The Complete Piggyback Comparison

drjonez

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whenever i get around to it....

MAFT
MAFT gen 2
MAFT pro

MAP ECU
MAP ECU v2

AFC
SAFC
SAFC II
SAFC Neo

eman
eman ultimate

VPC
GCC
FCON
SAFR
 

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yeah, coming from my head......and obviously based on the applicable spec sheets, etc.
 

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has the neo been posted elsewhere and i just missed it?? I been looking for a bit now and cant find wiring for a neo to my 7mgte. Any help is always welcome. Thanks all
 

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i have a avcr and a e-manage blue. i have installed the avcr and its pretty sweet but i dont know if i want to use the emanage or go with a safc. what would you do?
 
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What are the chances that you can incorporate the AEM F/IC. I picked one up and from what I can see it is a very good device; very close to the EMS. I like how the way it manages fuel is by intercepting the duty cycle to the individual injectors rather than changing the map signal. When changing the map signal you change the timing and therefore have to compensate.

So chances? Maybe?
 

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This sure is of big interest.
Of course if we don't all buy EMSs 'till the info will be available.
A sugestion. Why don't you post the info about one piggyback at the time it is available to you, then you can sumarize/organize it all.
It sure would help us.
Thank you for doing this for the comunity!
 

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I have an AFCII on my wife's car, but I just bought another car (for parts) and it has an AFC Neo on it. Does anyone on here know the difference. I looked it up on the Apexi site, but it doesn't really tell me what the Neo will do that the afc can't. I was hoping the information would be in this thread, but it's not. I'm going to continue researching it , but if anyone has anything to add on this subject, please do. Thanks.
 

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I have an AFCII on my wife's car, but I just bought another car (for parts) and it has an AFC Neo on it. Does anyone on here know the difference. I looked it up on the Apexi site, but it doesn't really tell me what the Neo will do that the afc can't. I was hoping the information would be in this thread, but it's not. I'm going to continue researching it , but if anyone has anything to add on this subject, please do. Thanks.
it's the same but dont have the knock detecting, but it has vtec controller built in and it's in color, pretty much the same as safc2
 

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So... Since my previous post got deleted....is there any actual info on this sticky?
Why don't YOU write some rather than complaining about it? It's always easy to complain when you're not handed something, the difficult thing is to help out when you see a need.
 

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Doc im not complaining, i was just browsing the forums and came across this "sticky" .

And i figured id read on to learn a little, but i see nothing.. just wonderig why it was a sticky if there is no info in it thats all.
 

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lol, I agree. I checked it out this AM, no info....I am doing an HKS VPC/SAFC combo and am trying to gather information. But hopefully it will fill up with info soon.
 

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This thread is a GREAT idea, but it hasn't been a reality yet. I'm going to do a bit of research on various piggyback systems shortly and I can post up my findings here. Problem is that I KNOW I will miss key points and my info will need some review and additions.

At least it'd be a start though.
 

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Not to jump down throats, but given the amount of different types of Piggy Backs; I'm sure it takes a LOT of research to do a concise comparison.

Me thinks we should let these guys keep plugging away with out getting on their cases as just taking this project on would seem it takes a lot of work.

Wish I could offer a hand, but I don't know much about them. However, will greatly appreciate this tool when completed. 'Cause to be honest: Yeah, I'd love to know pros and cons, but I'm looking into what others have done and trying to gather info that way until this is completed.

Can't wait to see when it's done!
 
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Emanage Blue UPDATE !!!

Using info from another thread about the Apexi SAFC/Neo:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46955&d=1290357997

..and the diagram I already had for the emanage...

Emanage diagram:



...I have finally had some success with my emanage blue installation !!! Wiring for the ecu pinout is same as shown in the pdf, only difference is the emanage wires
are different color than what is on the Apexi unit. So using the two diagrams and connecting each wire 1 at-a-time, I was finally able to get my car to do more than idle with the red light
error code 13. It now idles with green light , and takes throttle, and compensates for my hks bov venting with the anti stall set at stock rpm @650. Progress right ?
It is in my book. The emanage does red light back to error code 13, but only after WOT...weird. I will say this, throttle response difference is HUGE ! My first initial drive with the
emanage finally up and running with a green light was quite inspirational. I laid twin trails of rubber in front of my house, at half throttle. Now as far as the error code 13, this
dictates incorrect wiring, or wrong jumper settings. I have checked both of course so I will be able to tell more once I find out why it is still throwing the code. I still need a dyno
tune, but I was able to set basic afr values with the support tool. Car still runs rich under boost, but not as much and I am no tuner by any means. I just changed the values enough
to make sure the emanage was making correctings, and I just monitored my wideband and noticed the not-as-rich readings.



The first link above should be a downloadable pdf for the Apexi SAFC/Neo. I am working on what my harness looks like using these 2 diagrams, so just bear with me and I will post up
what I have gotten to work so far.
 
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Here is what I got, just remember the KS wire is the one you intercept and splice for the AFM signal. Follow this and your good to go.



Hope this helps the emanage blue guys out !