Rude Awakening for Bush Supporters.

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Cool, A new political forum.... Nice addition and a good idea in my opinion..

http://www.ctnow.com/custom/nmm/newhavenadvocate/hce-nha-1123-nh48bushbash48.artnov23,0,1695911.story

It's a few weeks old but it's very funny.. (well worth the read) :biglaugh:

Bush Nuts


Are George W. Bush lovers certifiable?
November 23, 2006
By Andy Bromage

A collective “I told you so” will ripple through the world of Bush-bashers once news of Christopher Lohse’s study gets out.

Lohse, a social work master’s student at Southern Connecticut State University, says he has proven what many progressives have probably suspected for years: a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush.

Lohse says his study is no joke. The thesis draws on a survey of 69 psychiatric outpatients in three Connecticut locations during the 2004 presidential election. Lohse’s study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person’s psychosis and their preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.

But before you go thinking all your conservative friends are psychotic, listen to Lohse’s explanation.

“Our study shows that psychotic patients prefer an authoritative leader,” Lohse says. “If your world is very mixed up, there’s something very comforting about someone telling you, ‘This is how it’s going to be.’”

The study was an advocacy project of sorts, designed to register mentally ill voters and encourage them to go to the polls, Lohse explains. The Bush trend was revealed later on.

The study used Modified General Assessment Functioning, or MGAF, a 100-point scale that measures the functioning of disabled patients. A second scale, developed by Rakfeldt, was also used. Knowledge of current issues, government and politics were assessed on a 12-item scale devised by the study authors.

“Bush supporters had significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry,” the study says.

Lohse says the trend isn’t unique to Bush: A 1977 study by Frumkin & Ibrahim found psychiatric patients preferred Nixon over McGovern in the 1972 election.

Rakfeldt says the study was legitimate, though not intended to show what it did.

“Yes it was a legitimate study but these data were mined after the fact,” Rakfeldt says. “You can ask new questions of the data. I haven’t looked at” Lohse’s conclusions regarding Bush, Rakfeldt says.

“That doesn’t make it illegitimate, it just wasn’t part of the original project.”

For his part, Lohse is a self-described “Reagan revolution fanatic” but said that W. is just “beyond the pale.”

More on the subject of his study...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=Christopher+Lohse’s+study&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw
 

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Wow! A study of 69 crazy people. That's a MASSIVE sampling pool. This is the most credible study I've seen in a long time.
 

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Wow! A study of 69 crazy people. That's a MASSIVE sampling pool. This is the most credible study I've seen in a long time.
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Wow! A study of 69 crazy people. That's a MASSIVE sampling pool. This is the most credible study I've seen in a long time.
LOL...It's a study of crazy people and how they think.

How many crazy people would need to be studied to make a credible study of crazy people?
 

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Wow! A study of 69 crazy people. That's a MASSIVE sampling pool. This is the most credible study I've seen in a long time.
haha. i knew they guy with .45 as his sig and the back of a shell casing for his avatar would have something to say about this. But dont get me wrong, Im totally with ya. This study doesn't really prove anything except that 69 crazy people are crazy. haha. There may be a very, very small piece of reasonable findings in the study, but really it just looks like a crazy democratic research student trying to prove a point.
 

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Democrats are crazy? Were not the ones blindly following some disallusioned cowboy in the White House are we?!
 
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all the study showed was that people in a weakened mental state prefer an authoritarian leader.

We don't know how the choices were presented, and therefore the study results hold no clout at all...

69 people...thats about as scientific as me counting my farts to determine which horse to bet on.
 

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69 people...thats about as scientific as me counting my farts to determine which horse to bet on.
There's no way you can do that, you don't have that many fingers and toes!

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This post proves some people will continue to grasp at anything to display their hate of the current administration. (Even using crazy studies no sane person would even consider valid as their proof.)

It is a sad state of affairs for sure.
 

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haha. i knew they guy with .45 as his sig and the back of a shell casing for his avatar would have something to say about this. But dont get me wrong, Im totally with ya. This study doesn't really prove anything except that 69 crazy people are crazy. haha. There may be a very, very small piece of reasonable findings in the study, but really it just looks like a crazy democratic research student trying to prove a point.

