morganson's COP S-Type setup

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.....OK...So bear with me..I have a couple of questions. What are you referring to as 'dummy coils'? Since this setup was designed in mind for the factory igniter is there any suggestion or has anyone figured out exactly what igniter to use with a standalone? Prior to seeing this set-up I was going to run the IS300 setup, foremost because the multiplex ignition issue is preventing me from getting a proper tune. Idle at time jumps all over the place. I actually have everything for that setup, but then I came across the 1ZZ setup and thought I was in love plus it elimnates the need for an igniter. This set-up however looks even better to me but I need to be practical. I know we all love this set-up but I need a few folks to try and give me their honest unbiased opinion on which set-up would be better for my application. Again, I'm running the AEM, FFIM and a T66 Turbo, 750 cc injectors ect. Also if I did run this setup I would go with aftermarket coils, is there a size I should get. Otherwise I would run the DG500 coils to start and just work my way up but I dont want to spend anymore than I need to.
'Smart coils' have the igniter built in, like the 1ZZ coils while 'dumb coils' do not.

If what sheedy126 is saying is true, this DG500 setup will cause spark blowout around 15 psi. This isn't actually the fault of the coil, but the igniter isn't providing the correct charging time for the coils. So, while this setup looks amazing, it isn't the right choice for a high hp build like yours. If I were you I would sooner go with the 1ZZ setup.
 

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Im getting untangled here with some work and curious if there is still interest in these so I can get a count and an estimated time frame for getting them done.
 

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Whats your time frame? I have interest in one more but at the price point Im at I need to make like 6 or more

If the price was slightly higher for a single plate would that be OK?
 

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im okay with that . let me know the paypal info.just curious would you be able to cut slots like supraguy@aol did into the plate i would like to run my wires under the plate for a tucked look. i can modify the drawing file if you have the .dxf file or dwg. thanks
 

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This setup is amazing for a stock turbo setup, or even a big turbo running lower boost levels.

From what I've read and understood the stock igniter couldn't charge the dg500 coils enough at higher boost levels. I was working on running the ds61 upgraded igniter but gave up shortly after

Iirc there's a plug and play ds61 igniter for sale for who may want to try it with this setup and see if you can get more boost
 

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Minor update. I got a few of these cut today. I need a few days to get them cleaned up and ready to ship
 

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I have these just about all cleaned up. Does anyone have a dimension on the length of the stainless tubes?
 

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So what's the current report on people running this? Anyone having major issues? I have yet to install my setup, got bigger fish to fry right now lol.
 

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The only complaint I have heard so far is a breakup at 15+ psi. However this is a problem with the ignitor not the coil setup. I have a customer that is going to be running with an hks dli so I will keep tabs on that. I have figured out how to use a msd dis 4 (in theory) to run wasted spark but its more expensive than the hks unit. As for the two units I have both are still running without a problem at 14psi one on a ct26-57 the other on a built t4 setup with hks intake.
 

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If anyone has any real info on the use of a dh61 or ds61 igniter on stock ecu- please post it.
 

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Ah ok. That should be ok with me since I don't plan on going past 14 since that's where stock fuel cut is set to. I definitely have plans on replacing my ignitor when I can. I heard someone on SM is working on an upgrade for us, but I also plan on going standalone and maybe getting rid of that entirely.
 

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Hey.....shouldn't I be able to use the 1zzz coils on this plate? I don't see why I shouldn't. I do have a ffim so height of the coils shouldn't be an issue. Can you confirm?
 

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Hey.....shouldn't I be able to use the 1zzz coils on this plate? I don't see why I shouldn't. I do have a ffim so height of the coils shouldn't be an issue. Can you confirm?
1zz. Coils are totally different. The only thing you could use is the coil spacing. The bolt holes wont line up either. However, if you are ffim then accel and msd make a great upgraded coil that fits right in the hole. Its just got an angled plug.
 

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Hey Morganson....Actually I have been in contact with Albert via PM. We agreed on a price to make the plate since we both knew it would cost more to make just the one. On July 16th he responded to me, and I quote ' I'm making your bracket as we speak. Just got the hardware and the tubing in. Will get the stand offs made and hopefully by the end of the week I can send you a bracket.' That said I sent him half the money via Paypal the very next day on the 17th. Since then I've sent him three IMs asking for confirmation of receipt of the money I sent and inquiring as to the status of the plate. To date not a word....I am the last person that would ever want to put anyone on blast on this forum/site but this is rediculous. I've followed many of his blogs and this just does not seem consistent with his persona. I know he would not risk his reputation on the price of one plate especially since his workmanship speaks volumns. Still I'm trying to be patient and hang in there for about a month. After that I guess I will not have a choice but to go buck wild. I'm giving him the month because who knows.....maybe there is a true emergency on the homefront that trumps everything. I would hate to be acting the fool when we all know this passion of ours is our 'side thing' and like I said he could be going through some real 'stuff'.
 

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i installed setup but cant get my timing light to strobe off of the two wires going to sparkplug 1 ? do i need a better timing light? what do i do i need to time my car ..
thanks
 

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If anyone is interested in a plate please pm me. I won't be checking back as often as I'm getting ready to start a 240Z/LQ4 twin turbo project
 

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So has anyone tried fitting a 24v electrical feed to their ignition?
For alot of those complaining about 15psi problems, thats fuel cut. Im running maft (1st gen) and 550cc inj. Hit fuel cut at 15psi
 

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So has anyone tried fitting a 24v electrical feed to their ignition?
For alot of those complaining about 15psi problems, thats fuel cut. Im running maft (1st gen) and 550cc inj. Hit fuel cut at 15psi
I think an ease way would be a step up dc to dc convertor 12v to 18v or 20v to feed the coils should give a little hotter spark I haven't tested tho
 

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So has anyone tried fitting a 24v electrical feed to their ignition?
For alot of those complaining about 15psi problems, thats fuel cut. Im running maft (1st gen) and 550cc inj. Hit fuel cut at 15psi
I'm pretty sure that the problem people have been having is spark breakup, which(to me) feels like losing a cylinder or two/ sputtering.
Fuel cut is like driving over a parking block at 40mph.