry iwb as it hides it much better but can get uncomfortable at times. My issue is i will have to buy shirts left and right as they tend to shrink after a few washes and ima always tugging down on the shirts to make sure the firearm doesn't show.
 

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Abe, i looked into that type of holster, and tried a rudimentary test to see if the idea would work for me, but trying to get a gun that's nearly an inch wide out from between my body and the pants seemed like it would be rather difficult. Either I wear fairly baggy pants and they don't stay up, or I have to tug at an IWB holster until it comes out. Seems neither graceful nor a great idea, on the surface. How do you get around that?
 

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Abe, i looked into that type of holster, and tried a rudimentary test to see if the idea would work for me, but trying to get a gun that's nearly an inch wide out from between my body and the pants seemed like it would be rather difficult. Either I wear fairly baggy pants and they don't stay up, or I have to tug at an IWB holster until it comes out. Seems neither graceful nor a great idea, on the surface. How do you get around that?
It can be a bit difficult to carry iwb. I am a 32 inch waist but wear a 34 inch waist with a belt. I make sure the belt is tight enough to hold my pants up but not to tight that I can't unholster my firearm. Also I've been using a cloth holster (the ones you can buy from walmart or academy sports and outdoors), when I first bought it it was a tight fit for my Beretta. But after using the holster for a year my beretta actually draws pretty easily. I use to use the versacarry before I added the compensator. Here's the one i used http://www.versacarry.com/inside-the-waistband-holsters/versacarry-holster/
And the awesome thing about this company is they are based right here in texas.

My father carries owb and I find no matter what he wears you can still see a bulge from his firearm. He carries a small 357 kimber revolver. This thing has a 2 inch barrel and looks like a baby next to my Beretta. My older brother also carries a xd 45 iwb. And you can't even tell that my older brother and i even carries. No imprinting at all. But as i said before iwb can get uncomfortable from time to time.
 

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Abe, i looked into that type of holster, and tried a rudimentary test to see if the idea would work for me, but trying to get a gun that's nearly an inch wide out from between my body and the pants seemed like it would be rather difficult. Either I wear fairly baggy pants and they don't stay up, or I have to tug at an IWB holster until it comes out. Seems neither graceful nor a great idea, on the surface. How do you get around that?
I carry a full frame 1911 also, I'm pretty day thin too, 195 @ 6'4. I carry it in a Crossbreed super tuck, IWB @ 4oclock. Super comfortable, and as long as you get a proper belt to hold the weight, it's easy to carry and conceal.
 

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It can be a bit difficult to carry iwb. I am a 32 inch waist but wear a 34 inch waist with a belt. But as i said before iwb can get uncomfortable from time to time.
Hmm, my belt is always on the smallest hole, since I didn't think beyond, "hey this fits on the last hole, it'll work," rather than buying a belt I was in the middle hole on... amusing way of saying I could easily expand on the belt front. However, it's a fairly substantial leather stud belt, around 2" tall and probably a solid 1/2" thick, but I'm sure most holsters would work with it.

The thing I don't understand is how in the hell you would carry IWB and drive? Comfort be damned, I don't even like driving very far with a wallet or phone in any of my pockets...

I carry a full frame 1911 also, I'm pretty day thin too, 195 @ 6'4. I carry it in a Crossbreed super tuck, IWB @ 4oclock. Super comfortable, and as long as you get a proper belt to hold the weight, it's easy to carry and conceal.
Similar build, about 5'8" and 130 lbs. Pretty sure I might be a bird, with hollow bones... Anyway, can you explain the 4oclock thing? As in, straight ahead of you is 12 oclock, 4oclock would be roughly behind your right hip? Or am I missing something?

Again, how would you drive with that 1911 sitting there? I mean, walking around would be easy enough, but that can't be comfortable sitting on a 3lb chunk of metal...
 

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Similar build, about 5'8" and 130 lbs. Pretty sure I might be a bird, with hollow bones... Anyway, can you explain the 4oclock thing? As in, straight ahead of you is 12 oclock, 4oclock would be roughly behind your right hip? Or am I missing something?

Again, how would you drive with that 1911 sitting there? I mean, walking around would be easy enough, but that can't be comfortable sitting on a 3lb chunk of metal...

Yep, front middle is 12oclock, and it just goes around you. 4oclock is a little after my right hip, it's very comfortable there. As for in the car, it comes out and goes into the holster between the center console and driver seat. You really don't want to be driving around with it on you anyways, as if someone comes up to car jack you, your not going to be able to access your firearm, with it being out and right next to your right or left hand (if you stick it in the door side), you've got basically instant access.
 

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The thing I don't understand is how in the hell you would carry IWB and drive? Comfort be damned, I don't even like driving very far with a wallet or a phone in any of my pockets...
Trying living in my shoes. Don't ask me why I do it I just do it. I carry my wallet, phone, three extra mags, my total 8 inch Beretta, my 4 inch blade fixed knife, and my abundance amount of keys on a daily bases. And yes driving with all that is a bit annoying and a pain in my hip.

With all that my watch, hat, and clothes on I'm carrying well around 15 to 20 lbs extra
 

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Speaking of firearms i also have a dpms ar10, io ak47, and a century arms c93.

Word of advice, never buy the century arms c93. Full pos's, never rejects casing properly, double feeds constantly. It was a new gun. I think they screwed up on the recoil spring. Seems tight as hell to me.
 

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Yep, front middle is 12oclock, and it just goes around you. 4oclock is a little after my right hip, it's very comfortable there. As for in the car, it comes out and goes into the holster between the center console and driver seat. You really don't want to be driving around with it on you anyways, as if someone comes up to car jack you, your not going to be able to access your firearm, with it being out and right next to your right or left hand (if you stick it in the door side), you've got basically instant access.
Thanks for the explanation. Not terribly worried about being car-jacked where I live (there's more guns than people here, no joke), but quick access is definitely a good deterrent. Door pockets on the Mk3 just aren't a great spot because they're thin and the opening is fairly short. Mounted between the console and seat is a decent place, yep.

Trying living in my shoes. Don't ask me why I do it I just do it. I carry my wallet, phone, three extra mags, my total 8 inch Beretta, my 4 inch blade fixed knife, and my abundance amount of keys on a daily bases. And yes driving with all that is a bit annoying and a pain in my hip.

With all that my watch, hat, and clothes on I'm carrying well around 15 to 20 lbs extra
Oof. Maybe I'm just getting old, but sitting on a pile of metal like that just sounds unpleasant haha. Nothing wrong with being prepared though, and given where you live, worth it I'd say.
 

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I carry full size 1911 IWB everyday too. Springfield Armory is on the do not buy list. Unless somebody can show otherwise.

[video=youtube;h0zMCG4auig]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0zMCG4auig&t=179s[/video]

Springfield has a video with an apology from family member that is the head of the company. And anybody with children who knows what crocodile tears are will recognize what I saw. He did not seem to be honest. To me, he got caught. Which sucks. I have 2 M4s from Rock River and a 1911 from SA.