It's a 45 with a 10mm conversion barrel, so it's actualy a 10mm.

With a sampling pool of 69, no reasonable findings what so ever can be determined from this study. That's basic statistics.
 
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There's no way you can do that, you don't have that many fingers and toes!

Moderators... :icon_roll


j/k
...not cool.



i don't fart that much....





all the time
 

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This is about as crazy as the theory that there are more conservative talk radio hosts because conservatives drive to work in the morning while liberals stay at home and watch tv and not work.
 
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there are more conservative talk radio hosts because more people listen to them...that's how ratings/advertising money/etc works..you play what people want to listen to...advertisers pay more money for the more listened to radio stations...and so on and so forth.

there is nothing crazy about capitalism at work in the Broadcasting of american radio stations
 

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I'm not arguing about how market work, I'm talking about the idea that more conservatives drive to work in the morning than liberals, and that's why there are more conservative talk show hosts.
 

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I'm not arguing about how market work, I'm talking about the idea that more conservatives drive to work in the morning than liberals, and that's why there are more conservative talk show hosts.
I don' think the difference is that dramatic.

What I bet you will find is more affluent people want to listen to a conservative (Rush) or libertarian (Boortz) talk show host than want to listen to iberal bedwetters (the entire Air America crew).

Simply put, the mindset that wants to vote Democrat is the entitlement mindset. It's people who not only want, but expect government to do things for them. And when you are the kind of person who expects others to do things for you, you tend to lack the motivation that the rest of us have. And you just aren't worth it for a high end advertiser to bother with. There's simply more money in conservativsim and libertarianisim. Lots and lots of liberals are driving to work. But (generally, not all) they just aren't making as much money.

Am I an asshole for saying that? Hell yea.

Is it true? Hell yea.
 

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jakk rakfeldt, and misty ginacola.... :rofl:

god do i have a dirty mind, or what?
 

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Joel, buddy, this more hurts your position than helps it.
The study was to see about psychos' mindsets towards authoritative leadership.

-They found they preferred more authoritative leadership. (Held true w/ more than one election & study)
-Bush is more authoritative than Kerry (no der...so is my bichon puppy...Flip-flop, flip-flop).
-Thus, more psycho's like Bush because he is authoritative.

The converse is not always true. Do more normal people like weak leaders? That would be interesting. If you can't prove that, then you can not say across the board that if you like Bush, you're more 'psycho'.

This is the funniest thing I've read today. Thanks for the laugh, Joel!
 

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Chad, friend, I beg to differ with you.... I have no position other than to say that it was very funny and now you say that it is the funniest thing you have read today, my position is supported by your statement.. Thanks and your welcome... ;)

This was my favorite part...

“Bush supporters had significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry,” the study says.

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Do more normal people like weak leaders?
If you call leaders that are not hell bent on global domination weak, then I would agree with that.
 
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^ I know you never expressly said you did, but I just assumed from your other political posts you probably agreed with it. If you recognize the guy is nits and just thinks its a pretty funny read, cool, we're on the same page. If you DO actually agree w/ this and think its valid research (and I'm sure there are some who do), then, well, I have nothing else besides what I wrote above, and that there's no point going further.

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“Bush supporters had significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry,” the study says.
They're psychos.......and apparently the ones who like Bush were even more psycho. Nice. Whether or not you're trying to extrapolate it to represent the base of the Repub. party, I'm sure the people publishing this are, and I think thats hilarious.

And I would hardly say Bush is set on global domination. Perhaps he may have a bit of a chip on his shoulder to finish the war his dad had started, but I would definitely say that's NOT the main reason we're out there. And, oh, don't forget, the majority of the country supported the Iraq war, as did Congress. If people like Kerry et al in Congress hadn't VOTED for the war, we wouldn't be there. And we HAVE found WMD's there. The liberal-dominated media just downplays and spins it to make it appear that we are making much less progress and impact than we are.
 

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the majority of the country supported the Iraq war, as did Congress.
I do not argue with you on this point but the difference here is that we all were lied to and the facts that were used to gain our support for this war were based on half truths or just plain lies in my book.

Saddam had WMD's (yes, he did have them 15 years ago when we sold them the tools to make them)

Saddam was a threat to our way of life (he was no threat to us here except he would not play ball as it pertained to oil and opec and he had no ties to UBL)

Saddam was connected to terrorism and 9/11.. (this was just a lie)

Then when you find out that we were actually attacked by Syria and Pakistan yet we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan it makes me wonder why we are there.

You call it flip flopping on the issues and I call it fact finding combined with new information (the truth) to change our position...(see my sig)

Even now most people realize we were misled into war and the bushies refuse to change course despite what congress and the people think.

Right now, he is getting ready to send more troops to their deaths and if that is not bad enough he is starting shit in Iran and North Korea. Did you hear the other day they demanded Iran to prove that they do not have nuke weapons..

I ask you now, how can you prove that something does not exist? It is impossible to prove a negative....

They are using the same type of lies to get us into Iran that they used to get us into Iraq..

Bush said:
If your not with us, your against us.
Sounds like global domination to me...

Edit:

Here are some quotes from Scott Ritter, a former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq. His new book is "Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change."

Scott Ritter said:
And if you can’t confront it successfully diplomatically, that leaves only the military option on the table. And right now, that’s the direction we’re heading, because the debate’s over, apparently, about whether or not Iran has a nuclear weapons program, even though the IAEA has come out and said there’s no evidence whatsoever to sustain the Bush administration's allegations that such a weapons program exists. Note, I didn’t say that the IAEA said there is no such weapons program -- they can’t prove that.

But note that the Bush administration has taken this and now changed course, like they did with Iraq. Saddam said, “We don’t have any weapons. The inspectors aren’t finding any weapons. Keep looking.” Why? Because the onus isn’t on the inspectors to find the weapons. The onus is on Iraq to prove that none exist. But how can you prove a negative? The same thing is in play today with Iran. We have told the Iranians it is their responsibility to prove to the international community beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran. How can you prove a negative?

But that’s not the point, because it’s not about a nuclear weapons program. It’s about regime change and the Bush administration using the perception of threat from a nuclear weapons program to achieve their ultimate objective of regional transformation, which is, again, a policy born more in Tel Aviv than Washington, D.C.
 
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Who cares?

We are there, so deal with it.

Run away now, and let your grandkids deal with it? (Nice option there Joel.) Pass the buck.

Bush has two more years left, and with the state of politics in this country, I doubt much will be done on either side of the spectrum.

What a win for everyone.. NOT.
 

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Normally, I would ignor you Adjuster but you refered to me by name so here we go. There is no victory in staying the course in Iraq. We are only adding to the problem by pissing them off even more. I read your hitler like plan in CTsupras sig and I am afraid your plan will ensure the death of us all.

We created this mess and the only way to fix it is to force the Iraqis to stand up for themselves without us. We are making it worse for them by being there. But I don't expect you to see the answer here even if it is clear as day like man made global warming. . I know you too well... :(
 

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Simply put, the mindset that wants to vote Democrat is the entitlement mindset. It's people who not only want, but expect government to do things for them.
These are the same people that want distribution of wealth... The slow decay and tear down of socialism for the "equality and security" of socialism...

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This was my favorite part...

“Bush supporters had significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry,” the study says.
Your favorite part is ridiculous... That "QUOTE" is implying that ALL Bush supporters were/are ignorant to current issues and ALL Kerry supporters weren't... That in itself is completely asinine...
 

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We are making it worse for them by being there. :(
I know, and if we werent there, Iraq would be a paradise right? Its OUR fault that Iraq is a cesspool right? Because that place was a resort destination before the evil American regime rolled in to town... "*"
 

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Your favorite part is ridiculous... That "QUOTE" is implying that ALL Bush supporters .. That in itself is completely asinine...
No it is not implying that Jake... It is implying that all CRAZY bush supporters were/are ignorant to current issues and all CRAZY Kerry supporters weren't.

I know, and if we werent there, Iraq would be a paradise right? Its OUR fault that Iraq is a cesspool right? Because that place was a resort destination before the evil American regime rolled in to town... "*"
I never said it was a paradise? Please do not put words into my mouth. The simple fact is that two wrongs do not make a right. Some reports say that 1 in 40 Iraqis have been killed since our invasion. That is about 650,000 civilians killed because of some bad information also known as lies.
 

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No it is not implying that Jake... It is implying that all CRAZY bush supporters were/are ignorant to current issues and all CRAZY Kerry supporters weren't.
I find this entire thread laughable. Why do you give a shit what CRAZY people believe in, care about, understand, etc?

They are CRAZY you idiots...
 

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Why do you give a shit what CRAZY people believe in, care about, understand, etc?
Because I believe wether it's 69 crazy people or 6.9 billion crazy people, the results of that study would be the same on how those particular crazy people think or don't think.

I just thought it was funny as hell and it also helps explain some of my current questions about the un-questioning, un-waivering core conservative Bush supporters here. :evil2:
 

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No it is not implying that Jake... It is implying that all CRAZY bush supporters were/are ignorant to current issues and all CRAZY Kerry supporters weren't.
No. It said that in a sample pool of 69 people, the craziest were abit less informed than those slightly less crazy. Do you truly not understand statistics at all? A sampling pool of 69 is completely and totally worthless. The only reason this was in the news was because someone thought it could catch a few eyes by saying “crazy people like bush.” Anyone with even two firing synapses would have immediately seen it for what it was and purged it from their brain. But no, here we are a week later and you’re still trying to quote from the study…


Personally I just think it's sad that anyone could actually be hoodwinked into believing that a sample pool of 69 things relating to anything; holds even a shred a validity. I mean shit. I'll trade you my 69 pennies for your one ten dollar bill. Obviously those 69 pennies carry a deluge of worth with them.


And folks seriously wonder why the African Princes that want you to hold their money, works on so many people...
 

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No. It said that in a sample pool of 69 people, the craziest were abit less informed than those slightly less crazy. Do you truly not understand statistics at all? A sampling pool of 69 is completely and totally worthless. The only reason this was in the news was because someone thought it could catch a few eyes by saying “crazy people like bush.” Anyone with even two firing synapses would have immediately seen it for what it was and purged it from their brain. But no, here we are a week later and you’re still trying to quote from the study…
Ummm, I think I understand better than you do... Jake said it implied that all bush supporters were misinformed and I disagreed with him saying that it implied that all (I should have said most) crazy people are misinformed...Now you are disagreeing with me about that? I admit it is just a study one that has been done before with the same results....



Personally I just think it's sad that anyone could actually be hoodwinked into believing that a sample pool of 69 things relating to anything; holds even a shred a validity. I mean shit. I'll trade you my 69 pennies for your one ten dollar bill. Obviously those 69 pennies carry a deluge of worth with them.
I have already explained my opinions of the study to you.. I thank you for your opinions.
 

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Ummm, I think I understand better than you do...
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Obviously not, as per:
Because I believe wether it's 69 crazy people or 6.9 billion crazy people, the results of that study would be the same on how those particular crazy people think or don't think
If you don't have a background in calculus a really basic intro to simple statistics can be had with Elementary Statistics: Picturing the World (Larson/Farber). I would have thought this was something most people were exposed to back in high school. Apparently not, given the existance of this thread...

Once you finish that book I can recommend some higher level stuff. But it may take awhile for you to catch up as it requires understanding of calculus concepts.

It's well worth looking into, as it will keep you from making threads like this.
 

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I posted the thread, as I have stated because it was funny to me and I thought you all might want a good laugh...

The fact that you all have your panties in a bunch over it is all the justification I need for this thread.

What I believe or do not believe about this study is irrelevant now.
 

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I would have said exactly the same thing had the survey said Kerry supporters were crazy. In fact, I did say the same thing (on SF) about 2 years back when some tard came up with a theory that people supporting Kerry were nutbags.

The bottum line is YOU posted a link to a study anyone should have seen through. YOU are the one that has repeatedly said you liked several aspect of said study that my dog Crunch could tell smelled like shit. YOU are the only one that has found anything of value in that pile of horse crap.

Sorry, but it's not some vast conspiracy of Bush supporters getting their panties wadded. Hell, I didn't vote for Bush at all. What it IS, is folks seeing shit for what it is; shit. Don't complain that other folks don't like the stink of it, while you revel in it.
 

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No offense was meant by it Outofstep, I knew going in we could find it funny for very different reasons. That is ok by me...;)